which newly ubiquitous female pop star do you di$like more?

Katy Perry wins this for Firework alone.

don't really dislike either now that they each have multiple songs i really like

KP. Ke$ha gas grown on me.

what, our #1 thread aren't enough -- you want more punishment?

Ke$ha is terrible. Katy Perry is tolerable.

^^

^

Katy Perry is terrible. K$sha is less terrible.

can you show your math on that one?

two divided by zero

does not compute

i mean, literally

KE$ha reminds me of every freestyle and Miami bass tart I grew up with, most of whom boasted at least one striking some. She's obviously outsold them all. I don't have to think about her that much -- she makes a noise I don't mind in the right mood, like listening to a vacuum cleaner or Metal Machine Music.

kesha @ #1 is like the triumph of l.a. myspace-whore "scene" idiots like mickey avalon and cisco adler. just the worthless party-all-the-time internet-and-coke trash of L.A. and i hope that state gets washed into the pacific. peace out

― i ben b bag all by myself (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:43 PM (11 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this post from the previous "newly ubiquitous" thread rings much truer to how i feel about ke$ha than alfred's associations

If only Katy Perry was "newly ubiquitous," that way I could pretend she might still be a flash in the pan

the worthless party-all-the-time internet-and-coke trash

eh they need representation in Congress too -- and I like the way Ke$ha snaps at vowels.

I refer to Alex in NYC's quote in the ICP thread "music made by idiots for idiots"

^ the above is also true with Kesha. Just terrible.

waking up in Vegas is a better song than anything ke$ha will ever do

"I Kissed a Girl" is better than anything Ke$ha will ever do and it's one of my most hated songs of all time.

alfred is implying that he is sometimes in the mood to listen to a vacuum?

KP has more better songs now, but i hated her circa first album & i feel like after "we r who we r" ke$ha might have a 'teenage dream' in her

voted for the big titty slut

KP has more better songs now, but i hated her circa first album & i feel like after "we r who we r" ke$ha might have a 'teenage dream' in her

yeah, I feel like a weirdly affecting rousing emo-pop anthem from k3$h4 is almost inevitable at this point.

alfred is implying that he is sometimes in the mood to listen to a vacuum?

LJ to thread!

the worthless party-all-the-time internet-and-coke trash

this is what i would like about ke$ha, were her music listenable. i actually feel like ke$ha is the more likely to make a song i like - she's just a change in producer and an autotune scrub away from that, really - but as it stands i just have this kneejerk repulsion to what her songs sound like.

and at least i don't read 1000-word screeds on why katy perry is the most important pop star in forever.

the worthless party-all-the-time internet-and-coke trash

what's bad about this?

One radio show I often end up listening to in the car on a sunday afternoon is this local countdown of "the biggest hits in hollywood", which is half celebrity gossip and half purportedly the biggest songs in mainstream LA clubs. It's basically all guetta and dr luke and "like a g6" and etc. and makes me wonder what it would be like to be totally into this stuff, like, as its own scene, rather than just as pop music generally.

alfred is implying that he is sometimes in the mood to listen to a vacuum?

once a week, usually on Saturday afternoons.

when do you humanize it?

http://paganmedia.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/joker-clapping.gif

Anyone but M.I.A. is tolerable in my book

ke$ha, she doesn't even seem like she's trying. plus katy perry is well fit, innit. hur hur.

*eye twitches* Whoever is marketed to make the recording industry money. Most of them emerged from the primordial ooze that was Britney's Blackout and Circus albums anyway.

those Britney albums didn't invent or even popularize any of the sounds or tropes they embody

I still can't get over my problem w/Ms. Perry that I had when "I Kissed A Girl" first came out: she started out as some youth minister daughter Christian teen pop shit, and then hits it big with some lezploitation hit. I realize she's not *still* trying to present herself as Your Singer For God, but, man, it just annoys me!

I mean she is still having xtianity related beefs from time to time and imo it's just NAGL for a pop star. you can't have it both ways!

KeS4ha has less likeable songs but she doesn't give me ideological rage.

what exactly is the problem, tho? i believed in jesus when i was a kid too. only difference is, she made some records about him.

