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i just fancy canvassing your opinions on these 'techno dinosaurs' - i always loved them as a kid - they were making the best 'dance music you could think to' and vice versa at the time setting many a trend for the following decade. unlike their more faceless peers (Shamen and KLF excepted) they did actually want to be in the charts and did well to get in the Top 10 with unconventional (at the time) yet accessible tracks like 'pacific (hey its a clarient melody in an acid house track, radical!) and 'cubik' (hey its an electric guitar solo in an acid house track, radical!)...also were among the first to work with proper vocalists (helping to propel Bjork to global stardom in the process), dared to remix the likes of Bowie, R.E.M. and later the Stone Roses and er, Rolf Harris - well i could write an essay about how great they were but for balance lets consider the negative aspects such as terrible miming on Top Of The Pops, the affiliation with the dubious MC Tunes (is The Only Rhyme That Bites shite?), the commercial and - arguably - artistic flops that were every album after 'Ex:El', the spat that drove out original member A Guy Called Gerald (tho this did enable him to go on and co-invent jungle with Shut Up & Dance) and the general feeling that they never quite lived up to what they could promise, or maybe they did - what you say?

― blueski, Monday, 19 August 2002 21:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Pacific State was a choon. Ant eard any a tothers.

― Rick, Tuesday, 20 August 2002 07:03 (twenty-three years ago)

"Pacific State" changed my life. It was definitely my before and after tune at the time.

― Scott, Tuesday, 20 August 2002 11:50 (twenty-three years ago)

'don solaris' is ace.
unlike anything else ever.
fantastic album, with ace
vocals from james bradfield
and louise outoflamb.

― piscesboy, Tuesday, 20 August 2002 12:28 (twenty-three years ago)

808 State is classic through and through. Every album they've put out is strong and wonderful, with _Gorgeous_ as my current fave (how can you say no to something with "Colony", Southern Cross", "Moses", "Plan 9", "Timebomb" and "Orbit" on it?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 12:55 (twenty-three years ago)

> 808 State is classic through and through.
Agreed.

But Ex:El remains my favourite. Sort of weird futurist techno jazz-fusion, with a really alien feel, yet tropical and ethnic sounding at the same time.

Gorgeous is lovely sounding, but lacks depth, and it sounds like they're on auto-pilot in a few places.

Don Solaris has some pretty amazing stuff on it, but is that wee bit more conventional sounding than Ex:El. Best track has to be "Joyrider".

What really amazes me about Ex:El, is they've manged to create an album which sidesteps so many electronic music cliches by, utilising jazz; seeking out idiosyncratic synth patches (it's all chimes and drones, rather than the typical sawtooth pads and acid squelches); and clever use of 'real' instruments (clarinet and sax rather than the power chords favoured by The Shamen/KLF etc).

And the MC Tunes stuff wasn't *that* bad ;-)

― McGazz, Tuesday, 20 August 2002 14:04 (twenty-three years ago)

glad you agree :) excuse my devil's advocacy

― blueski, Tuesday, 20 August 2002 21:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Classic to the bone. Love flo-coma on Newbuild. Quadrastate and 89/90 classic techno LPs I can listen to over and over...

― richee, Wednesday, 21 August 2002 02:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Perhaps there are some socio-cultural British aspects about them I missed, but I've always been puzzled why they were so revered (esp. in Britain). They never sounded very exciting to me - nice, well produced tunes in all kinds of styles but never really good.

― Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 12:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Wow Siegbran, you listened to "Pacific" and "Boneyween" and didn't instantly think they were brilliant? You're a harder man than I am.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 12:06 (twenty-three years ago)

siegbran that depends on when you heard them perhaps. maybe some of their material sounds dated now but only in the same way that Kraftwerk or early Orbital stuff does. then again a lot of 808's work is more sophisticated than either of the two aforementioned acts whilst retaining the same ideas and characteristics (esp. things like 'Lift' and 'Olympic' from the 'Ex:El' album) due to the use of melodies and progression through the tracks (e.g. they do not end in the same way as they start). but a track like 'Cubik' was blowing people's heads off in clubs at the time in the same way that tracks like 'Chemical Beats' would a few years later.

