al ship's top 50 r&b singles of the 00s -- which is your favorite?

i'll upload zips for this at some point tonight

"1 Thing", easy, and I love a lot of these.

itersting list, we have the same #1 were I to mine which I keep putting off.. so yeah voted for "promise," perfect song and it defines 00s R&B pretty perfectly

I would substitute some of these choices for less obv ones, like to me "call me" is a much better tweet single than "oop...", "Questions" > "Officially Missing You," etc. ... but yeah good list some dude.

thanks! i don't know if i'd call "Officially Missing You" one of the obvious choices, though.

all of these listed are weighted more toward the first half of the decade, but this one more than any of the others so far: 6 songs from 2000, 10 from '01, 6 from '02, 7 from '03, 4 from '04, 4 from 2005, 5 from '06, 5 from '07, 1 from '08, and 2 from '09

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i prob haven't heard more on this list than any of the previous ones but

1 promise
2 we belong together
3 so sick
4 blame it
5 if i ain't got you
6 step in the name of love (remix)
7 gone
8 yo (excuse me miss)
9 u got it bad
10 when i see u
11 more than a woman
12 peaches & cream
13 untitled
14 laundromat
15 confessions pt 2
16 thong song
17 pretty wings
18 get me bodied
19 closer
20 ordinary people
19
20

this should be easy for me because it contains my number one single, full stop, of the entire decade - and in the top spot to boot. music really didn't get much better than "promise" in the 00s.

for most of the list i thought it was the list in ships' series that would end up being most divergent to my own putative one - from the destiny's child diss to the lack of dreamery, then...the top 17 happened and i had to refrain from replaying OMGOMG every time al tweeted a new one.

agree with brainwasher re: "call me", which would have been top 10 on my list probably. "burn" would have been my top usher choice, "u don't have to call" wouldn't have been a choice...have never been super-enthusiastic about "rock your body" either, worst of the justified singles imo. would've gone for "no more drama", "stay down" and "be without you" over "just fine" (though still like it).

nice to see "heard it all before" and "so gone" so high up! and to be reminded of 112 and tamia. and good looking out for "get me bodied".

no words for the polow remix of "when i see u"/richcraft remix of "why don't we fall in love?"

kinda don't get how you love those two alicia tracks but disdain her others...i've always thought her basic aesthetic has been pretty much the same every time out (in terms of her vocal approach and songwriting, not production obv).

great list anyway! tracks i hadn't heard before that i really like on first listen - that faith evans one, and the musiq soulchild one. also hadn't heard either the prince or the mj, but (on one listen) both sort of bored me.

1. promise
2. laundromat
3. we belong together
4. step in the name of love (remix)
5. case of the ex
6. more than a woman
7. a woman's threat
8. when i see u
9. you don't know my name
10. so gone

ignore those bottom two number durr

yeah j0rdan you're gonna learn some dope jams when you put together the zip

jesus you weren't kidding about the drum sound on "charlene"

the 20 i listed i already would say are 10/10 or 9.5 of 10 so anything that can jump into the top 20 would be O_O and awesome

like...do you not know "So Gone"!? (xpost)

This list is fucking amazing, except of course I hate "Irreplaceable".

I accidentally voted for You Don’t Know My Name, but I was thinking of If I Ain't Got You.

Kanye's remix of "If I Ain't Got You" is really great as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH6A8XCUux0

like...do you not know "So Gone"!? (xpost)

― lil bow bow (some dude), Friday, November 5, 2010 4:16 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah i do -- i don't know like sunshine anderson, tank, prince, michael, faith evans, isely brothers etc

you don't know sunshine anderson?! you have a treat in store

i think i still have a promo of the album "heard it all before" was off, in the depths of my room somewhere. i can't really remember the other songs.

i got super excited that "sunshine anderson" was this woman on the food network that goes by the name "sunny anderson" (& who was talking on yesterday's episode about cooking for nore) but they're diff ppl

yeah that sunshine track is great, surprised you all haven't heard that Faith Evans, Faithfully is one of the best r&b albums of the 00s actually, I would've put this one over "you gets no love"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8vGGWn2AmE
(one of my favorite songs ever... definite top 10 on my list)

also "burning up" remix with Freeway!

