Chronicles of Rock..

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Seeing the numerous well informed individuals who make up this board compels me to ask: what books on the history of rock and its influential bands of the 70s 80s and 90s - do you recommend? (hows that for a sentence!). I came back to rock in the late 1990s (also Im only 26).. so I know very little of which bands are considered important and why. I would appreciate any insight into this..


insectifly, Tuesday, 20 August 2002 18:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I have to admit, the prospect of a book covering the 'important' bands of rock in the eighties and nineties sounds frightening.

"Music in the eighties was saved by only two bands, U2 and REM..." = ARGH!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 18:55 (twenty-three years ago)

The Trouser Press books are a good starting point, if a guide is what you're looking for. The contents of all the books is online now, so it won't even cost you anything (trouserpress.com). A good resource for indie/alternative-type rock stuff, anyway.

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 18:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Mark is actually right about that, but I was taking the question in a broader scale, I guess. Hmm...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 18:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I actually purchased a used copy of The Trouser Press Record Guide (4th Ed., of course).. online is cool, but I dont have internet access on the toilet - the source of most of my musical queries...

Ned- do expand- I mean, send me your All music reviews.. Im too lazy to print them out;)

Seriously though- no good books out there? At all?

insectify, Tuesday, 20 August 2002 19:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean, send me your All music reviews..

All of them? You're a crazy person. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 19:36 (twenty-three years ago)

[quote All of them? You're a crazy person. ;-) [/quote]

crazy like a fox! anyway, I do enjoy your All Music reviews.. i appreciate them-thanks

insectifly, Tuesday, 20 August 2002 19:45 (twenty-three years ago)

i suggest not reading books. i did (and still do). it's one of the worst decisions in my life: shoulda gone for punctum instead of studium (and obv study barthes better so i use his theories the right way). so uh trouser press guide, spin guide to alt music, rough guide (?), the wire primers and allmusic.com are all pretty rocking.

nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 19:45 (twenty-three years ago)

For good narratives, check out these:

Please Kill Me: The Uncensored Oral History of Punk, and

Our Band Could Be Your Life: Scenes from the American Indie Underground 1981-1991

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 19:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the "Great Alternative and Indie Discography" by Martin C. Strong, although I'm not sure its exactly what you're looking for. There's a book by the same man called "The Great Rock Discography" which includes more Big Bands (and covers all bases better) at the expense of some smaller bands. But it's 80% the same. It's a bit messy, but with intelligent opinions. Get either one of these.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 20:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I must confess, I enjoyed that Robert Palmer PBS Series 'Rock & Roll', I thought it was fairly well done and pointed me in some interesting directions I might not otherwise have considered. I don't think I need it now, but when I was 17 it seemed like a godsend.

Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 20:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Yer too kind, insectifly. :-) In the meantime, enjoy Nath's advice -- but also get some Chuck Eddy books. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 21:20 (twenty-three years ago)

I have to read books, Im a geek PhD. Cant help it.

Thanks everyone for the splendid suggestions- I will be sure to check them out.

The thing is, many bands whose sound I do not exactly enjoy have been cited as influences for bands I do enjoy, this makes me interested in them by one degree of separation. coming late to the genre (sidetracked by blues and classical) - I wanted to fill in the musical gaps, for bands who even though they might sound dated now, were (and still are) influential..that was my point..

well thanks again, eh.

insectifly, Wednesday, 21 August 2002 13:13 (twenty-three years ago)

let me tell you about rock

there is a song called OWNER OF A LONELY HEART on a record by YES that was called 90125 or something like that, the other songs on the lp arent as good but still ok

this band YES were very good in the seventies too with the song STARSHIP TROOPER but i dont have that record it was on

oh also in the eighties there was a band called THE HUMAN LEAGUE that had a record called DARE you should get

and a band called BRONSKI BEAT with the record THE AGE OF CONSENT

also in the seventies and eighties there was a band called FOREIGNER with great great hit singles COLD AS ICE, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT LOVE IS, and HOT BLOODED

oh also STYX, their GRAND ILLUSION record has their single COME SAIL AWAY and another record has DOMO ARIGATO MR ROBOTO

BOSTON were a pretty good band but all their songs sound like inferior versions of their hit MORE THAN A FEELING

in there nineties there werent as many good rock bands but one of them was NO DOUBT, their hits DONT SPEAK, JUST A GIRL, and SPIDERWEBS are all classic

also recently THE DANDY WARHOLS did BOHEMIAN LIKE YOU and LINKIN PARK are saving metal and hiphop at the same time so check them out

simon trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 13:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I think you forgot the apples in stereo, simon

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 15:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Simon, did you spell your surname right?

Roger Fascist, Wednesday, 21 August 2002 15:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Roger: I wish you were spelling yours wrong.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Simon- uh, I hope that was an attempt at being sarcastic and gaining friends.. if not- well um nevermind

insectifly, Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Come on, this is ILM -- where Yes is better than the Rolling Stones and words ending in "-er" are changed to end in "-ah" and magical pixies smoke wondermous hookahs filled with Grape Kool-Aid.

Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

you can only ride the 'ilm is so weird' thing so far, n8.

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 17:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Well I can certainly ride it further than YOU CAN RIDE MY ASS

Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 21 August 2002 17:27 (twenty-three years ago)

nate: don't push josh -- you don't know how far he'll go.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 17:28 (twenty-three years ago)

You're right. He could respond to EVERY SINGLE POST I EVER MAKE FROM NOW ON with a snotty aside. I'd better lie low.

Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 21 August 2002 17:35 (twenty-three years ago)

I was just thinking he could go and ride your ass. But yeah, the snotty aside thing could happen too. I guess.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 17:36 (twenty-three years ago)

obviously anyone who doesn't like rock music is CEEERAAAAZY right? obviously?

sticker I saw on a james brown CD:

"most influential black artist in the history of rock"

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 17:57 (twenty-three years ago)

to be honest n8 your defense mechanism of demanding remedial education is really effective, it makes me tired

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 17:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes was definitely better than the Rolling Stones in 1982.

Kris (aqueduct), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)

ouch!

what about 1996?

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 19:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Fuck if I know. I think I may have SEEN the Rolling Stones in 1996!

Kris (aqueduct), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 19:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Sterling: I guess you're out of luck huh.

Roger Fascist, Thursday, 22 August 2002 07:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Simon Trife is cool. His history of rock RoXOr.

alext (alext), Thursday, 22 August 2002 08:05 (twenty-three years ago)

some more recommendations:
Ego Trip's Book of Rap Lists (soon in stores: Ego Trip's Big Book of Racism! I can't WAIT!)
Generation Ecstasy, Simon Reynolds
I Wanna Be Sedated, Scott Woods & Phil Dellio (way out of print, but you can always try eBay...)
any of Robert Christgau's books

also, there's coming next year Heartaches by the Numbers: Country Music's 500 Best Singles, which as a certifiable List Freak I will be certain to thumb to death....

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 22 August 2002 08:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Search:

Trouser Press New Record Guide, Revised Edition (1989, American Version) - edited by Ira A. Robins

Trouser Press Record Guide, Third Edition (1991) - edited by Ira A. Robins

     Required reading.

The Collectors Guide to Heavy Metal (1997) - by Martin Popoff

     Funny, fierce and jam-packed.

Route 666: On the Road to Nirvana - by Gina Arnold

     Pop Thugs will roll their eyes, and Indie Thugs will weep copious tears of joy from theirs. Not so much a book as an Indie Thug Manifesto.

Virgin's Top 1000 Albums of All Time (1998) - Colin Larkin

     One mans loving tribute to his vast collection of vinyl and cds.

Rock Around the Bloc: A History of Rock Music in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union - by Timothy W Ryback

     Onscure but fascinating.

Stairway to Hell: The 500 Greatest Heavy Metal Albums in the Universe (1998) - by Chuck Eddy

     Hysterical, albiet not as informative as the Martin Popoff book.

Third Ear: Alternative Rock (2000) - by Dave Thompson

     5x better than the Spin Guide to Alt...and could've been 10x better if didn't have so many gaps.

Rock: An Unruly History by Robert Palmer (the musicologist, not the singer)

England's Dreaming - by Jon Savage (2001 Edition)

Generation Exstacy - by Simon Reynolds

     Preferably read in that order, these three are some of the most exhaustively researched and digestable condesations of pop|rock|indie|techno|electronica.

She's a Rebel: The History of Women in Rock and Roll - by Gillian G Gaar

We Gotta Get Out of this Place - by Gerri Hirshey

     Sisters are Doin' it For themselves. Hirsheys book is slightly better.

Illustrated History of Country Music - edited by Patrick Carr

     Very, very informative.

This is Reggae Music - by Lloyd Bradley

     so is this one.

Secret History of Rock: The Most Influential Bands You've Never Heard by Roni Sarig

Twentieth Century Rock and Roll: Alternative Rock - by Alan Cross

     Sarigs book is broader, Cross's is more detailed. Both make for a short, amusing read

Sex Revolts, The - by Simon Reynolds

     Art is not a mirror, art is a hammer.

Ranters and Crowd Pleasers - Punk in Pop 1977-92 - by Griel Marcus

     The only Griel Marcus book that sounds like it wasn't written under the influence of mind altering chemicals. He writes coherent paragraphs for a change!


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Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Thursday, 22 August 2002 18:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Staid choice, but the Rolling Stone Illustrated History of Rock & Roll (ed. by James Miller) has some great essays - an early Elvis essay by Guralnick, Marcus on the Beatles and UK punk, Bangs on the Doors, Christgau on Al Green, and best of all Nik Cohn on Phil Spector. You shouldn't miss it.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 22 August 2002 18:55 (twenty-three years ago)

six months pass...
I totally missed this thread until just now because I just did a search for "Come Sail Away". I miss Ethan even more now.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 8 March 2003 23:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm glad this got revived as I learned about that Heartaches by the Number book that Matos mentions. Looks interesting; apparently it just came out. There's a good review already up on Amazon.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 02:53 (twenty-three years ago)

There's a book by the same man called "The Great Rock Discography" which includes more Big Bands

You mean, Glen Miller, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Nelson Riddle...? :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 02:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, anyway, generally, those chronicles seem to be to thin when it comes to the post-punk age. They usually are great until around 1970, and also seem to have control over all the various genres that appeared in the 70s. But particularly, as far as the 80s go, well, Ned does have a point.

(Then again, of course the truth is that, while U2 and R.E.M. didn't need to save music in the 80s, Oasis and Blur certainly did so in 1995. :-) )

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 03:01 (twenty-three years ago)

50 Years of Rock Music in the Chambers Compact Reference is a must.

Sample quotes:
"All important British guitarists belonged to the Yardbirds"
"Very little thought went into the punk movement"
"Facile" (caption to a photo of Iron Maiden)

It is translated from French.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 04:48 (twenty-three years ago)


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