Search and destroy: Neil Young

Destroy: the other half of DECADE.

Destroy : Time Fades Away, plus loads of records that I have no intention of buying to make sure they stink more.

Better than you'd think : Re-ac-tor, Trans.

DESTROY: A lot of his later stuff probably. "Arc Weld" sounded like a self-indulgent rockfest to me, however much John Peel adored it.

search: everyone knows this is nowhere, after the gold rush

i probably dunno enough about neil to suggest what to destroy without being crass and just saying "everything." though, hey, how about destroying that grunge thing?

Destroy: Sleeps with Angels, and most of the CSN&Y wank, except Our House of course ;)

Destroy: his 80s stuff/Harvest

Would he be better if he didn't sing like a constipated eunuch? Or is that part of the charm?

If you like Harvest, you might also want to check out Comes a Time, which is also country- and folk-flavored. Kinda gets lost because it was released in between Zuma and Rust Never Sleeps, but it's pretty good & a genuine sleeper.

I've been on a big Neil kick lately, one which will probably reach it's apex when I manage to get my grubby paws on a copy of "On the Beach", one of the only Neil albums I haven't heard (the others being "Everybody's Rockin" and "Landing on Water").

However, "After The Goldrush", "Harvest" and "Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere" are great. Out of his later material, "Harvest Moon" is the one sounding more like Young at his best than any of the others.
"On The Beach" is also great, but that one you will have to seek using Kazaa, as all searching for it in CD shops will be in vain.

Destroy: "Everybody's Rockin'", "This Note's For You" and the overrated "Tonight's The Night"

What's a "CD"? I've been using these flat black round things that make noise when you put a needle on them.

I'm not really a fan. But those are all good albums, I mean I don't see how he ever much improved on "Cinnamon Girl," what an ace riff. As usual, I have to roundly disagree w/Geir: CSNY is an abomination unto the Lord. Buffalo S. is good.

In which case, you may find "On The Beach" in some used store, only it will costs you for sure. :-)

Why isn't "On The Beach" available on high quality bootlegs like the stereo versions of the first Beatles albums are?

this is very not actually true. just like it seem geir likes to be. I found a CD! bootleg copy in atomic records in milwaukee and it wasn't too expensive. allyC has a proper looking [covers, disc printed on, etc.] copy from some german label.

I alternate between Tonight's the Night and On the Beach being my favourite--they are both incredible.

Rust Never Sleeps, too. Zuma in parts. Everybody Knows This is Nowhere is very good, also.

I have yet to pay enough attention to the buffalo springfield album allyC insisted I buy.

Honegro, will you please shut up. Your a parasite sucking the life out of any conversation.

the one and only best thing Neil Young has ever done

I paid $7 Canadian for mine (the dollar was worth a little more then, but not much), and that was the most I ever saw it go for. The only "proper" album I've ever bought that has artwork on the interior of the jacket.

I'd like to throw in a good word for one of the sides of Hawks & Doves (the "Folk" side, not the awful "Country" side), cuz no one else will.

destroy: harvest (exc. 'a man needs a maid') and after the goldrush (exc. actually listening to it.)

has anyone ever notcied how much wany coyne sounds like teh neil jong?

Destroy: Nothing. Though I wouldn't recommend stuff like Everybody's Rockin', Are You Passionate?, Old Ways and Long May You Run ... they stand as fascinating miscalculations.

hrm.

xxxpost Albuquerque is so beautiful

iirc there's supposed to be an Archives series release covering the El Dorado/Times Square era, but you know, who knows when and if it ever comes out

yeah there's something Neil's referred to as AMAZING FREEDOM (lol) which covers the 1988-89-ish period. I think it'll probably end up being a disc on a future archives box. there was a sneak preview of "fuckin' up" with the SNL band a little while back, sounded killer.

amazing freedom is too funny

omg @ Amazing Freedom.

When's Lionel Dreams being released?