― blueski, Friday, 23 August 2002 18:23 (twenty-three years ago)

(I'm so sorry, you had me right up until you mentioned the sophistication of "Lift"; that track is the weakest thing they ever did!)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 August 2002 18:40 (twenty-three years ago)

no way! i love the bit when the electric guitar drifts in, nice use of feedback. i find it so evocative - beautiful stuff....of course you dont get in the version that actually came out as a single but that was bit funkier so thats ok

weakest thing 808 State ever did is 'Crash' - the appalling track tacked onto their greatest hits...

― blueski, Friday, 23 August 2002 19:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not sure if it's their best release, but I have a sentimental attachment to "Ninety", which seems to be one of the few attempts to really create an English definition of acid house, in the sense that it seeks to capture the swirly blissful feel of actually being on ecstacy (cf. "proper" acid house, which certainly goes well with drugs but is hardly universal-joy material). Songs like "Ancodia" especially - the swirly proto-trance-meets-blissout-meets-exotica textures, the zippity-zappity rhythmic flourishes of the overwound 808 drum machine, the general sense of clumsy, self-conscious openhearted generosity.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 24 August 2002 11:03 (twenty-three years ago)

which is odd cos i never tried ecstasy yet always identified well with their music and found it very inspiring. 'Ancodia' is a strange beast but i love the way they strain that Thelma Houston sample with a Speak & Spell over the plodding electro groove and those mysterious synth notes. also consider 'Sunrise' which is surreal, dynamic, menacing, exotic (even alieneqsue), melancholic and hugely atmoshpheric thanks again to the melodious sequences so wonderfully employed by Massey and co.

― blueski, Saturday, 24 August 2002 13:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I think blueski you can get the idea as much from reading about Ecstacy as trying it - I'm interested in the music from a stylistic perspective, not a physiological one.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 25 August 2002 01:01 (twenty-three years ago)

indeed (blows on his bubble-pipe)

― blueski, Monday, 26 August 2002 17:51 (twenty-three years ago)

seven months pass...

thread-revival: I can't find anything on their latest album, "Outpost Transmission", anywhere on ILM. Overlooked? I ask this because I downloaded the gorgeous "606" (vocals by Simian?) from stevem's tunes-page. Anyone heard this and/or the album?

― willem (willem), Thursday, 3 April 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I heard "606" and went SWOOOOOOOOOOOON. I know nothing about the album.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 April 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i got the album - it has its moments, stuff like 'Suntower' is very much like the 'Don Solaris' material - i'm not as into that side of things from them. 'Lemonsoul' is not bad, features the bloke from Elbow on vocals. there are a lot of tracks on it and i haven't quite given it enough listens but its a pretty typical album by the band as they have been for the last 7 years really.

http://www.808state.com/news/news.htm has more details, and they do put a lot of tunes up for people to download as well - esp. demos, live stuff, unreleased shit, bonus tracks from Japan-only editions etc. - top geezers still

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 3 April 2003 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanx stevem! [btw. that page of yours turned out to be a real find for me: Plone, Audio Bullys; never heard (of) them before: terrific stuff!]

― willem (willem), Thursday, 3 April 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

glad u like willem - i just hope the feds arent onto me yet...

my Pick 10 Only:

Pacific (all 18 or so versions of it)
Cubik
Olympic (Flutey mix)
Ski Family
Lift
Sunrise
Azura
Planet Rock remix (cos it sounds just like Plan 9)
Cobra Bora (Call The Cops mix)
Qmart (ft Bjork)

hardest POX i'll ever compile tho

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 3 April 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Er, Flow Coma is a no-brainer, right?

― Lukas (lukas), Thursday, 3 April 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

classic. one of my favprite band names also.

― kephm, Thursday, 3 April 2003 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic, although 2 of them did work at the rip-off scam "sound-engineering" college I went to for a while.

Some of my fondest memories are of being in one of my brothers friends cellars aged about 13 whilst he DJ'ed 808 State and loads of other stuff and people from all over the country "partied down". I didn't figure out why they were all so friendly for years and years.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 3 April 2003 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

eight months pass...

