henry rollins vs. hipsters

its a generational battle for the soul of the scene where old-school didactic preachy knowitallism battles 17 degrees of post-ironic nihilism and self-absorption

Henry Rollins hanging out with Shirin Neshat = 10,000 points to Henry.

well that's the point he's making too

I do find it rich that someone is pulling the "We're just trying to hang out and a camera crew showed up" in the East Village.

"Get in the Van, that's the title of a very famous book I wrote, the audio book won a Grammy..."

― No Means Yes. Yes Means Anal. (unperson), Wednesday, November 3, 2010 12:06 PM

r u a date rapist or what

thanks for making sure this thread never makes it onto 77

"and it's very well known."

(that's a xp to circa1916, continuing henry's crucial-to-the-plot explication of his resume.)

winner of the reality show -- this is a reality show, right? -- is shirin neshat for saying, "i didn't understand why she said 'get in the van.'"

No Means Yes. Yes Means Anal. (unperson)

I strongly recommend changing this display name immediately.

are you sure you're not going to yellowcard am0n for his "meta-snark" instead?

and you need to shut the fuck up

^more meta-snark... MODS! MODS!

goodbye

ffs guys

jar jar bank$ (Whiney G. Weingarten) has been temporarily banned. see you in 27 days, dumbass

http://erichuber.mightycreativestuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/28-days-later.jpg

tbh, this is only going to feed his righteous indignation over the whole thing

unless im missing something, i dont really see how whiney said anything itt that merits a 28-day temp ban

Its not this thread, its a culmination of a long running issue.

alright

bit harsh imo

Harsh or no, I think he was given quite a few warnings about dropping it and ignored them.

the 28 days would be a result of the number of days in temp bans increasing every time you get one + the number of times whiney has been temped - just fyi

What just happened? Why was Whiney banned? Does it have something to do with my username? I'm genuinely curious, as this is the only one of the IL_ boards I post on so it's very, very possible there's something I missed.

this is kind of a side thing, but fwiw a lot of people have a problem with your display name and would really prefer if you changed it

tbh, this is only going to feed his righteous indignation over the whole thing

― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:36 (14 minutes ago)

^^^^

seriously dude, I'm only changing mine when you change yours

What just happened? Why was Whiney banned? Does it have something to do with my username? I'm genuinely curious, as this is the only one of the IL_ boards I post on so it's very, very possible there's something I missed.

You did miss something.

You should still change your display name, since even knowing the context behind it still leaves it bordering on being a gross rape joke.

What just happened? Why was Whiney banned? Does it have something to do with my username? I'm genuinely curious, as this is the only one of the IL_ boards I post on so it's very, very possible there's something I missed.

Just change your fucking username. Christ.

omg totally know that girl in "Sexual Aids" - her name is Meredith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEszTzdUMcY

So I guess that's Cake Shop in NYC, right?

Henry comes off like a colossal dick in this clip

um but I guess this thread is about something else now? lol

you guys and your silly bickering

Rollins comes off like a complete idiot full of the most ridiculous assumptions in this video. Those kids seem to like his music.

yeah I don't really understand why he immediately goes after them for being egotistical trust funder elitists and whatnot? because they recognized him and yelled "Get in the van" at him? wtf

The idea of ALL HIPSTERS ARE *THIS*, AND *THIS* IS DESPICABLE RAARHRRAHRAR is soooo fucking played. Because apparently you're not allowed to wear skinny jeans and listen to AnCo without a trust fund and hefty dose of condescension or something?

But at this point even saying ^^^^ that is soooo fucking played. Why is this shit even still going on?

i can see how "OMG HENRY ROLLINS LOL" would be irritating, but yeah, Rollins is a total paranoid, egomaniacal shithead here. seem like he went into the place looking for a confrontation.

you're not allowed to wear skinny jeans and listen to AnCo without a trust fund and hefty dose of condescension

that sounds about right

It's worth remembering that Rollins is a) a socially awkward nerd (I've met him and interviewed him twice in person and twice by phone) and b) a guy people used to stub out cigarettes on, throw things at and start fights with during Black Flag sets, so the idea that he might be a little more guarded, and might perceive slights more quickly, than your average person isn't totally surprising to me.

he got thrown through a sliding glass door by al pacino of all people too, ffs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ygDMHnt-Lg

Das Sweatshirt vermisse ich.

not to mention crucified by dolph lundgren

It's worth remembering that Rollins is a) a socially awkward nerd (I've met him and interviewed him twice in person and twice by phone) and b) a guy people used to stub out cigarettes on, throw things at and start fights with during Black Flag sets

i don't know if i'd classify a guy who does spoken word, is a talking head on just about everything, had his own interview show, etc. as a genuinely socially awkward nerd. also re: Blak Flag, it's not like he was being picked on or anything. BF and Rollins had a certain reputation and he played to it.

xpsts

henry rollins is a closeted hipster

explains everything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw3sFFd1ZVg

that's really endearing

nice superhero outfit

OMG OMG OMG

That's the version he did as a duet with RuPaul, that Dreamworks refused to be allowed to be released, because it would hurt his image! and still never has been!

