What is the most self-consciously volatile/abstruse/offensive music around right now?

...cos I can't think of too many examples. I don't mean stuff like real-life fascist music or anything, I'm just having difficulty thinking of a band like Anal Cunt or Napalm Death or Nasenbluten or Ice-T or Necro or someone, an act who go deliberately out of their way to incite controversy or at least cause offense to your parents/other sensitive souls?

Seems that most extreme metal/noise/hip-hop/techno etc has a certain artistic direction or nuance that stops it from being simply loud and offensive for pretty much the sake of it... thoughts?

odd story grand mother blow them all

― haute couture wolf gang frill them all (samosa gibreel), Monday, November 15, 2010 8:52 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

Is ICP's "SECRET GOD MESSAGE INSIDE" schtick what disqualifies them from this list?

message or not, ICP have been around for donkeys... I'm sure a few of the acts I mentioned are still peddling their schtick right now anyway...

Did this all die off when Marilyn Manson and Slipknot entered the mainstream?

There was a good article on the Guardian music blogs about this not so long ago, which argued - correctly in my view - that the only truly offensive artists these days are those who offend their own fans. Otherwise they are just pandering to their fanbase, who know what to expect and it all becomes too cosy.

So here's a follow-up question - which artists offend their own fans?

CC artists who go secular

At one point, Dixie Chicks.

CC artists who go secular

― Baron Strange of Knockin (DJP), Tuesday, November 16, 2010 10:58 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

or stay CC but come out! aren't there like 5 of those folks now

haha someone needs to make an earl sweatshit/"earl" mashup

ew

blood on the dancefloor

what is CC?

Also (UK-centric question here), will we see a resurgence in "fuck you" culture in music now the students are revolting again?

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Christian Country I think.

Christian Contemporary actually, but you might as well call it Christian Country

will we see a resurgence in "fuck you" culture in music

this...went away?

and wtf does it have to do with students?

blood on the dancefloor

yea crunkcore does a pretty good job of deliberately pissing off that entire teenage (pop-)punk/harcdore scene

Crunkcore has passionate fans, though. So again we're stuck with music that only pisses off outsiders, and which (maybe as a result) inspires devotion in fans. As far as musicians/bands that go out of their way to piss of their own fan base, isn't Lou Reed still the reigning champion?

all the bands cited in the original post pretty much cater to their fanbases too, though - "offensive" isn't a subset that really makes sense cuz of the different ways/levels it operates on, it's certainly not a genre.

you have to have an audience that is not your core fans paying attention to you in order to have someone to offend in the first place. since no artist has this any longer, this mode of antagonism is more or less extinct.

lex OTM that this is not a "genre"

like, having a centralized media with gatekeepers and limited outlets is kinda essential for this approach - you have to have something to rebel AGAINST. but all those restrictive barriers are mostly gone now.

^^yeah. (if indeed it ever existed?)

i guess it's a route that's open to the most famous acts around, but given how mock outrage can be generated with the most innocuous action, there's no need to try to go further. even lindsay lohan, whose lifestyle seems to offend the majority of people, is more pitied these days than feared.

^^yeah. (if indeed it ever existed?)

well there was stuff like the PMRC

i guess it's a route that's open to the most famous acts around, but given how mock outrage can be generated with the most innocuous action, there's no need to try to go further.

agree with this as well - Gaga for instance thrives on this kind of "ooh I am controversial!" schtick but is anyone really offended? its more like genteel amusement at this point.

i think the pop culture figures who've come closest this decade are probably the reality tv famewhore types whose very existence seems to anger and offend people - your tila tequilas and paris hiltons. (weirdly i don't sense the same antipathy towards kim kardashian?)

xp it's also about how the tiniest actions - kanye/taylor for instance, or janet jackson's tit - are blown up and treated as though they were on a par with sinéad o'connor ripping up the pope

ugh let's not go back to the Timberlake/Jackson Superbowl fiasco, I don't want to start hating dude again

actually threw my promo copy away because i didn't want it in the house! so, you know, they are doing a good job, i guess?

http://www.necrocosm.net/vpc/images/cover/xxxmaniak%20-%20Harvesting%20the%20Cunt%20Nectar.jpg

okay I clicked on that, and then the URL registered and I was like "WAIT NO"

thank god for quick reflexes

its hard to offend me too...

oh sorry! nsfw...

i don't even think...

jesus christ

I just kind of assume this stuff is out there though - it's easy enough to ignore/keep away from my children, etc.

my initial reaction upon seeing that is 'lol photoshop' so maybe I'm immune idk

they're just gross. and the music sucks.

i mean, i'm a heinous killings fan, so i'm no angel or anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHqwzMZ_KUE

It was just the dildo that offended you, admit it.

i'm having trouble reading that heavily splintered logo but does that say, "xxx jandek"?

xxx maniak

"you painted your queef"

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2010/11/tinsel_teeth_pl.html

not sure what makes that photoset SUPREMELY NSFW instead of just NSFW

either way it didn't seem very offensive

i'm more confused by what's vegan about it.