Don Solaris! What a weird album.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 December 2003 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i only really like the first half, the second half seems more 'go nowhere' to me. 'Bird' is quite something, 'Bond' was an extraordinary grower, 'Azura' i loved from the start of course, 'Lopez' is a bit weak perhaps, but there's always the Propellerheads mix, 'Balboa' are pretty cool, 'Joyrider' i could never make my mind up on, half Balearic brilliance, half 80s British Airways advert.

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 18 December 2003 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't heard it in ages, but I seem to remember it having some weird cover art. *googles*

Aaaaah, yes! Here we go...

http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drd000/d055/d055538d407.jpg

Hahahahahaha!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 December 2003 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Cock of the North.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 December 2003 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

Man I'm listening to it now and forgot how great 'Reaper Repo' is.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 20 July 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

it's all about Cubik, innit?

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 20 July 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

No love for "10 x 10"???

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Thursday, 20 July 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

right here

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 20 July 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Ex:el (or however it's spelled) is one of my touchstones. They're also one of the few acts I've seen at least five times.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 20 July 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

xpost: HOORAY

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Thursday, 20 July 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

i always remember "state ritual" as played on jeff young's big beat and john peel as one of my earliest exposures to house.

― michael wells (michael w.), Thursday, 20 July 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

Don Solaris is always $0.99 on eBay, at any given time. It's not bad. It's really good, actually; go buy it now. But ex:el, and most especially Newbuild... oh man. A tad dated, sure, but C C C!!!!!!

― less-than three's Christiane F. (drowned in milk), Thursday, 20 July 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

six months pass...

I have the cassette of 808 Utd. State 90 and it's surprising how much I still play this thing compared to my other cassettes. "Ancodia" is a personal fave, but I always play the first side in its entirety. I guess I should try harder to make it over to the other side now and then.

― MY NAME IS FREEZER BURN (Bimble...), Sunday, 11 February 2007 16:57 (eighteen years ago)

Does anyone have "Pacific Break"? I only ever saw it on vinyl (and possibly cassette) versions of the Tommy Boy 12"

― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:18 (eighteen years ago)

I have it on cassette...it's pretty worn out after all these years...I've also been seeking it on CD...pure bliss...

― henry s, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:46 (eighteen years ago)

I seem to recall a Frankie Bones credit on that particular mix.

― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:47 (eighteen years ago)

Aren't they rereleasing all the early stuff?

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:48 (eighteen years ago)

Not sure, but this particular mix is exceedingly rare (and wonderful). I've never found a digital copy.

― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:53 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

OMG OMG I just ordered the "Opti Buk" DVD from ZTT's webshop (6gbp shipped WORLDWIDE) and I am soooooooo excited!!

― Stevie D, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 06:20 (eighteen years ago)

the old gig footage (G-Mex i guess) on the DVD is pretty cool. the videos are all kinda lame tho heh.

― blueski, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 09:57 (eighteen years ago)

I was bumping Utd State 90 a week and a half ago and it's startling how that album still feels urgent and fresh everytime I hear it. The transition from "Pacific" to "Boneyween" is one of the greatest things ever.

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 12:09 (eighteen years ago)

God, Ex:el is so brilliant. Somehow I managed to see them three times in their heyday.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 12:34 (eighteen years ago)

one thing that annoys me about Ex:El is the slight cross-fading of tracks - some of them start just before the previous track has finished.

― blueski, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

I owe 808 State for uncorking the deep mysteries of Bernard Sumner.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

I saw them three times, too! So awesome.

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

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I'll raise you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykIA2ddd8Bo

― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:07 (fourteen years ago)

unambiguously one of the greatest songs ever recorded

― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:10 (fourteen years ago)

such a massive, monstrous, bludgeoning song

if you can't get your head knocked around by those bass subs and that beat, you really are dead inside

― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:11 (fourteen years ago)

sometimes I think this song is the justification of the ride cymbal

― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS2hOFNWqPY

I remember vividly hearing this for the first time in 1990 and basically being like "YES ALL MUSIC SHOULD SOUND LIKE THIS"

― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:15 (fourteen years ago)

Wow, there are a lot of people on this thread with absolutely terrible taste in electronic music.