<3 <3 <3

Looking at Rollins' "they think I'm old and bourgeoisie, while they're avant-garde proletariat" remark, it makes his later introduction of Shirin Neshat "as an exiled Iranian photographer" as some sort of gross trump card, like dating her qualifies as a great piece of outsider art that they can't equal.

Years and years ago there was a rumor that Rollins had recorded a version of "You Don't Have To Be A Star, Baby (To Be In My Show)" with Mary J. Blige. I always kinda hoped it was true.

Echoplex listeners will be treated to two hours of Think Tank remastered.

also that's the actual superhero outfit from the Liar video, aw

Would love to see Rollins do a Curb or Louie cameo, but the director would have to keep him in the dark about the scene's situation until the cameras rolled.

The dude is totally untouchable for his Infinite Zero re-releases (OOP Trouble Funk albums, the Iceberg Slim spoken word LPs on CD, etc. etc. etc.). I heard he supposedly stores the archives of tons and tons of Dischord stuff, too - master tapes and unreleased albums and stuff - in his vaults.

I was just thinking about how Henry Rollins was a prick. I imported the Volume 11 - Reading Special cd the other day and listened to the Rollins Tour Diary again. He comes off as a major asshole.

Looking at Rollins' "they think I'm old and bourgeoisie, while they're avant-garde proletariat" remark, it makes his later introduction of Shirin Neshat "as an exiled Iranian photographer" as some sort of gross trump card, like dating her qualifies as a great piece of outsider art that they can't equal.

― Cunga, Thursday, November 11, 2010 6:00 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

LOL yes there is definitely nothing as anti-hipster as a Video Artist!

BTW if that's correct upthread that this was shot in 2006, dude's diaries reveal that he was massively, massively, clinically depressed at the time; very unhappy with some then-current career decisions and unable (due to his pathology) to communicate his discomfort to his co-workers; bottling up resentment and getting angry at the situation, instead of attempting to solve it; and that by early the next year he was much healthier, and consciously aware of what a state he'd been in during the previous year (and relieved at the difference now he was out of it).

It's certainly good to hear that this doesn't reflect his current mental state. I had a good year or two idolizing the spoken word and would like to think he's at heart a cool guy.

there's also that phil was basically otm re: a socially awkward nerd , it's just that sometimes we handle these things better than others, and frame of mind affects our ability to respond

I liked "Think Tank" a lot, it did sort of end in a "Here's some hilarious stuff I wrote to someone.." but the rest was all good.

TBH I *like* Rollins because at heart he's the nerd-made-good, revenge fantasies and all that, but you know he's still human and unsure. I've seen him do standup a couple times in past years and he did this one where he went ON AND ON about turning 40 and how horrible it was and blah blah but then he segued into this awesome story about going to a KISS concert and how adorable and awesome KISS fans are which kind of redeemed his "wah I am an old fake" rant.

I DNGI why he is so obsessed with this "people dismiss me cos Im an old has been" thing. Why does he think this? He's the arbiter of true hardcore! He was the singer of Black Flag FFS. What is the matter with him?!

PS I read "get in the van" back in the day and it made me all aggresive and angry for some reason. Not at what I read, but in some weird sympathy?

seems plausible enough

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Wow, that 1984 clip brings back all my mixed feelings about Black Flag at the time.

I will say this: Not all social behavior on the other side of decent is equally bad, and that kind of confrontational narcissism is both very '84 punk and very sociable in its stunted way--the idea of putting it all out there (including prejudices), making people defend themselves, snapping them out of politeness, challenging received thinking, etc. If there are less healthy impulses mixed in (aggressiveness, asking questions so loaded you couldn't possibly want an answer), that only shows the risks of living too long on the other side.

The reason the kid isn't too shocked is he's used it. (Even Henry touching his hair is very slam-pit, somewhere between tenderness and a prelude to a fight.) He runs the interview in that same play-acting way until the tables get turned, and obviously doesn't know what to make of Kira, who's unacculturated enough to think she's being interviewed. And as if to confirm Henry's paranoia, he invokes the common, automated critique of Black Flag at the time--that they were playing "heavy metal," "selling out," not playing "TV Party" etc.

So I don't see a bully and a kid, I see a bunch of kids trying to figure out who they are in a radical situation. And there's a bit of punk culture-clash in the New York footage too, where, what, these women are surprised Henry Rollins is baiting them with whatever demons lurk in his head rather than asking them questions and getting to know them after they yell, "Get in the van!"?

I should say, punk was the first time I became aware of people using quotation marks around everything--speech, clothes, the tiniest behaviors. It was a pointed irony expressed at the expense of all kinds of conventions that truly needed tearing down--and I still see kids deconstructing things as they say them in the same way in alternative schools. But now obviously the attitude toward sexism is like night and day.