...[acts] who go deliberately out of their way to incite controversy or at least cause offense to your parents/other sensitive souls?

this was the OP question, and this kind of thing still exists, as seward points out. it's been pushed to the margins, though, as there doesn't seem to be much taste for it in the mainstream at the moment (like there ever was). horrorcore is pretty much dead, even metal has become more grown-up and cerebral over the last decade. otoh, goole mentioned OFWGKTA, who seem to be having some success with a deliberately parent & sensitive soul offending formula, so maybe we're due for a resurgence. other fringe dwellers: brainbombs, cannibal corpse, their offsprings.

destroy the kardashian-weight-loss complex!!!

http://gawker.com/5548355/

re: lex's "no antipathy to the kardashians" point, btw. i think that's true, but they seem pretty loathsome to me

tbh, after watching WAY TOO MUCH of their shows Khloe seems kind of awesome

maybe I'm uh too close to the subject to comment but tinsel teeth aren't trying to be offensive, they're just trying to put on a good show. pictures of their gigs always look desperate and depraved but when you're actually in the room there's an energetic freedom/party vibe.

actually this is the worst album cover I've seen recently, worse than the xxx maniak which seems kinda cartoonish to me

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__M4hy7zDemo/TC1c_JFS91I/AAAAAAAAB54/mTRwVkOcuWo/s320/nice.bmp

I have it in my head that they got written up in the Sun in like the mid-80s (wrt noise bands who Joe Public actually get to hear about) but I can't find any proof of this

I know Bennett and what happened was he announced that the group was over after Best left but then he had a change of heart and said he would continue under the group name. So you could call it a hiatus I guess but there will definitely be more Whitehouse product in the future. Whitehouse has always been a vehicle for Bennett whoever else is officially in the group anyway. As for "wholesome" they were at their most unwholesome well before Sotos joined.

As regards the thread topic I brought them up b/c dog latin clarified his terms to include "anti-social, aggressive, belligerent or extreme". which kind of means that whether they break through to the uninitiated is not really here or there. my point being that their recent work still fits that description well.

its funny i don't have a problem with whitehouse's music its the vocals that drive me crazy. (and why i don't listen to them)

I think Bennett's vocals are great but on the last few albums Best did most of the vocals and I agree they aren't nearly as good

I prefer Best's lyrics by and large - I hope that more Whitehouse biz does get released but for me at least that'll be a big missing piece

it was as recently as... maybe 2004 that they had a show in Bristol pulled because someone phoned a threat into the venue saying what "would" happen if the gig went ahead - so not literally right now but in a markedly different era than 'Cop Killer' or whatever

First thing I think of when reading this thread title is Billy Bao.
I gave that record to my misanthrope friend.

Think that Whitehouse thing was 2003?

yeah I kind of heard about it after the fact so yr prob right - either way I'm pretty sure ppl were making the same "there's no *real* offensive music any more" arguments back then as have been positied here

Justice Yeldham's a class act and a great bloke, even though he bled all over the living room couch when he crashed at ours after a local gig.

haha. that's a great image.

Justice is a whole different kettle from GG.
For one thing, he makes some cool and creative music.
Never seen him live, but the footage I've seen, he doesn't seem deliberately confrontational. People get freaked out by all the blood, but it's not like he's throwing his shit at them or trying to start fights.....

answer here is eric clapton, apparently

he's a cunt!

No-one's mentioned Whitehouse so far and they are still putting out albums that are plenty anti-social, aggressive, belligerent and extreme.

― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Friday, 19 November 2010 13:59 (42 minutes ago)

I don't see them as a particularly offensive band like Anal Cunt or Whitehouse or Costes

― sarahel, Wednesday, November 17, 2010 1:21 PM (2 days ago)

just sayin'

Camille Paglia is on record as finding Lady Gaga offensive. just sayin

dude too late thirdalternative appears to have gone :(

Maybe these vids belong on that other thread? ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1lFpyMYDhs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xKdKaAjw-o

So, the flipside to these questions is, "When did music stop being offended by society"?