Katy Perry is super cute.

she has a nice set of cans too

1. I realize it doesn't make that much sense
2. She is still saying shit like "Using blasphemy as entertainment is as cheap as a comedian telling a fart joke," which I expect to hear from my mom but not from a person who gave up a career as an xtian pop star – imo if she wants to opine on blasphemy, she should have stayed Katy Hudson, as it stands now she is trying to have her ejaculating cupcake of Christ and eat it too
3. It does lead to sites like this so at least that's hilarious

kesha @ #1 is like the triumph of l.a. myspace-whore "scene" idiots like mickey avalon and cisco adler. just the worthless party-all-the-time internet-and-coke trash of L.A. and i hope that state gets washed into the pacific. peace out

― i ben b bag all by myself (Whiney G. Weingarten)

^this is brilliantly written - and it convinced me to vote for Perry, cuz now I'm convinced Ke$ha is, like, zeitgeist-y or something

2. She is still saying shit like "Using blasphemy as entertainment is as cheap as a comedian telling a fart joke," which I expect to hear from my mom but not from a person who gave up a career as an xtian pop star – imo if she wants to opine on blasphemy, she should have stayed Katy Hudson, as it stands now she is trying to have her ejaculating cupcake of Christ and eat it too

― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Sunday, December 19, 2010 7:20 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark

oic, did not realise that she is still a christian!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkTdd4M53Jo

Ke$ha is terrible. Katy Perry is tolerable.

― o tannenbaum, o judge (crüt), Sunday, December 19, 2010 2:53 AM (18 hours ago) Bookmark

Hard to disagree with that.

ilxer and V. Voice contributor Maura Johnston re: Katy Perry

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2010/12/was_2010_the_be_8.php

perry is harder to avoid here, partly thx to russell brand - so her mainly on that basis.

keshas fake drunk voice is just so awful when u hear it

1. I realize it doesn't make that much sense
2. She is still saying shit like "Using blasphemy as entertainment is as cheap as a comedian telling a fart joke," which I expect to hear from my mom but not from a person who gave up a career as an xtian pop star – imo if she wants to opine on blasphemy, she should have stayed Katy Hudson, as it stands now she is trying to have her ejaculating cupcake of Christ and eat it too
3. It does lead to sites like this so at least that's hilarious

― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Sunday, December 19, 2010 2:20 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

she didn't change her stage name just to detach from her Christian rock career, there's y'know already someone pretty famous named Kate Hudson

1. I did not know that (I thought that's why she was called Katy Hudson not Kate Hudson)
2. It's still like some reverse Saul/Paul thing in my mind, even if that's not really how reality works

She is still saying shit like "Using blasphemy as entertainment is as cheap as a comedian telling a fart joke," which I expect to hear from my mom but not from a person who gave up a career as an xtian pop star

Or who married Russell Brand fer pete's sake.

She's probably Christian in the way some people are in that you never hear her talk about religion in a serious discussion or anything, and lives a very secular life, but picks and chooses convenient moments to all of a sudden pop up and rally around it (ie, getting mad that someone said 'goddammit' or something).

also does Ke$ha shower?

She's probably Christian in the way some people are in that you never hear her talk about religion in a serious discussion or anything, and lives a very secular life, but picks and chooses convenient moments to all of a sudden pop up and rally around it (ie, getting mad that someone said 'goddammit' or something).

If her family is super-Christian it's probably just that she wants to keep them on-side notwithstanding everything else she does. The most prosaic explanation for something is usually correct.

she's also hardly the first girl ever who's way into jesus but still dresses and/or acts kind of slutty

voted for the big titty slut

lol welcome back dude

why is does everything hurt?

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Abbbottt OTM. Katy's "I like to act kind of slutty sometimes but I'm still basically a good christian girl" infuriates me beyond belief. At least Ke$ha wears her trashiness proudly, and she never wrote a song as offensively dishonest as "I Kissed A Girl". Music-wise I only really like one song by each: Hot N Cold and We Re Who We R and I find both Perry's over singing as annoying as Ke$ha's mannerisms.

I just want people who pretend to embrace hedonism to also embrace godlessness (or at least the pretense of it) because it's a lot more fun that way imo!

Out of all Ke$ha's songs, We R Who We R is the one you like?

it's a good song

I guess

it seems so rushed and underwritten to me, especially the bridge in general and "so let's go-oh-oh, let's go!" specifically.

I agree with lex upthread. Ke$ha has the potential, buried in there somewhere under all the nonsense, to make good records. Perry is just on a downward slope of diminishing returns crapitude.

i wish ke$ha sounded more like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xx6aBfRlUo

it's basically her drink-all-night-get-fucked-up-and-throw-up aesthetic but just made slightly more rhythmic, slightly less ugly vocally, slightly more danceable, and i love that.

