Why do you read music critics?

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This must have been covered before but I can't bother to search for it.
Personally I don't read critics for the beauty or originality of their writings on music. Though I admire critics who achieve to transform the music into words. That is a great art. I would prefer to (be able to) do that myself, instead of reading others, sometimes it even works but only very rarely.
Music criticism is a means to an end for me. I usually read about music to find out which good music there is which I have missed up to now. It's a little more the consumer guide approach which I favour. The main problem for me is to find critics who write about the music I like. Critics who have a similar taste to mine. Critics whom I can trust. Many critics in music magazines I can't trust as there is the commercial aspect. Therefore what I do now is to find as many music blogs as possible which cover the music I am inclined to like. And I read this forum where I can more or less assess what people post at least those who have revealed themselves a little by posting regularly.
I also like to read books on artists I like to understand more about their music but that is not necessarily music criticism, that's often more biographically oriented.

So why do you read music critics?

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 22:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I read music critics to find out if there's anything out there I might want to listen to. There are few I find entertaining to read--Chuck Eddy and John Darnielle are the two active writers that come to mind at the moment.

dan (dan), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 23:32 (twenty-three years ago)


I read music critics to learn how to listen. Good music critics explain what I should be listening to and what I should be ignoring in a particular track. Even better music critics explain the place X music has in the scene/lifestyle it comes from, and how that should affect your music.

vahid, Wednesday, 21 August 2002 23:44 (twenty-three years ago)

usher looks so cool alongside p diddy

naked as sin, Thursday, 22 August 2002 01:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Mostly, I'm looking for a buying guide (the function of music criticism which seems to be most frowned upon on ILM--or maybe that's my imagination). But if I am interested in some music, yet feel that I might be missing something important in it, I could conceivably read critical writing about it, even though I have already heard it. Actually, I probably read as much or more ethnomusicology as I do actual music criticism. In some cases that's the only place for in-depth discussion of foreign music that I listen to. Ethnomusicologist Ali Jihad Racy has probably had at least some impact on how I hear Arabic music, though it might be a subtle one.

I find it difficult to find critics whose taste is similar enough that I can trust their judgment. But as I keep saying, I'm probably never going to have enough money to buy all the music I already want.

DeRayMi, Thursday, 22 August 2002 01:33 (twenty-three years ago)

I would be surprised if most people only really had one or two reasons. If I think of similar questions: why do you read novels? why do you watch TV? why do you listen to records? why do you eat? a plethora of alternatives come to mind immediately. What we think we want out of criticism at its best and why we read criticism are probably two different things, but I can see why the two might be conflated.

Josh (Josh), Thursday, 22 August 2002 02:03 (twenty-three years ago)

To understand. Also, A)

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 22 August 2002 02:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I actually don't go for the buying-guide approach. I look to Amazon and the (oft-flawed, but fairly dependable) AMG for discography/biographical information, but I look when I read music criticism, I want something more. I'm kinda reaching out, looking for people who get as personally involved and nutso about music as I do -- and it's the involvement/nutsiness that appeals to me. (But I also expect the dreaded "good writing" to go along with it, an ability to turn a phrase and spin verbal gold, and a modicum of subject-knowledge, of course.)

Jody Beth Rosen, Thursday, 22 August 2002 02:33 (twenty-three years ago)

but I look when I read music criticism, I want something more.

Apparently I don't look when I write it!

Jody Beth Rosen, Thursday, 22 August 2002 02:51 (twenty-three years ago)

(i created a monster thread touching on some of these issues, so i can't really be bothered spelling it all out again as i see it, so this small heavily truncated opinion will have to do) :

oh i used to think these critics were useful, put me on to new stuff (ie new ideas, but their tastes are often so easy to tag to them that something interesting they'll usually miss and find boring being set in their ways

fashion victims, sycophants to the oh so cool industry (an industry/citics niche itself generally not able to be able to pick anything new or interesting because the more they get comfortable with their own tastes the more locked in they get)

and then there's the nepotism, probably more cuddly and self-satified with these triumphant indie labels even than in some big ass-licking corporate scheme, which is hypocrisy typical of those confusing fighting the underdog with getting their name in print

ok, there are some good critics out their despite their obsessions (tastes), but more and more music is being released every year so it's still just an industry, big or small

yeah, there are some decent objective literate educated reviews/opinions out there sometimes even understanding of the greater historical sweep over music from the last 40 years with all the geo/eco/political and sexual implications of these works of art -- pity that they're 5% of the total critic population though, isn't it

can we trust a critic to get comfy and objective with some new album if (a) there'll only be so many listens 'til the reveiw deadline and (b) that they didn't have to fork out any earned money for this piece of art in the first place ?

