Oasis: When did you get off the bus?

The bus has an annoying hairy man on it and stinks of piss and shit. I'll get the next one.

i got off the bus circa 'whatever', causing, ahem, precious little fuss #cleverlyricalreferences

The bus appears to be full of fat ugly lager-swilling loud shouting drunken boors with the musical taste of a mollusc, think i'll walk.

thought of the day

the nme often seem to cover oasis

but in spirit, oasis seem remote from all but the most lumpen conor mcnicholas era indie

s'all

NME has weird reflex memory like I assume they still cover Morrissey even tho nobody but fat racist Teds has listened to him since 1985

yeah but they were once sympathetic bedfellows

oasis have always been fat racist teds

it's hard work staying more progressive than yr fans

THIS FUCKING COUNTRY: Rolling UK cultural pessimism

also why the hell does this thread exist.

Would imagine Oasis were until they split up an absolute banker in sales terms, even if the average age of their fans is probably the other side of 30 these days.

i've got friends who still buy records by oasis and that verve record when it came out and not a whole lot else

(((((((((mayne))))))))))

do a lot of them start polls on ILM?

also why the hell does this thread exist.

Because, come 2011, there will be no need to discuss Oasis ever again.

and yet there is now?

Dunno, is there a *need* to discuss anything?

some things

It's important to check there's no-one left on the bus, wouldn't want anyone locked up in the depot over christmas.

ilm is so awful in british hours

Don't Believe The Truth
Stop The Clocks

sort of doubt anyone's got off the bus between these

think they had a mass listenership through the second half the 90s and then it dropped away in a blink of an eye

Loved Definitely Maybe, liked What's The Story a lot, couldn't give a shit about anything else.

Dunno, is there a *need* to discuss anything?

― Mark G, Thursday, 16 December 2010 10:31 (2 minutes ago)

no i mean why does oasis disappear from discourse in 2011, when the subject is in rude health in 2010?

just yesterday i got into a summary discush in with a tibetan monk about the chord progression of 'some might say'

he couldn't speak english, but somehow we harmonized, all thru the panglossian gifts of oasis

"that were good, that"

sentiment transcends language tbh

not since the days of the Beatles heyday was there a band that placed themselves so central that other contemporary bands would define themselves by means of the differences between them and Oasis.

this seems... somewhere between reductive and just not true

I think there was a point maybe where any British band big enough to get, say, a page feature in the NME would be seen to 'have an opinion' on Oasis, but only because they'd inevitably get asked about it

Well, that's kind of what I was getting at, yes.

well as a lens to observe this 'phenomenon' through I feel like it's wilfully skewed, but fair enough

Passing interest during my teens for the first two albums. I actually remember kind of liking a number of songs off What's The Story (before the singles were being played on heavy rotation absolutely everywhere. Then I realised my silliness, and thankfully asked the driver to pull over two stops before Be Here Now.

it sorta feels like this band never existed, thankfully

Different Gear, Still speeding

this title isn't joeks bruv? huh.

Never could stand them.

Loved them until Be Here Now, particularly hated "D'Ya Know What I Mean". Gave up all remaining hope after "Lyla". Happened to see their last ever show (V Festival 2009), walked away in sorrow as they murdered "Live Forever".

In the bus depot near me there is the gutted shell of a bus (engine caught fire). Next time I see it, I'll imagine that it's the Oasis bus.

Liked the 1st album, thought the 2nd was OK but a let down, bought D'You Know What I Mean when it came out, thought it was fucking awful, that was it for me, off the bus for good since then.

These days the only song I don't skip when it comes up on shuffle is Slide Away. Still love that song, the best thing they ever did.

Heard the single 'Supersonic', thought it wasn't too bad (if a bit derivative), then saw them on TV and realised they were tossers.

I somewhat stopped having faith in them around "Heathen Chemistry". Still some nice songs, but it seemed Noel Gallagher was running out of them to a larger extent. Been buying everything and all, and I actually thought "Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants" was much better than its reputation, but the more recent stuff "rocks" too much and has too few of those anthemic ballads they are so great at.

i got off the bus circa 'whatever',

Whatever totes should have been a poll option

Standing ... was the last one I bought. Not heard any albums since. Only one i spin now & again is the first one, it still sounds great.