Gerald Simpson was the only member of 808 State with any talent and they never did anything worth listening to after he left. GS had a great post-808 solo career, while they just carried on with utterly half-baked funkless dreck.

― casanova808, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:46 (fourteen years ago)

808:90 is great — EX:EL is okay, kind of boring

― =(^ • ‿‿ • ^)= (corey), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:48 (fourteen years ago)

in what universe is it impossible to like both A Guy Called Gerald and 808 State

― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:48 (fourteen years ago)

yeah, they aren't that freakin' different

― =(^ • ‿‿ • ^)= (corey), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:48 (fourteen years ago)

also lol @ randomers first post saying everyone has bad taste, good start

― =(^ • ‿‿ • ^)= (corey), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:50 (fourteen years ago)

If you're looking for funk, clearly you aren't looking for 808 State, whose entire steez is built around taking mechanized stomp to the most emotional place possible; the entire point is that they are finding emotion in stiff rigidity and you kind of have to be trying to miss that.

― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:51 (fourteen years ago)

Then again, I was once emotionally 18 so I really shouldn't be too hard on the little guy with the ironic name.

― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:51 (fourteen years ago)

Gorgeous is a great album.

― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:16 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3xPTPaEnmw

― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:17 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv9oWNRYrOQ

― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:18 (fourteen years ago)

I can't find "Southern Cross" very easily on Youtube ;_;

― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:20 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d4nIfGe1UQ

i rest my case

― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:20 (fourteen years ago)

Wow, it's like second rate Orbital!

― casanova808, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:38 (fourteen years ago)

Also, camping out in clowntown for a decade doesn't mean your opinions hold any weight. xpost corey

― casanova808, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:40 (fourteen years ago)

I got Gorgeous and Orbital Green right around the same time. Still think Gorgeous is the better album. Belfast is the best thing on either but i'd rather listen to Gorgeous than Green.

― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:44 (fourteen years ago)

xp i'm sure lots of ppl are impressed by yr impeccable taste but "clowntown" doesn't need you

― =(^ • ‿‿ • ^)= (corey), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 23:10 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

why did I wait until today to listen to Outpost Transmission

I mean, it does have many of the problems of latter-day 808 State re: trend-chasing and a sense of lost vitality, but there is still a good chunk of beauty to be found there (a la "Long Orange (Testa)")

― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Thursday, 2 February 2012 17:18 (thirteen years ago)

two months pass...

http://open.spotify.com/user/djperry1973/playlist/5dRSDZ9YttPxipG4LwjGcY

I made a playlist of the Utd. State 90 track list since the album doesn't exist in that form on Spotify

― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:28 (thirteen years ago)

six months pass...

you know what track gets constantly underrated, is "Cobra Bora"

― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Thursday, 11 October 2012 15:11 (thirteen years ago)

two years pass...

Oof. Darren Partington has been jailed and the whole thing sounds atrocious.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/former-808-state-dj-locked-8409159#ICID=sharebar_twitter

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 January 2015 00:26 (ten years ago)

Holy shit! :/

― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Friday, 9 January 2015 22:11 (ten years ago)

one year passes...

tried listening to Newbuild in the car this morning and I used to love it SO MUCH but my gosh does it just sound like a bunch of noodley sketches w/o any actual songs. It's like an album made entirely of deluxe-edition bonus track demos.

― police patrol felt the smell of smoke and found that goat burns (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 20:52 (nine years ago)

I've never really gotten into Newbuild in and of itself; Utd State 90 served as a much better entry point into their world for me

― its subtle brume (DJP), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 21:06 (nine years ago)

otm, that and even Quadrastate

― police patrol felt the smell of smoke and found that goat burns (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 21:23 (nine years ago)

Quadrastate the near mythical sweet spot b/w Newbuild and Ninety IMO.