but most of all i read critics to criticise them back, argue with them, remind them that they forgot "this" or are making a fetish out of "that" etc. -- they're a touchy bunch too, as i've had several stupidly vindictive emails from (often self-appointed) "critics", as though they can't actually take criticism of their own critiques -- as in general life, they can give it out but they can't take it -- and we all know people like that and how so often they turn out to be hacks defending their low-self-esteem based outbusts

one critic in particular i can think of stands out as the most narrow-minded industry-licking self-appointed wannabe (Post/pOST ..) modern day dandy i've ever met, with a mono-syllabic talent when it actually comes to talking about music face to face good-humouredly (as one tries to) with all the intrigue, wit, talent and basic modus operandi of a widget salesman -- and i'm just the guy who comes out and critiques this person, "outs him" if you like, when everybody else is saying the same thing about him behind his back -- Does this paragraph read as vindictive, nasty, unpleasant ? a redundant rant to fill space and portend worldliness ? Sorry, i'm just adopting the great one's own personal (i'm so witty, ha ha)(ha)(t)(ck)(ch)(i)(e)(t) style

george gosset (gegoss), Thursday, 22 August 2002 05:32 (twenty-three years ago)

down with the scene!

boxcubed (boxcubed), Thursday, 22 August 2002 06:33 (twenty-three years ago)

jody,
the recent thread on "good music review sites" might be worth investigating -- for instance, you'd find out that pitchfork have essays on genres, bands, scenes .. much like the less specific and less review type opinions you see from time to time here

i agree that getting away from the strict review by review scheme of tacky hacky yesterdays papers often just filling space (or part of marketing campaigns) would be a good thing

i like the more general banafish style "look what we've got in this bag of new releases -- let's compare them with each other and with all the music that already exists that might well be at least equally as good (and talk about music more generally while we're at it)"

ok b~fish is a mag -- the beauty of the web sites is that you can email the people who wrote it, talk about it, maybe make a new musical friends or find some common interest

ok that's like the grand old print tradition of letters to the editor, which for example the editor of opprobrium (website) would be at pains to avoid ('cause he doesn't have the answers) -- no offence to most of his reveiwers, but you're often going to have a salaryman or dilletante in administrative positions -- the point being that the mag/"sight" is good except in the case of the bilious opinions of the editor, who should stick to the push the button on the photocopy machine dayjob and leave the reveiws to experts (in my humble opinion)

or the wire or b~fish, and forced exposure (if it's ever published again), all mags that could take the ante to the max in the reader vs. editor dept. (which is where the fun's to be had, the coffee table discussions of the merits of this vs. that where you can get into detail, the detail you want) and all these mags do more general essay type crit.

but let's face it, this place ILM is a pretty good resource for anything you want to know -- just email the opinionated snot and get to the bottom of whatever..

that's when we work out how to run searches on this new host of course

george gosset (gegoss), Thursday, 22 August 2002 07:04 (twenty-three years ago)

What I look for in music criticism is a person who will tell me how the music affects *them*. I don't want a dry, boring recitation of facts, comparisons and discologies. I want to know the emotional impact that the music had on the listener the moment they opened up the box and put it on the stereo/saw the band live/whatever.

Writing "Oh, yeah, this is Joe Schmoe from Lameband's solo project, it's on indieschmindie label and it sounds like Spacemen 3 jamming with The Orb" might get me interested enough to borrow/download a copy of the song, but you know, I can get advice like that from any of a number of friends or emailpals. I'm not going to pay good money for that.

Writing "This album makes me feel like I'm 16 years old, flying down the hill on my friend's bicycle, drunk on ripple wine for the first time in my life, arms stretched wide coz those beats make me think I can fly as well as dance, the tremoloed guitars rippling like the cornfields in the distance..." will not just get me interested enough to buy the album, but it will also get me interested enough to waste £3.50 on a magazine, coz, you know the writing has to be pretty damn GOOD before I'll spend more than the cost of a drink on it.

Oh, and full colour glossy pictures of cute BOYS helps, as well.

fiona fletcher, Thursday, 22 August 2002 07:47 (twenty-three years ago)

To answer the question simply and directly: for a laugh. Oh, and the occasional tip.

Roger Fascist, Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:34 (twenty-three years ago)

''What I look for in music criticism is a person who will tell me how the music affects *them*. I don't want a dry, boring recitation of facts, comparisons and discologies. I want to know the emotional impact that the music had on the listener the moment they opened up the box and put it on the stereo/saw the band live/whatever.''

