Taking Sides: Ege Bamyasi or Tago Mago?

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Fairly self-explanatory.

Jake Becker, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

confession... circus bells hardfloor remix on right now, no foolin. my roommate wistfully recollecting acid basslines of her youth... i too remember EGE BAM YASI in the queen margaret union at glasgae uni and he really did put on quite a show, he WORKED it till his bald heat wuz sweatin all over the damn keyboards, twisting a knob perhaps 1 mm and sending all of us over. does he have a story now?

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

It's gotta be Ege Bamyasi for me - found it new in a cheapo bin at my local suburban record store (this was the only 'weird' album they had in the place) and could hardly wait to get it home and play it. And I've continued to do so every month or so from then on - I now know it like the back of my hand. Tago Mago is great as well but lets down the fantastic first LP with the less interesting 2nd. I like the Can on the front cover of Ege as well - so that just proves it's better.

philT, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Wellll, both are not my favorite Can albums. Future Days is far better, more expansive, better tunes, etc. But okay, not to be killjoy I'll go with Ege Bamyasi. The second disc (or half in cd-terms) of Tago Mago just doesn't do it for me most of the time. AAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHMMMMMMMM. Fuck off hippie!

Omar, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Omar is, as Pinefox would put it, 'on the money'.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I kind of mentally lean towards Ege Bamyasi

But I listen more to Tago Mago

Actually I don't really listen to anything much except Monster Movie these days because it's all on tape and I can't find most of it. Need some Can CDs.

I've just remembered that thread I said I was going to start on Friday night now!

Tom, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

one year passes...
tago mago..hands down

DarrenS, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ege Bamyasi. Tago is amazing -- just over half the time. "Peking O" is not my fave Can mode.

dleone, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I also would say Ege Bamyasi, the trimmer and more consistent album. Though I prefer Future Days to both of 'em.

Joe, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yep, Ege Bamyasi all the way, although if Tago Mago was a single LP, with just the first LP's tracks then I would probably prefer Tago Mago. Funny that and quite illogical, but the second lp really has a negative impact to me

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

nine months pass...
ege bamyasi

jed nacks, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Man! I'll take both.

s samson, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

No contest, it has to be "Ege Bamyasi". Having said that, "Tago Mago" contains two of my favourite Cantrax: "Mushroom" and "Oh Yeah"; unfortunately it contains two of my least favourite: "Aumgn" and "Peking O" (mind you, "Ege Bamyasi" has "Soup" and that's shit too). Anyway, "Halleluwah" is too long, "Paperhouse" has too many fucking guitars on it and "Bring Me Coffee or Tea" is just an insipid and incontinent precursor to the utterly exqusite "Sing Swan Song" on "Bamyasi". The really good thing about "Bamyasi" is that it's basically an extremely high-class pop album and has no Prog Rock elements whatsoever...

Dadaismus, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Tago Mago' because it's longer.

dave q, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah what i was gonna say

duane, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 22:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

And then, along comes the dark horse, "Future Days", which was their only listenable album, after all...

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 22:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Future Days. but of the two, i find myself listening to Tago Mago more frequently. Good thread, though....

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 6 March 2003 02:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Aaaaaaaaaarrrrggghh. What is the big fucking deal with "Future Days"? OK the title track and "Moonshake" are great but "Spray" is just aimless and pedestrian and "Bel Air" is basically a prog rock track and no way were Can ever a prog rock band.

Dadaismus, Thursday, 6 March 2003 15:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

it may be prog rock, but that doesn't mean it's not good

oops (Oops), Thursday, 6 March 2003 15:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes it does!

Dadaismus, Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

b-b-b-but how come I like it?

oops (Oops), Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Because you're a prog rock fan dummy - when you getting the new Rick Wakeman album? ;)

Dadaismus, Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Bel Air" is basically a prog rock track and no way were Can ever a prog rock band.

There you have the answer. Yes, that's why "Future Days" is better. Because it was more prog.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

...or worse as the case may be

Dadaismus, Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually, as I see it, "Bel Air" was a runthrough for the drastically better "Chain Reaction/Quantum Physics" from Soon Over.

dleone (dleone), Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Because you're a prog rock fan dummy - when you getting the new Rick Wakeman album? ;)

ewwww...My cd collection laughs at you--me hate prog rock, never even heard of Mr. Wakeman

oops (Oops), Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Try him, you'll love him

Dadaismus, Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

eight months pass...
the main thing is the music itself-never worry about various petty labels, as it impedes one from just appreciating MUSIC. jAMES bROWN WAS ALWAYS A BIG INFUENCE ON CAN, AS WAS LEE PERRY!!! Just enjoy the music!!!

george willis, Tuesday, 25 November 2003 07:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Delay 1968"!