"Whatever" was a single. It's on the Masterplan.

Didn't it come out between What's The Story and Be Here Now though? Because that's specifically the point where I lost interest.

it came out between definitely maybe and what's the story. Christmas single it was.

Oh no, I just checked Wiki and I'm completely wrong.

The Masterplan did, though.

The Masterplan rounded up the last of Noel Gallagher's initial batch of songs and it was all downhill from there. It must be a weird experience to write all your best, most loved songs on the way up (1991-5) and then suddenly find yourself with your pockets empty just as expectations kick in.

I still think "Definitely Maybe" is a fantastic album. But somehow they lost their voice after that album, and became generic crap vendors.

somehow = tremendous alps of coke btw

It's weird that pretty much everyone rates the first album above the second one yet it still only has half as many sales. You'd think the people who went nuts over Morning Glory and packed out Knebworth etc would go back and buy the first album.

Copyright reasons.

Same reason that "Standing on the shoulder of giants" wasn't "Shoulders" as per the quote (and the £2 coin rim)

Shocked that Lex doesn't like Oasis. Next he'll be telling us he thinks Pulp are rubbish!

OH GOD I'D FORGOTTEN THAT SHOULDER OF GIANTS THING

I WANT TO KILL THEM AGAIN

STAB THEM

IN THE THROAT

No 'sic' required. Giants are quite large, therefore it should be possible to stand on one shoulder quite comfortably. Maybe even a whole band.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:18 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I think you'll find that Noel Gallagher himself admitted the mistake.

― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:22 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you can't stand on the shoulder of more than one giant tho

― blueski, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:22 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Oh I never bought Noel's 'mistake' tale.

My take is that they wanted to avoid copyright issues with stealing the slogan off pound coins.

― Mark G, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:24 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Change an 's', they can't sue.

Bit like changing one chord off 'Imagine' e.g.

― Mark G, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:25 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

should've used 'Da' instead of 'The'

― blueski, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:25 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Who would have sued them, the Royal Mint?

― Tom D., Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:27 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Or the estate of Sir Isaac Newton?

― Tom D., Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:27 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

If one giant is standing very near to another it might be possible to have one foot on the shoulder of each.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:27 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Possibly, yeah .xpost *2

They started putting copyright notices on bank notes comparitively recently.

― Mark G, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:28 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

For example, if forming a human pyramid (xp).

― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:28 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

If one giant is standing very near to another it might be possible to have one foot on the shoulder of each.

no because if they are giants and you are not, the distance between their shoulders would surely still be too great for you to be able to put one foot on both

― blueski, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:36 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Next album to be called "Even Dwarf Started Small"

― Tom D., Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:38 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"I See Us As Eight Albums And That's It"

― blueski, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:38 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

maybe there is a cult of giants who worship a ritualistic shoulder bone, and noel gallagher is rebelliously standing on it, risking life and limb in the name of rock and roll

― Just got offed, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:40 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

It could only possibly be correct if the giants were conjoined at the shoulder, and even then I'd ask the second opinion of a physician

― DJ Mencap, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:45 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

xpost Is that a Nicki Minaj line, Lex?

some people talk but never do they just runnin their mouth

"I See Us As Eight Albums And That's It"

― blueski, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:38 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Ha, only one short. Unless you count "Masterplan" in which case...

If one giant is standing very near to another it might be possible to have one foot on the shoulder of each.

yes but you'd still be standing on MORE THAN ONE SHOULDER

oh god this fucking band does my HEAD IN, it's such an indictment of the british public that they allowed their career to happen

The wisdom of crowds, Lex. The wisdom of crowds.

it's such an indictment of the british public that they allowed their career to happen

makes less sense than the shoulder thing

Lex is angry because a number of people like something he doesn't.

Well, there's only one way to find out!

Better title: Standing on the Shoulder/s of (a) Giant/s/...