So I think there's something to "Chrissie Hynde and Crazy Horse," along with other mentions of Crazy Horse in comments on Bandcamp page for Rosali's 2021 No Medium---although she doesn't emphasize the tremolo like Hynde w Pretenders, sounds more like the Hynde Dylan covers set, also doesn't warble like Neil (and this CH, provided by "members of the David Nance Group." and sometimes War On Drugs dude. on good piano and organ, is kept on a medium-sized leash, no caveman stomps, though vivid enough)--but mainly I'm struck by how she can indeed produce some striking Young Neil-worthy vocal melodicism, esp, on opener and closer: can even be--exquisite, yeah I said it. Maybe too much of the same thing at medium tempo etc., but more to choose from for keepers---just see what yall think: https://rosali.bandcamp.com/album/no-medium

omg @ Amazing Freedom.

to be followed by Glorious Ragged Glory

Rosalie is great

David Nance Group probably comes closest to capturing the Crazy Horse vibe of any band on the planet right now, great records, amazing (freedom) live

Yeah that Rosali album is really great, definitely Crazy Horse vibes all over that (as ums points out, due to Nance's group backing her up).

Times Square could have been a pretty good album but the sequencing is insane. "Cocaine Eyes" is the album opener of all openers; to put it next-to-last like that is something only Neil would pull. I would probably sequence it like this:

Cocaine Eyes
On Broadway
Crime In The City
Someday
Box Car
Don't Cry
Heavy Love
Wrecking Ball
Eldorado

Pleasant surprise, I actually like the new one quite a bit. It's a really good "old master" record, what I would realistically hope from someone of Neil's stature who's also closer to 80 than 70. At that age with so much work from the previous decade setting expectations, it's unlikely Neil's going to bust open a lot of new territory, and just physically he's not going to be raging like he was 50, 40, 30 years ago. An A- seems more about right, but xgau isn't far off either.

Will have to check it out, esp. since I've been listening more to Rosali, who now sounds even cooler, like Hope Sandoval, or even Karen Carpenter--times Crazy Horse, yes, and it's a fine balance, and I no longer wonder it's too much of the same thing: there are fine differences, as they continue to get their groovy groove on, across the prairie, street, and Great Divide---yeah, some The Band slipping by toward the end, or at least, "Tender Heart" has a Young Neil-Richard Manuel touch, while getting psychedelicized--

Karen Carpenter and Crazy Horse--Where was that Christmas Special?

Here

Have we discussed the weird 420 reference on "They Might Be Lost"? I can see Neil not realizing what it is a weed thing and just calling out the time as 4:20 and I can equally see Neil making it as a pointed reference, who knows

I generally like the record more than I thought I would, though it sounds a little weird to me, the mix feels slightly off in a way I have a hard time articulating

Well, as ums pointed out the other day:

I used to attribute it to him quitting weed but I just looked and I guess he stared up back in 2019.

100% that's a weed reference. the venn diagram of people who tell large audiences people about honey slides and people who know about 420 is a complete overlap

I mean was pretty sure Neil was "420 friendly" it just is kinda of a jarring to hear him sing it

neil is definitely smoking plenty of pot in the BARN documentary. I think he says something like "I'm addicted!"

weed barn

Yeah--well, if I'm catching his mumble right, the uncertainty of this delay seems to have spread to "the jury's still out," and he can't remember what he forgot or something like that---now he's got me doing it----which is a good idea for a song: the book that's been sitting on the shelf since '85--right here between this one and this other one, the book I was probably gonna read over Christmas---is gone. Looking and looking for it and I QUESTION MY LIFE man
---But this song is just standing around and mumbling, not freaking out, not nothin much---maybe it's very very special weed, dusted with powdered elixir--maybe he paid very much up front and now it's gone solid gone---so, put out another deluxe from the vaults, recoup and reinvest, try again, so what.
Several others just seem like run=throughs, low-impact stylistic exercises, despite the evident, also predictable, sincerity---but cherrypickin' tyme is no surprise, and I do find freshness, of little turns and sufficient definition, even some flair, as written and played, in "Change Ain't Never Gonna Come," "Shape of You," "Tumblin' Through The Years, "Welcome Back,"---that's my fave---and "Don't Forget Love." "Camerican" is pretty good stylistic exercise. but ends soon and abruptly, like several others

a lot of the fade outs on this record are weird and abrupt

...“We have recently found a collection of originals from 1987 named Summer Songs at the time of recording,” Young explains on his website. “That time was about 35 years ago. We are not sure of the exact original dates of these recordings yet. They were all given the same date in the NYA Vault’s records, but they all have a very similar unique sound. To give you an idea of place and time, Farm Aid and the Bridge School Concerts had just begun their long runs.”