What musicians are out there right now that are just fucking outraged?

Wow, there is just nothing more boring than Whitehouse.

saw whitehouse with wolf eyes in like 2006 or so? 2005? insanely boring. plus the most ridiculously pretentious group of fans i've ever encountered at a concert of any any kind, ever. bun dem.

"What musicians are out there right now that are just fucking outraged?"

nintendo wiinage riot?

apparently Gene Simmons from KISS is a fan of AIDS Wolf

that sentence makes no sense to me. the words are all okay, but when you put them together, something goes wrong.

hope they do an album together

justice makes some cool sounds, i do give him that. didn't have the chance to talk to him or anything, but he definitely is more legit than my description indicated

He does - I remember it sounding like rly dark jungle basslines one time </coolstorybro>

Why does the Whitehouse song (and possibly album?) use the artwork for System Shock 2?

cuz it's some stupid fan video?

^feeling this DN

http://gossiponthis.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/lilb.jpg

rain in england is hella offensive, but only if you spent money on it

haha otm

saw whitehouse with wolf eyes in like 2006 or so? 2005? insanely boring. plus the most ridiculously pretentious group of fans i've ever encountered at a concert of any any kind, ever. bun dem.

^^^ I think I probably would have loved this show

b's facial expression in that shot is extremely rare and based

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqzNiOFSpF0

AIDS Wolf just announced they have broken up

i was pretty offended by how shitty aids wolf was when i saw them.

but someone told me they are better now.

Yes. It frustrates me how true this is and how difficult it was to convince people it was the case.

2004?
http://www.discogs.com/Morsgatt-Butt-Mud/release/2924765

1 Anal 1 0:39
2 Nudist Razor Rape 1:52
3 Anal 222 0:36
4 Mongo Mosh 2:17
5 Butt Mud 2:58
6 Anal Anal Anal 0:30
7 Gastric Influenza 0:09
8 Shit On Her Clit 1:11
9 Anal 44 0:23
10 Horney Chicken Joints 2:04
11 Anal 5 0:07
12 Vulva Violator 1:33
13 Anal 666 0:20
14 Moray Masturbation Massacre 0:49
15 Anal 77 0:21
16 Whip You With My Old Shit Klister Hose 2:11
17 Anal 8 0:19
18 Cadaveric Gang Bang 0:39
19 Anal 969 0:10
20 Anal Armageddon 3:14
21 Attila 4:56
22 Dickcheese 2:44
23 Cheers Fuckface 2:32
24 Shit Explosion 0:33
25 Asses On Fire 0:38

o god that cover, lol

Has the band Jonbenet Ramsey been mentioned yet? Titles/lyrics here:

http://www.metallyrica.com/j/jonbenet_ramsey.html

"I've got it guys! We'll be an obvious rip-off of Anal Cunt, but with a pedophilia fixation! It's just the hook we need!"

lol @ "I Violently Masturbated To The Adventures Of Milo And Otis"

lol @ In The Incantation Song The Ibex Moon It Sounds Like They Say "Itchy Turtle"

this is still rap music by the way. people who hate rap music REALLY hate rap music and are completely offended by it when they hear it. millions of people in this country. young and old. i hear it all the time from people who come in my store. even people who listened to it when they were younger sound like santorum when they talk about what is out there now.

i never got this in DL's original post either:

"Seems that most extreme metal/noise/hip-hop/techno etc has a certain artistic direction or nuance that stops it from being simply loud and offensive for pretty much the sake of it... thoughts?"

i mean there is tons of music with very little nuance and that is loud and offensive for the sake of it.

a lot of this thread is about offensive music that never actually offends anyone because only fans of the music hear it. well i'm here to tell you rap is heard by a lot of people and people you never would have thought had vague KKK-ish tendencies all of a sudden have them when the subject of rap comes up.

yeah sure, but again, possible difference between "the most self-consciously volatile/abstruse/offensive music around" and whatever racists happen to froth about. not saying that rap can't be both...

i would say that there is a good percentage of popular rap that is self-consciously offensive. and that is volatile. i forget what abstruse means.

I think any latter-day merzbow attempting to be offensive on just a purely sonic level would find themselves outclassed by the arsenal and one-upsmanship of digital gadgetry at the disposal of any modern pop producer.

if you turn up a modern rock or nu-metal cd really loud merzbow is like OWWW! MAKE IT STOP! MY EARS! a victim of compression.