smh at "faithfully"

50. 112 - "Peaches & Cream" (2001)
42. Tweet f/ Missy Elliott - "Oops (Oh My)" (2002)
30. Maxwell - "Pretty Wings" (2009)
29. Amerie - "Why Don't We Fall In Love?" (2002)
24. Janet Jackson - "Doesn't Really Matter" (2000)
23. Usher - "U Got It Bad" (2001)
11. Mariah Carey - “We Belong Together” (2005)
7. Mya - "Case of the Ex" (2000)
4. D'Angelo - "Untitled (How Does It Feel)" (2000)
3. Amerie - "1 Thing" (2005)

^^^^genuinely have no idea how to pick between these, it is like the pinnacle of music here imo.

xp Her new one is titled Something About Faith lol

no words for the polow remix of "when i see u"/richcraft remix of "why don't we fall in love?"

great tracks that will definitely figure into some kind of remix list at some point, but these are purely about originals or whatever version was the biggest hit of a song

kinda don't get how you love those two alicia tracks but disdain her others...i've always thought her basic aesthetic has been pretty much the same every time out (in terms of her vocal approach and songwriting, not production obv).

I like most later Alicia singles to varying degrees except for, like, "No One," but those 2 songs are definitely the tops and I just hate "Fallin'" and "A Woman's Worth"

yeah i was crackin jokes on twitter recently about how Faith just gave up on trying with her album titles

i think "like you'll never see me again" & "try sleeping w/ a broken heart" are great second tier singles

yeah those are v. good, but totally not top 50 material

yeah i was crackin jokes on twitter recently about how Faith just gave up on trying with her album titles

making such a lame conceit last for so long is kind of admirable in a way

Best Faith Evans album title

ha i downloaded an OG ron c screwed remix of "call my name"

this is awesome

haha nice

"Call My Name" is part of the 25% or so of the list that i fell in love with while driving home and listening to the post-10pm slow jam radio blocks.

i'm gonna vote for step in the name of love cuz i went to get some wings at this place and there was a poster for some "chicago steppers" event called step in the name of love going on in north mpls and it was kind of a heartwarming show flier.

when i was on a rodney jerkins kick a while back i came across this song off 'invincible' that's kind of awesome

mike sounds rather ridiculous on it but the beat is pretty O_O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWjYxR2cs5s

awesome list

"promise" of course

also this one

hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miBfwWHSmb8

btw ship, why no badu? "bag lady"!!

or are u doing a separate "neo-soul" thing?

i've never been that big on "Bag Lady" tbh -- my fav Badu single of the decade is probably "Love Of My Life" and I almost put that on the rap/R&B list but the Common verse is so so garbage

the 5-10 neo soul tracks on this list about cover how i feel about it as a singles genre

yeah common's verse is really terrible on that

LOOKIN FOR CHEESE THAT DON'T MAKE HER A HOODRAT.

I bet he thought that was clever too lol

i can guarantee that kanye think its clever

Who's phrase is this originally: Before he speaks his suit bespoke?
Please don't say its Kanye West, because this is exactly where I heard this phrase, but I immediately remembered that I have heard it elsewhere, probably in English Classical Literature, but where??! Thank you for help.

Yeah man, it totally reads like Dickens.

part 1 http://www.mediafire.com/?ceju5idos7u0uff
part 2 http://www.mediafire.com/?6or82xrek958wsh

'charlene'

jesus you weren't kidding about the drum sound on "charlene"

― ain't no half-trollin (J0rdan S.), Friday, November 5, 2010 4:15 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is the kind of shit you only notice when its pointed out first imo

i think i'm the only person i know who thinks "Can't Let Go" is 10/10 and better than "Charlene"

well...i noticed it right away obv and that's just always how i've heard the song, but i was the one that pointed out so i won't get all chicken/egg about it

id totally forgotten about it

yo honestly i feel like markers is a bro but the dude just needs to open up a little! getting called out on shit makes an ilxor imo! be u!