“This group of songs had just been written and put down in the studio at Broken Arrow (as far as we can figure),” Young continued. “We cannot completely be sure of the engineer who was recording these, and I don’t remember the sessions at all! Every song in the collection was with acoustic guitar or piano and simple added embellishments — sketches of arrangements we made to preserve the initial ideas.”

“These originals were first introduced in their final master versions on the albums Freedom, American Dream, Psychedelic Pill and Harvest Moon. They will be included in NYA Volume 3 and may be released as a separate Archive album before that. It is a beautiful listen, created over a short period of time, that influenced four albums.”

Young provided the list of songs that will appear on the new release: ‘The Last of His Kind’, ‘For the Love of Man’, ‘American Dream’, ‘Name of Love’, ‘Someday’, ‘One of These Days’, ‘Hangin’ on a Limb’ and ‘Wrecking Ball’. Young also adds that “The words of these originals are significantly different from their subsequent master album releases in many cases. Several completely new and unheard verses are found in the songs of this collection.”

Summer Songs doesn’t yet have a release date, as research is still going on to decode some of the information regarding the sessions. Still, you can listen to the later versions of some of the album’s tracks as they appeared on future albums and live performances down below.
from https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/neil-young-to-release-lost-album-summer-songs/

Archive subscribers can listen to at least some of it, dunno how much.

Another list but some pretty good writing:

https://uproxx.com/indie/neil-young-best-songs-ranked/

Hyden is good at hiding a reasonable piece of criticism in the form of a list.

I'm laughing now at the thought of a Neil novice checking him out on the basis of the list and the first thing they hear is 9 minutes of "T-Bone".

Well he's completely wrong about "T-Bone", that guitar tone is monumental.

I'm laughing now at the thought of a Neil novice checking him out on the basis of the list and the first thing they hear is 9 minutes of "T-Bone".

― Halfway there but for you

I wish that had been the case when instead I heard goddamn "Tell Me Why"!

aw I love tell me why :(

Tell Me Why fuckin rules

maybe his best opener

hyden and i just experience music in entirely different ways (thankfully). i can't imagine listening to "tell me why" and thinking "he sure is showing those suckers cs&n"

Tell Me Why is incredible.

Everyone on this thread needs to hear his 1987 medley "Tell Me Why (That I Got Mashed Potatoes But Ain't Got No T-Bone)"

why does he start a list and then start another list going in the other direction within the list?

That seems like an appropriate format for Neil Young

hyden and i just experience music in entirely different ways (thankfully). i can't imagine listening to "tell me why" and thinking "he sure is showing those suckers cs&n"

― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Thursday, April 4, 2024 1:24 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol for real

No motion pictures for carrie

No credibility

That's a favourite of mine that didn't make his top 100. Also "Will to Love" and "Last Dance".

That seems like an appropriate format for Neil Young

that's kind of what I thought too. of course, to really do this in true Neil style, he would have to publish the list in two parts and constantly push the publication of the second half in favor of continual updates/rewrites to entries in the first half.

hyden and i just experience music in entirely different ways (thankfully). i can't imagine listening to "tell me why" and thinking "he sure is showing those suckers cs&n"

― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Thursday, April 4, 2024 1:24 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol for real

not that it matters because it's just hyden doing a glib rockcrit thing, but the first live performances of "tell me why" were with CSNY. They probably had a little something to do with the arrangement on the harmony that ended up on the record

He'd publish the second half of the list first, abandon the first half, then release three collections of drafts of the second list featuring several unreleased tracks from the first list.

oh man, everyone OTM about tell me why, one of my favorite songs period

Only two notes, really:

1) No "Cocaine Eyes" is the difference between me and Hyden, and our definitions of the verb "to rock," in a nutshell;

2) The version of "Like a Hurricane" on Live Rust is better than the version on Weld.

definitely not denying that his time with csn influenced the harmonies on that record and his approach to harmonies in general. hyden's particular flavor of bill simmons-y music is sports brain is just nails on chalkboard to me

me as well, I totally agree with you and was trying to take a shot at hyden's tossed-off received wisdom brainlessness, but i probably wasn't being clear there

just gotta chime in, on team "tell me why" 100%

me too, although at this point it's hard to say i don't have a pavlovian response to it, since it heralds yet another time i get to listen to one of my very favorite records

"Cocaine Eyes" is in my top ten Neil Young songs."

Re "Tell Me Why": I've grown to like it but it...took a while. I needed Zuma to loosen me up.

was it hard to make that arrangement with yourself?