― Tim F, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 21:25 (nine years ago)

DJP did you ever hear this? omg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfM-BsBhmhw

― police patrol felt the smell of smoke and found that goat burns (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 21:26 (nine years ago)

three years pass...

this new 808 State album really feelin like one of those fake leaks you'd get on Kazaa back in the day

― frogbs, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 19:29 (five years ago)

Wasn't aware there was a new one. Will have to investigate, despite your discouraging (but likely accurate) description. Coincidentally, I pulled out he Cubik 12" last week and remembered how much I liked it.

― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 19:52 (five years ago)

one year passes...

They're finally putting all of the old singles with b-sides and mixes on Spotify and it's fucking glorious

"Open Your Mind (Open Mix)" for example: https://open.spotify.com/track/2doL5gTiCITQaMPIYfwUjV?si=oFksJTmsSI-rwVZ88MSg1w

― 80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Friday, 16 April 2021 14:25 (four years ago)

omg omg omg

― Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 16 April 2021 16:01 (four years ago)

It's been so patchy with them! For a while the 2CD deluxe editions were all on there, and then suddenly they weren't

― Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 16 April 2021 16:02 (four years ago)

two months pass...

also Don Solaris is massively underrated
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, January 18, 2011 3:57 PM bookmarkflaglink

I would like to point out that I was OTM in this thread

― an eco-conscious Music Box (DJP), Thursday, 24 June 2021 14:51 (four years ago)

Black Dartangnon is so dreamy I could listen to it forever

― Diggin Holes (Ste), Thursday, 24 June 2021 15:04 (four years ago)

i pretty much like everything they did up to gorgeous where i actually started with them and they pretty much lost me afterwards!

― xzanfar, Thursday, 24 June 2021 15:36 (four years ago)

four months pass...

Its with a heavy heart to inform you of the passing of Andrew Barker . "His family and friends asks that people respect their privacy at this time but remember him for the joy he brought through his personality and music. You’ll be sadly missed” pic.twitter.com/cPR8W3byJl
— 808 State (@state808) November 7, 2021

― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 7 November 2021 15:01 (three years ago)

i gave don solaris another chance for andrews sake but after the 20th listen now it is pretty much garbage but bond and azura are ok but that is not saying much!

― xzanfar, Sunday, 7 November 2021 19:29 (three years ago)

classy post

― Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 7 November 2021 19:57 (three years ago)

now i am listening to prebuild most is poor quality!

― xzanfar, Monday, 8 November 2021 00:29 (three years ago)

newbuild is fantastic though.

― toxic psycho "gifted child" asshole (RobbiePires), Monday, 8 November 2021 00:30 (three years ago)

not sure why rephlex put that out, newbuild is a perfectly formed document, all killer no filler. prebuild just sounds like outtakes, and it should have stayed that way. Curious enough for die hard acid heads like myself, but for historical purposes.

― toxic psycho "gifted child" asshole (RobbiePires), Monday, 8 November 2021 00:36 (three years ago)

yes everything from newbuild to gorgeous is great!

― xzanfar, Monday, 8 November 2021 00:36 (three years ago)

utd state 90 is the best after newbuild before exel

― xzanfar, Monday, 8 November 2021 00:42 (three years ago)

sad news. he used to work in eastern bloc in manchester circa 1990 when he was half of the spinmasters dj crew with darren partington. i used to buy records over the phone from eastern bloc. i'd phone up once a week and he'd play the latest belgian imports over the phone and i'd buy some, which nowadays seems an insane way to do record shopping. anyway, he was a lovely guy and would always refer to a particularly great belgian techno 12" as a "stormtrooper". i always got a kick out of that. gone too soon!

― stirmonster, Monday, 8 November 2021 02:40 (three years ago)

I saw them supported by K Klass and MC Tunes at Sheffield Octagon in '90 and was tripping at the time and it was a fun stupid night. Never really rated them that highly tbh but that memory was good!

― calzino, Monday, 8 November 2021 03:27 (three years ago)

Love that, stirmonster

They just finished a short UK tour as well. FFS only 53

― nashwan, Monday, 8 November 2021 09:33 (three years ago)

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