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 07:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tago Mago

I heard it first, and it blow my mind.

Debito (Debito), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 09:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
mushrooms or acid...? all deepends...

nomad, Friday, 5 May 2006 11:43 (eighteen years ago) link

when I saw mushroom head I was born and I was

lil' merzbow wow (haitch), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Both sound very similar for me. I pick "Future Days" over both.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 5 May 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

YOU'RE JUST A FUCKING ROBOT, GEIR. WE HEARD YOU THE FIRST 5 BILLION TIMES

jäxøñ (jaxon), Friday, 5 May 2006 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh my god, I just knew there was some netherworld or other where we had to endure the trial of pitting these two albums against one another. There is no justice in this world if one is required to state a preference. I'm sorry. I will not choose. There is no way I am going to say one is better than the other. Nope, not me. Never. Forget it. NO WAY.

honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Saturday, 6 May 2006 07:57 (eighteen years ago) link

hmmm, simply for the change between paperhouse and mushroom head I'll go with tago mago. that is after all my favourite moment on any record ever.

simon 803 (simon 803), Saturday, 6 May 2006 08:24 (eighteen years ago) link

tago mago; bigger is better.

electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Saturday, 6 May 2006 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Ege Bamyasi is more consistent, but Tago Mago hits higher peaks and I listen to it much more, so it has to win (and it looks like lots of people on this thread agree with these comments - but, uh, Future Days? Good, but doesn't stand a chance against either of them).

emil.y (emil.y), Saturday, 6 May 2006 13:45 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

budget-priced cd rereleases are coming out soon. still cheaper on amazonmp3.

http://www.amazon.com/Tago-Mago-Ri-Can/dp/B0011WMHRK
http://www.amazon.com/Tago-Mago/dp/B000T08AX0
etc.

(can't find general can threads)

abanana, Sunday, 17 February 2008 21:24 (sixteen years ago) link

TAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGOTAGOMAGO

I know, right?, Sunday, 17 February 2008 21:25 (sixteen years ago) link

I know, right? OTM

sonderangerbot, Sunday, 17 February 2008 21:39 (sixteen years ago) link

It's a close call, but maybe out of bias, Tago Mago. Start to finish it's just great, and the latter half of the album contains some of the most rewarding stuff this band has done, contrary to claims. Future Days is also quite fantastic, but as I remember, a limp dick by comparison. I should dig that one out again, it's been quite a while to be honest.

I STILL DON'T HAVE MONSTER MOVIE O_O

RabiesAngentleman, Monday, 18 February 2008 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Side note, years ago an old girlfriend and I were making out to Tago Mago and there were moments we simply had to stop because we were so distracted by Damo. Really laughing.

RabiesAngentleman, Monday, 18 February 2008 00:13 (sixteen years ago) link

tago mago 4ever

latebloomer, Monday, 18 February 2008 00:27 (sixteen years ago) link

making out to Can is funny.

circa1916, Monday, 18 February 2008 00:47 (sixteen years ago) link

TM

W4LTER, Monday, 18 February 2008 00:54 (sixteen years ago) link

EB, without question.

nerve_pylon, Monday, 18 February 2008 01:53 (sixteen years ago) link

I remember Dominique Leone writing Future Days was making out music, and that makes some sense, but Tago Mago? Thas is just weird

sonderangerbot, Monday, 18 February 2008 01:59 (sixteen years ago) link

but Tago Mago? Thas is just weird
Yer tellin' me.