Disagree with Lex, Katy Perry has the potential to actually make a good record because her voice is so much more anonymous and she might one day work with a songwriter + producer who can put out something amazing. Ke$ha records will always have Ke$ha's annoying vocals on them.

but ke$ha's vocals are annoying primarily because of the way she uglifies them w/autotune - who knows what she sounds like without it, probably pretty anonymous. even when katy perry deliberately smooths out her more grating inflections (eg "teenage dream") there's still something unpleasantly harsh about her voice.

"I like to act kind of slutty sometimes but I'm still basically a good christian girl" infuriates me beyond belief. At least Ke$ha wears her trashiness proudly

otm. Ke$ha's crimes are negligible. Perry is actively vile/poisonous.

Ke$ha at least has some kind of artistic vision, even if it's one I don't particularly like. Perry is trying to be everything to everybody and the result is watered down weak sauce.

I saw the new episode of the Simpsons last night which features Katy Perry making a joke about a puppet version of a cartoon character kissing her vagina - congratulations to all involved with that

keshas fake drunk voice is just so awfulgenius when u hear it

xp

snoball otm

Wow this is a really hard choice, in the end I have to say I dislike Katy Perry a lot more, and this is mostly on the basis that she's gorgeous, which makes the cocktease act so much more obnoxious. That story about her calling out an ex-boyfriend in the audience in the middle of a show because he rejected her in high school (or something) was just the height of over-inflated ego. Plus, her music is really about on the same level of simplicity as the Black Eyed Peas, only without any personality, and a strange fixation toward singing everything AS LOUDLY AS POSSIBLE.

Ke$ha is super obnoxious too, but she at least looks like the trashy girls I know, and at least she is honest. So you get one point for that.

Ke$ha's voice without (or at least with minimal) autotune is mostly boring:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zcyxjpkcW0

i don't really get the "Ke$ha has a VISION" thing. just because she takes the same Dr. Luke sound as every other female top 40 star and pushes it slightly more over the top and obnoxious?

i've mostly come around to ke$ha but katy perry is annoying

this is otm:

her music is really about on the same level of simplicity as the Black Eyed Peas, only without any personality, and a strange fixation toward singing everything AS LOUDLY AS POSSIBLE.

oh no... not simple music!

I don't think Ke$ha (or Katy for that matter) has a vision but unsurprisingly the collective efforts of everyone involved to make massively hooky tunes pays off at least some of the time for each of them.

I have noticed though that with all of the artists in this general vein I hate them less as time goes on, maybe I just become numb to their obnoxiousness.

yeah i think that's kind of inevitable -- all these big newish pop stars seem to kick in the door with something so obnoxious and divisive and one-dimensional but they can't help but become more tolerable and multi-faceted as they rack up more hits

Good point - - I really didn't give Ke$ha the time of day until "Your Love Is My Drug" gave her some other pegs to hang her hat on, and once that was mapped out, I could accept "Tik Tok" retroactively. Katy has yet to do anything that can win me over to "I Kissed A Girl," which isn't just sonically annoying but also socially retrograde and basically irritating on every level. "California Gurls" at least made me accept that she was good-looking.

also sonically irritating and basically retrograde on every level

Yeah, but the shrieking hook clicks for me.

oh you said socially retrograde. I agree with that too.

i dont really get people who "grew into" Ke$ha -- "TiK ToK" is her best tune!

others disagree

you dont say

I don't think most people necessarily mean "growing into" into Ke$ha. It's more like not being so annoyed with her style/persona anymore, maybe. The one thing I admire about Ke$ha is her vocal timing. There are a couple of instances I can think of where she just nails it.

so in that respect Ke$ha is the complete opposite of Katy Perry?

I wonder how soon LA electro pop will reach the kind of cultural ubiquity that provokes a backlash?

After what happened to pop disco in the late 70s and the High NRG / Hip-house combo in the early 90s the reaction against this music should be epic.

6 months maybe? A year?

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surprising

feels good to be on the right side of t/s

so many dam votes

http://cdn02.cdn.thesuperficial.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/1231-katy-perry-no-make-up-00-480x413.jpg

ke$ha did better than katy on the US #1s of 2010 poll too, lot of closet $ympathizers round here for some reason

Antares Autotune (Ke$ha) vs Celemony Melodyne (Perry)

Hopefully, 2011 gives us our first Microsoft Songsmith superstar.