'Heathen Chemistry' riled me more than 'shoulder'. Obviously the kind of meaningless bullshit that sounds deep to people who don't really know what words mean.

oh god this fucking band does my HEAD IN, it's such an indictment of the british public that they allowed their career to happen

― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 16 December 2010 16:07 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

yea but they right grate songs man!

got off the bus at Be Here Now but the 14 month run prior is a pretty amazing burst of songwriting

I got on the bus at the "Some Might Say" EP (BRILLIANT single and the b-sides are great too), that was the first and only time when I thought they were deserving of the hype. But I got right off the bus at the next stop, "Roll With It". Voted "Morning Glory", then.

they still cover Morrissey even tho nobody but fat racist Teds has listened to him since 1985

That's not true. Latinos listen to him.

'Repeatedly, On Separate Occasions, Standing On The Shoulders Of Many Different Giants'

I was hanging out of the door of the bus through the BHN era (Masterplan doesn't count b/c I already had those singles etc. when it came out) & took a flying leap onto the pavement when the 'Go Let it Out' single dropped.

I kind of liked them on the first album, they had this barrage of noise thing that was sort of viscerally thrilling if you turned it up loud enough, sort of like Slade, but not as good. Everything I heard by them from the second album onwards has this leaden stodgy half-assed awfulness about it that I cannot stand to listen to, really they are a monument to second-rateness in every way.

I would have loved it if they'd got their asses sued off for one of their many musical steals, dunno why that never happened.

um they were successfully sued at least twice - by Stevie Wonder and by Gary Glitter

Are you sure? I thought the only actually successful suit was the Rutles over Whatever. Weren't the others sorted before the album was released?

I'm pretty sure they didn't just willingly give credit to Leander on Hello and Wonder's writing team on Step Out out of the goodness of their hearts. it may not have gone to court, but I'm sure legal action was threatened/initiated.

I'm sure they copped to Hello in advance, probably at Sony's urging. I'd forgotten about Step Out. Wikipedia (from John Harris's book):

"One song, "Step Out", bore such a close resemblance to the song "Uptight (Everything's Alright)" by Stevie Wonder that it was removed from the album shortly before release due to the threat of legal action"

Think "How Sweet To Be an Idiot" was an Innes song not credited to the Rutles.

No hipster ever gave a fuck about artless thugs like Oasis, as you can see by this minuscule thread.

Sorry. My answer is morning glory . I spent good money on it. It weren't fantastic and neither was their debut. But listenable

After that, they were horrible. Truly fucking stinkingly shit. Twat dust and ego overload. Massive disaster

i got off the bus circa 'whatever'

That is when I realized they could make great pop singles and not just noisy screaming rock. The first sign of greater things to come.

oh, you mean you went back the way into their discography? Wise decision.

No, "Whatever" was the first single that actually sounded like the band they had always claimed to sound like. They then went on to make the great "Morning Glory" album, their only truly Beatlesque-sounding album, and thus also their best.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

isn't saying you got off the bus at the debut album the same as saying you were never on?! unless there's *eight people* who think that the first 4 singels were great and yet then they were *disaapointed by* an album that had those exact singles and also Slide Away, Cigarettes And Alcohol, Columbia and Rock N Roll Star. if so i cry "balls".

"Supersonic" was one of their better singles, actually.

pisces: I got off the bus at the cafe and enjoyed some french toast and a smoothie

I did not get off further down and go to the jelly-wrestling pub

with pillbox on this one.

'Setting Sun' w/ Chemical Brothers is probably best thing anyone in Oasis did

i dunno, i'd put liam's contrib to that death in vegas album up there

really shocked that so many people were listening to "Be Here Now"

isn't saying you got off the bus at the debut album the same as saying you were never on?!

No, the getting off the bus is a metaphor for saying that this was as far as you went.

A bit late to clarify this, I guess...

ummm... i voted "Be Here Now" because I never heard it.

i dunno, i'd put liam's contrib to that death in vegas album up there

The Status Quo ripoff?

The Oasis documentary is incredible

Haven't seen it yet, but doesn't it only go up to 1996?

I love Geir's reference to Oasis as "noisy screaming rock"

Have fond memories of that Oasis/Tar/Unsane Am Rep tour in 92

well it finishes at knebworth, their peak

also why the hell does this thread exist.

― Mark G, Thursday, 16 December 2010 10:29 (five years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was right about that.

It's funny you should say that... it took me 18 years from the release of Be Here Now to realise how much I liked them to begin with.