― frogsb (k3vin k.), Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:44 PM

thanks 4 this, k3v

― markers, Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:51 PM (3 minutes ago)

man you got it - honestly as someone who was nearly clowned off the site as a newbie i feel u! i feel like you're scared to open up tho, like you're scared the main ilx demo will not like u or something...dude everyone likes you! i pal around with sarge and deej or underrated aero (who i've met irl) and whoever but am not afraid to disagree with them or call them out - ppl will respect you for having opinions, fuckin go all out dude

totally. and also, and i really don't intend this in a dickish way, but it's ok to not post if you don't have anything to say too. it's really the posting the exact same thing into several different threads (not just the Blink vid but lots of stuff) that makes me really irritable.

but yes that Enon album is the shit

yeah and as someone who thinks some dude is the shit as a poster/writer and a similar-gen ilxor pay attn!

hey some dude do you really not rate ryan leslie's 'addiction' remix?

i dont respect people for having opinions fwiw

unless their my opinions

fuckin go all out dude

just know that we'll also clown you into submission if you go too far in the opposite direction

i definitely do -- it was #22 here: al ship's top 50 rap/r&b crossover singles of the 00s -- which is your favorite?

(assuming we're talking about the remix w/ Fabolous that was a hit and not the later remix w/ Rick Ross and Keri Hilson and Trey Songz that i remember nothing about)

thanks for that post too, k3v. i'm honestly not sure how accurate the "scared to open up" charge is. i generally keep irl shit off the boards, but i feel like i've probably answered almost every question someone's asked me on my ask thread, and i don't really see where i'm holding back where i shouldn't be right now, although i could be missing something

when it comes to music i basically got nothing right now, so maybe i should just take al's advice and "not post if you don't have anything to say," which would mean not saying much on ilm right now. probably a good idea

son tho!!!!

i'm just saying...as a dude who considers himself relatively smart i'm saying that it's ok to call out the main dudea who be callin u out & such

Damn, can't believe I've never heard Believo. It's better than High Society? I had that album in regular rotation for years.

dude tho....as someone who has kept off-board/relationship shit separate from normal shit...i feel u as far as far as privacy goes....

i agree that irl shit is best kept on lock, so i agree with markers there. i still post my sad share of whiny emo bullshit but i do try to keep the specifics as vague as possible. controlling the whiny emo bullshit quotient is everyone's personal job.

but i don't really think that's what al was talking about.

i'm not even nuts about keeping the board & irl separate. i talk to ppl off board, am g+/fb friends w/ ilxors, i've met a handful of ilxors irl

i just think there are some things that shouldn't be posted abt, and i've been p good at not posting about those things

no it's not the exactly what al's talking about, but i was just addressing the "scared to open up" thing by pointing out that i've opened up a bunch and almost always answer stuff ppl ask me about on the ask markers through

yeah i mean before i had a kid and there was no way to not share that w/ the board i had like zero biographical info on ilx. i don't necessarily mean share dirt, or even necessarily be more opinionated. i just mean if a large percentage of your posts involve cutting and pasting or less than a sentence's worth of typing, people aren't getting much of "you" in any felt sense.

Believo is def better than High Society! HS def has some of their best songs though

i generally keep irl shit off the board

i think the ship meant more that you keep yr actual opinions/insights abt shit p close to the vest and instead post low content shit all the time

i think markers has more or less found his niche, but i dig what ship is saying about being the real you and not the carles you -- which doesn't mean posting earnestly about your irl either

high society has enon's best song but believo! is just so fukken tight

haha low content

do you think there are enough people who have high society to justify a poll thread? cause now i wanna talk about what th ebest song is

me, you, and lamp will vote.

and of course the usual 10 or 12 lurkers who vote but never comment on the threads in question.