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High vote for Rollins here...

Right,I have actually got round to seeing the vid.

He comes over as not a douchebag at all. Someone shouts him, he goes up to them and engages. not in a threatening way.

He may come over as less than modest about his book, but at least she now knows what it was about.

Oh, and the people in the shop are also not douchebags. No-one was insulted or insulting.

So, there you go.

Oh, and the people in the shop are also not douchebags. No-one was insulted or insulting.

I think they were mocking him, but backed down when he came over, trying to make it appear that they were just fans.

so are we assuming that the average nyc hipster recognizes henry rollins on sight... but only in order to mock him?

Mocking is not exactly 'insulting', really.

He's maybe not a 'douchebag', but he is very intense and overbearing in a way that doesn't look at all fun to be around. Everyone else in the video is just a person doing normal stuff.

At the start of the video Rollins was just a person doing normal stuff, he was looking at records and talking about them... Its not like he burst through the doors and called them all fuckfaces.

is it normal to film yrself doing normal stuff

+ not that they could have possibly known it at the time unless they had super-keen hearing, but he was ALREADY being kind of a dick just talking about the records

those poor records!

uhhh i mean i don't know what the larger context of this trip to the record store is, but talking about how "elitist" a store is while you rifle through their shelves pulling out cool albums to show your friend is p.douchey

"here we are at my favorite sushi place — as you can see there is a lot of good sushi on the menu, and that is because only elitist sushi-obsessed snobs who hate me come here to eat"

some of the stuff he says is complete aids

Have Pomplamoose covered any Black Flag songs yet? I behind on ILX reading and want to collapse as many threads as possible.

(xp) there must be a post you can think of that just doesn't reference aids at all. i don't find it anything more than something to roll my eyes at, but there's more than one aids survivor - that i'm even aware of - on ilx

pretty prominent video, but the guy is a complete ass in this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_3g4QPojMc

I mean here's this dude vehemently against hipsters and he accuses some 14 year old kid of not knowing enough about "good music".

^^^^^

Wow, that 1984 clip brings back all my mixed feelings about Black Flag at the time.

I will say this: Not all social behavior on the other side of decent is equally bad, and that kind of confrontational narcissism is both very '84 punk and very sociable in its stunted way--the idea of putting it all out there (including prejudices), making people defend themselves, snapping them out of politeness, challenging received thinking, etc. If there are less healthy impulses mixed in (aggressiveness, asking questions so loaded you couldn't possibly want an answer), that only shows the risks of living too long on the other side.

The reason the kid isn't too shocked is he's used it. (Even Henry touching his hair is very slam-pit, somewhere between tenderness and a prelude to a fight.) He runs the interview in that same play-acting way until the tables get turned, and obviously doesn't know what to make of Kira, who's unacculturated enough to think she's being interviewed. And as if to confirm Henry's paranoia, he invokes the common, automated critique of Black Flag at the time--that they were playing "heavy metal," "selling out," not playing "TV Party" etc.

So I don't see a bully and a kid, I see a bunch of kids trying to figure out who they are in a radical situation. And there's a bit of punk culture-clash in the New York footage too, where, what, these women are surprised Henry Rollins is baiting them with whatever demons lurk in his head rather than asking them questions and getting to know them after they yell, "Get in the van!"?

― Pete Scholtes, Monday, December 20, 2010 7:35 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark

Punk attitude confuses the hell out of me. It's a rebellion against everything, including itself, so it's hard for me to tell when somebody is acting punk... or being punk in the face of perceived notions of punk? I don't know.

being in black flag, for many people in the group (not least rollins, treated like a human ashtray by some in the audience), seemed to be about positioning yourself in opposition to everything, including your fans.

and a lot of their behaviour, imho, is down to being pretty damaged people in their own right, participating in a project that wasn't designed as a healing process, if that makes sense.

but talking about how "elitist" a store is

tbh, I thought he was being reasonably non-sarcastic here.

yeah sorry jeff that was my bad! stupid schoolyard slang

Punk attitude confuses the hell out of me. It's a rebellion against everything, including itself, so it's hard for me to tell when somebody is acting punk... or being punk in the face of perceived notions of punk? I don't know.

― heh (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:56 (12 hours ago)

don't get rollins at all, just seems awful, his obscure logic and weird emo roidhead persona

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-xMkHgan0Y

thing abt fucking w rollins is if youre into his music u kno hes like a rattlesnake

those ladies and the kid above kno who theyre dealing w and probably anticipated some confrontation with their comments (ladies: ha u wrote that book man; boy: going heavy metal eh fellas?) which is probably how they got their kicks, the boy handled himself rly well and trolled him back good tho

so yes rollins is/was a douche but i mean why taunt the guy unless you want to put up w his dickish antics

taunting him even slightly knowing how easily u can wind him up also makes u a bit of a douche tho not as much as rollins sure

but people liked to push rollins' buttons

heres a fun one by my man nardwuar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt8i4lStIxg