I'd agree with this. and there are not many writers who can do it. I want to know what their body and mind are feeling. and as roger says, if they can make you laugh then that's good as well.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:41 (twenty-three years ago)

When I'm reading the singles reviews in the new Muzik, say, I'm looking for suggestions that I might want to check out, a buying guide, but I don't much care about this, and it is for me instantly disposable. Then there is the stuff that entertains for a few minutes, and I might even remember a funny line or two - Steven Wells is a favourite in this way. And then there is the rarest and best kind, writing that makes you hear and understand some music in a fresh way, or that captures some point about it that has so far eluded you, or that gives you a way into something that you just didn't get, or that pins down what is wrong with some tune. I guess the difference between the buying guide and that = the way I use the words 'reviews' and 'criticism', possibly.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:22 (twenty-three years ago)

For different reasons, depending on which journalist it is. It could be:

1. To look for suggestions as to which new records are worth purchasing.
2. To read a well-written piece on a subject which interests me.
3. To laugh at their poor arguments and laughable writing style.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:34 (twenty-three years ago)

I dunno, I want to read something interesting, either of a record I already have an opinion of (ie one I own) or one I'll possibly never have an opinion of.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Different reasons:

1. To entertain myself when my hand is tired
2. to find music that I would enjoy that I would otherwise not be exposed to (this assumes that I find a 'critic' that has similar tastes- Im still looking.
3. To educate me in the history/progression of music, i.e. band X's influences were bands A, T, R-
4. To laugh at some of the tripe that passes for 'music journalism' (i.e. most Pitchfork reviews).
5. See No. 4

insectifly, Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:06 (twenty-three years ago)

As a buyer's guide. Basically what I want to know from a critic is some sense of: the kind of stuff he/she likes; the style of the piece being discussed; how good he thinks it is. So a couple of sentences + some kind of star system, like AMG, is ideal.

ArfArf, Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I find that conversations with friends (and perhaps virtual conversations with strangers) have done more to change the way I approach music than the music criticism I've read has. There is a big advantage to talking to someone in person who can say, "Yeah, but don't you hear that strange whirring in the background on this track?" or "My favorite part of 'Last Night a DJ Saved My Life' has always been when they say, 'Well alright,' after the sound of the problems being sent down the drain."

DeRayMi, Thursday, 22 August 2002 13:05 (twenty-three years ago)

So a couple of sentences + some kind of star system, like AMG, is ideal.

Hurrah. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 15:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I still have problems with the de facto definition of critic not and am fixated on the subset of people who produce writing which critiques the work.

Writing about music to provide someone with a buyers guide, to provide a reader with an insight into the reviewers thoughts, heck to just create something that delights in itself, these are all fine decent and often wonderful activities. Writing to self-agrandise the writer by some weary hand wringing about how a work isn't quite good enough just sucks.

There is yet another of those 'I would have done this better' moment near the end of the 24 hour party people review on pitchfork (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/sdtk/24-hour-party-people/24-hour-party-people.shtml) (and it has a non-ironic use of the idiot-word 'rockist'). Whats the point of this review? Its hopeless as a buyers guide, the author assumes an authority in his pronouncements that makes it opaque to the authors own actual thought process (an authority I would question, but thats irrelevant and just me being self agrandising). Its not even very entertaining reading.

Sandy Blair, Thursday, 22 August 2002 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Why do you read music critics?

Because a music critic is more likely to find a profoundly amusing use for the words "pseudoesque" and "fucknugget" than the writers at the Wall Street Journal. (Though, granted, they have found some dryly witty uses for "fucknugget" when referring the President.)

Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Thursday, 22 August 2002 18:20 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
is george gossett referring to doompatrol or jess in the final paragrph of his firstpost?

flu, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't read critiques too often. sometimes i'll read them in the wire, which are usually too cryptical/personal, but occasionally enlightening.

To tell you the truth i enjoy reviews from amateur critics, like on amazon, because they actually care about the album they are reviewing and took their own free time to write it. These are the reviews that usually convice to buy an album.

james, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know what to think about music so I read reviews. Then I know whether I should buy an album and tell people how great it is or not buy an album and tell people how bad it is.
Sometimes for variety I buy an album so that I can play it and tell people where the musician went wrong, as I have learned through the wonders of music journalism.

mike h. (mike h.), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Mostly because it gives me (like ILM) a sense of community: however bad the critic/poster, if said critic/poster mentions The Muppets or Cat Stevens or Metal Machine Music it gives me a warm glow, for I AM NOT ALONE. But, as most of this could be done by my friends, I particularly like people who are passionate/think too much/too little about music, people who are a little ashamed that they care so much about why eg Good Charlotte aren't very good or are very good, who can't let it lie and - this is the difference between me and my friends - are idiotic enough to want to try and type all this out.

It takes a very special type of person to be so concerned.

But, as in real life, most of these special types are ignorant, egotistical, shallow-narrow-minded buffoons/like a different arrangement of notes to me.

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Aside: a useful critic, in the consumer guide sense, doesn't beed to have the same tastes as you. Years of reading NME taught me that you just need to be able to decode said critic's particular way of describing something.

So, eg now: discopunk means it's got a guitar and a bass and sounds like ESG; Beach Boys means its got a melody; blues means it hasn't got a bass/is from Detroit; dance means house; techno means dance that's not house; classic means it's from more than ten years ago/is from less than ten years ago but is something only the writer and his smug friends enjoyed/something from this year that got into the charts and is therefore ironic.

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)


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