i don't really have anything insightful to say about music. i'm not a critic, and i don't really think about music critically, so the extent of the contribution i can give to most music threads is "i like this" or "i don't like this." i don't really read much criticism anymore unless it's by an ilxor, and i don't follow any genres close enough to have something out of the ordinary to say. the main thing i follow is tech stuff, and i don't post about that much here. but, i mean, i have been a little over the past two days and i'd assume a lot of ppl missed it b/c they don't read the ilx apple threads, which are pretty niche compared to, say, the odd future thread or something

the 'apple is more niche than odd future on ilx' thing is lol because of how true it is

the other stuff i follow is philosophy stuff and i really don't feel like posting abt that on ilx tbh

dude i am a critic and i have zero insightful to say about music. *go with your heart.*

yeah like 90% of my posts are "I like this [youtube]"

ftr I have no problem with markers but I'm not that familiar w/ his posts tbh

bro i actually have a negative amount of insight when it comes to musical shit, just share your honest opinions... all killer, no filler!!!

hahaha

I'd probably engage in an Enon/High Society thread. I'd also love to pick people's brains for more recommendations for other albums along the same lines. I used to be a fiend for music like that, but it's been ages since I've discovered anything exciting/lasting from that pocket of indie-rock.

Enon High Society Poll

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uENOY2cSRcA

^^^more niche than odd future, it's true.

ok brotown, so forgive me for getting insufferable speech givey on you especially in a context where you've already begun to come out the shell, but the shit weighs on my damn mind.

for real, dude--i know you f/w ideas. you and i read a lot of the same shit and the same people, it seems like, and i can't really talk with a lot of people about shit like craig mod or whatever. clowned as kshighway was for being corny, markers as a parody of the result of zing culture is nowhere near as interesting a dude as i know mister nanunanulopoplpolous.

i'm speaking here, remember, as a guy who was and is clowned for too often otming/RTing other people (i sort of assume a lot of people bail on me on twitter cause i half treat RTs like a job). i know often someone else has already said it better and you feel you have nothing to add but still want to bolster prominence by highlighting it--that's a impulse i absolutely get. and along those lines, i also totally get that it's a risk to form a tentative opinion about something nebulous and put it out there without being afraid it'll be shot down, or worse, completely ignored.

but fuck it. it's the internet. i've gotten a lot more comfortable articulating my views on a lot of different things both online and in life by putting up and defending trial balloons on ilx. it's almost easier and safer to say shit here than it is anywhere else.

so i'm sayin. u know.

as a parody of the result of zing culture

and btw yall, you reap what you fucking sow

for real, dude--i know you f/w ideas.

loving this

but really, glad HOOS spoke up because i was actually thinking about him after posting on this thread as the perfect example of somebody who took his lumps for being himself early on and just kept being himself in the most unapologetic and self-assured way until people pretty quickly came to respect and appreciate him almost across the board.

hey thanks for that post, hoos. i appreciate it!

i'll work on (1) shedding "the persona" and (2) posting better in general

cool dude

btw markers did you vote itt and/or do you have a fav tune

it appears as if this revive doesn't involve anyone pointing out again how retarded it is that rihanna finished third in this poll

the 'international' choice i guess

i'm gonna re-do my list

1 we belong together
2 charlene
3 promise
4 untitled
5 so sick
6 blame it
7 if i ain't got you
8 step in the name of love (remix)
9 gone
10 yo (excuse me miss)
11 u got it bad
12 when i see u
13 more than a woman
14 peaches & cream
15 maybe i deserve
16 confessions pt 2
17 doesn't really matter
18 pretty wings
19 thong song
20 closer

"bad habits" would replace "pretty wings" if i had the choice

hey chart guy 1 Thing & Don't Stop the Music both went to #4 in the UK, #6 in my country & i voted amerie in a heartbeat iirc so unless yr guess relates to the ilx continental euro clique idk

actually i prob didn't vote

maaaan jordan shafting "more than a woman" there imo - tho there are so many good songs here it's tough

maybe tomorrow if i get power back ill do a top 20

btw markers did you vote itt and/or do you have a fav tune

i don't remember if i voted, but i'm not super into r&b & don't know even know how many of these i've heard tbh

dude you should download these songs -- i'm sure my links are still up

yep, both downloading now

ty