RabiesAngentleman, Monday, 18 February 2008 03:37 (sixteen years ago) link

boy i wasnt even in college when i asked this question!!!!!!!!! i posted this even before i had my first freakout on weed!!!!! DAMN!!!!!!!!!!! i feel fucking old now, may 1 2001 christ

tago mago btw

uptown churl, Monday, 18 February 2008 04:01 (sixteen years ago) link

BAM YASI GONNA BEET YO ASS

Bimble, Monday, 18 February 2008 04:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Ege Bamyasi is playing right now. because of this thread, but I play it often. it pretty much rules over most albums.

nicky lo-fi, Monday, 18 February 2008 11:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Ege Bamyasi. You Tago Mago-ists are crazy.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 February 2008 12:00 (sixteen years ago) link

i'd have said ege bamyasi a few years ago but i'm firmly in tago mago's corner now.

resolved, Monday, 18 February 2008 13:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Tago Mago fo' life

rizzx, Monday, 18 February 2008 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link

One of the first times I made out with my girlfriend I put on Future Days. She thought it was weird, but it sounded great.

jaymc, Monday, 18 February 2008 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Always Tago Mago.

Michael F Gill, Monday, 18 February 2008 16:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Ege Bamyasi. But Monster Movie (by "The Can") kills 'em both.

Standing In The Shadows Of Bob, Monday, 18 February 2008 18:27 (sixteen years ago) link

making out to Future Days = achieve much hard one after the break

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 18 February 2008 18:33 (sixteen years ago) link

just one?

kenan, Monday, 18 February 2008 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link

tago mago.

haitch, Monday, 18 February 2008 23:21 (sixteen years ago) link

six months pass...

I just don't get anything from Aumgn and very little from Peking O. What am I missing? I'm sorely tempted to just wipe them off the iPod.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 29 August 2008 12:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Aumgn is the best, once Damo starts yelling this album gets about 10% more fun!

I know, right?, Friday, 29 August 2008 13:03 (sixteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

Yo, recommend me some songs that shamelessly rip-off CAN, I'm making another playlist. Fools Gold being an obvious one...

Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 20 April 2009 07:00 (fifteen years ago) link

"I am Damo Suzuki" being a more obvious one.

Ronmael de Canarias (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 April 2009 07:03 (fifteen years ago) link

True true, only I don't think I have it.

Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 20 April 2009 07:15 (fifteen years ago) link

You should get it. It's good.

Ronmael de Canarias (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 April 2009 07:16 (fifteen years ago) link

All of Bummed is Can, really. As mentioned elsewhere.

Ronmael de Canarias (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 April 2009 07:16 (fifteen years ago) link

That new Horrors single is basically an enfeebled Mother Sky plus weedy goth vocals.

Stew, Monday, 20 April 2009 08:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Happy Mondays - Hallelujah (original Martin Hannet version)

Discordian, Monday, 20 April 2009 11:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Bo, a 6-month-jackson Portuguese overdrive (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 20 April 2009 11:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Yo, recommend me some songs that shamelessly rip-off CAN

Fujiya & Miyagi
Primal Scream - Kowalski?

Jamie T Smith, Monday, 20 April 2009 14:17 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm working right now on a new track that shamelessly rips-off Can. I'll let you know when it is done. Hopefully it will satisfy your desire for shamelessness.

Moodles, Monday, 20 April 2009 15:23 (fifteen years ago) link

maybe some liquid liquid (even though they don't have a guitar player)

Mulvaney, Monday, 20 April 2009 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Aumgn is the best, once Damo starts yelling this album gets about 10% more fun!

That's Irmin Schmidt on "Aumgn" not Damo.

Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 April 2009 09:21 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...

Where do I file Delay 1968 in my Can albums? At the start, or at the end? I file things chronologically.

I can't make my face turn into a heart (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 27 July 2009 08:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Mine's at the start. It would feel out of place after Can imo.

willem, Monday, 27 July 2009 09:01 (fifteen years ago) link

bamyasi by a fair margin

akm, Monday, 27 July 2009 13:43 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Is Turtles Have Short Legs remastered on CD anywhere?

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link

There was a remastered version of Unlimited that i never seem to come across. Is it on that?

Stevolende, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link

First LP of Tago Mago > Ege Bamyasi.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 19:16 (twelve years ago) link

It's on Cannibalism 2. Was that remastered?

fit and working again, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...
three weeks pass...

It was the first rock record I ever heard. Bear in mind that up until 14-and-a-half I didn’t listen to any rock music at all, nothing, I only listened to classical. Then I was on an orchestral course and this very beautiful viola player said to me, ‘Don’t you listen to anything other than classical music?’ and I said ‘No’. She said, ‘Haven’t you listened to any experimental rock music?’ And I said, ‘What you mean like Top of the Pops?’ And she said, ‘No, no, no. I want to play you something.' She had a tape-to-tape machine - which shows how long ago this was - and then the same girl asked me, ‘Have you ever taken any marijuana?’ And, very shocked, I said, ‘I’ve never taken any drugs and I never would.' Anyway, I ended up listening to Can, smoking dope and losing my virginity all in one night. And the next day I was wearing black and when my parents came back from holiday I had sold my violin at Sotheby’s and had bought a mini Korg synthesiser and Marshall equipment and was ready to go and they were horrified.

How different, Jaz Coleman's life, has always been to mine...

Mark G, Monday, 16 April 2012 12:55 (twelve years ago) link

I know next to nothing about Jaz/Killing Joke but that story is hella cute.

tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link

That story is great! I don't know much Killing Joke either, but when I saw them in the 80s Jaz immediately reminded me of Alex Harvey, so this came as no surprise:

The Sensational Alex Harvey Band – Faith Healer
I know all the band would agree with this one, it’s one track that everyone gives a resounding yes to. It defines everything about rock music. The track 'Faith Healer' on its own, on its own, kinda inspired Killing Joke. Yes, massively, it inspired a young Geordie Walker and it’s the only song by Alex Harvey I really like, but it’s got to be one of the greatest pieces of rock music ever.

Other than that he claims to like only one SAHB song.

Advanced Uncle Meat recovery system (Dan Peterson), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

Instead of dividing them I'd rather take the best cuts and have Tago Mago + Ege Bamyasi as a 9 track album:

1. Paperhouse
2. Mushroom
3. Sing Swan Song
4. Oh Yeah
5. Vitamin C
6. I'm So Green
7. Hallelluwah
8. One More Night
9. Spoon

Running Length 57:10

Moka, Monday, 16 April 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link

No Pinch no credibility.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 16 April 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link

and where's the Augghmmmmm?

Mark G, Monday, 16 April 2012 19:10 (twelve years ago) link

haters.

Those ermm would be the b-sides to Vitamin C and Mushroom, respectively and they would be like the best two singles of the 70s. Happy?

Moka, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:15 (twelve years ago) link

Pinch is the sound of Can at their creative peak for me. If anyone could endorse anything that sounds like it, I am all ears.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link

Likewise.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 05:14 (twelve years ago) link

am i the only one who finds the lofi-ness of those records a bit discouraging? wish i could hear jaki with more clarity, i hate it with super tight drummers are somewhat obscured by muddy audio.

cock chirea, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 08:42 (twelve years ago) link

Have you got the 2004 remasters? Because that's really not a problem on them.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 08:51 (twelve years ago) link

And, y'know, turn it up.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 08:51 (twelve years ago) link

??????????????????
i hate it with when super tight drummers are somewhat obscured by muddy audio

cock chirea, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 08:56 (twelve years ago) link

latest remasters should solve your problem, what's not to understand?

you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:48 (twelve years ago) link

(He's just fixing his typo)

Mark G, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:06 (twelve years ago) link

i hate it when super tight drummers are somewhat obscured by muddy audio

Uh..... obscured, wtf??!?! Yeah you can barely hear Jaki on "Halleluwah" or "Mushroom" or "Vitamin C"?!?!??! I'd agree if you'd been talking about "Landed"!

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:24 (twelve years ago) link

dude, i'm not complaining about "barely hearing" jaki. i'm talking about a lack of clarity to the overall drum sound that i find a bit detrimental to the end product. check out 'oh yeah' or 'mushroom' for instance. i mean, the snare and cymbals sound ultra trebly and blurry (those were 2-track recordings after all, right?) so there's no way you can overcompensate those issues simply with a new mix or a remaster. i'm not into lo-fied drums AT ALL, esp when dealing with hyper detailed drummers such as liebezeit where you really wanna hear every little nuance of his playing and with as much detail as possible, that's about it.

cock chirea, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 12:21 (twelve years ago) link

will check those remasters out anyway, thanks for the tip

cock chirea, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 12:22 (twelve years ago) link

those were 2-track recordings after all, right?

Indeed, and they sound miles better and are recorded with much more clarity than when they started using 16-track! Anyway, your ears are obviously are different to mine.

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 14:07 (twelve years ago) link


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