Rolling punk / non-indie underground / pitchfork GTFO thread 2011

so yeah new gay beast this month

still feelin strong about columbus discount and siltbreeze this year.

finally heard the Off! record at a friend's house...wow, kinda ubelievebly great

― the medina green preservation society (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 3:06 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

best siltbreeze LP since?

fabulous diamonds II imo, and before that, eat skull's WILD AND INSIDE. basically, ill jock for a lot more of the new siltbreeze releases than most people around here. im still super hyped for TNV and psychedelic horseshit, and although i like more stylistic breadth in my life than "shitgaze" allows, it is an important part of a balanced meal or something.

― 69, Tuesday, January 4, 2011 3:19 PM (59 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I don't have a record player, but I'm loving the "Infinity" stream on someone's blog - I don't guess the album is available any other way but vinyl?

― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 4:07 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

who doesn't have a record player? sorry, i just can't imagine living like that. you poor thing.

guys, the Primary Colors tape out on Hardscrabble Amateurs sounds like an industrial punk apocalypse. it is fucking amazing.

― a no-fault dick to suck. (the table is the table), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 4:09 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

just catching up

No room for a stereo :(

re: who doesn't have a record player (ME)

Thread subject makes record player ownership mandatory, I thought.

was thinking about this thread last night. occurs to me that most of what gets discussed on this thread (almost everything that comes out on labels like CDR, siltbreeze and in the red, for instance) is considered "indie" rather than punk by the punk purist staff and patrons of my local punk rock record shoppe. their punk, the "real punk", consists largely of retro-inflected hardcore bands, most owing something to discharge, but more to a billion japanese, english, finnish & american iterations since. these records have names and song titles that cannot be pronounced by yankee tongues, and they come with back patches and A4 newsprint posters with lyrics and war atrocity photos of barbecued infants. they're often pretty okay, sometimes great, from what i hear in passing, but i'd have no idea where to start.

re: non-indie

tbh I listen to a lot of that kind of crusty hardcore stuff, but I mainly read this thread for the Siltbreeze/ITR/shitgaze/etc stuff cos I like a lot of it and it wouldn't normally get on my radar.

w31rd p\/nk

xp: lol, that's the opposite of me. i listen mostly to the indie-ish punk & garage stuff (scion garage fest note), much less to the blistering tk hc. would love a few more recommendations in that direction, tbh...

contenderizer,

i started the original thread in 2007 and i basically just wanted a place to discuss bands that weren't really in the whole crappy handwringing over "OMG ARCADE FIRE SUX" or explicitly noise (which got discussed a lot more back then)

this is how i described it at the time:

NOTE: this thread is for "big tent" Punk...or basically stuff that's not indie and not noise, if you know what I mean, but yeah everything doesn't have to have mohawks and shit either.

in the first post i mentioned the carbonas, so yeah i guess garage punk stuff was almost the attention...

just shit from in the red, etc wasn't really being discussed in the indie threads back then

i dunno, i mostly just wanted to talk about all these awesome bands that didn't suck or weren't p4k bait basically

a lot of the stuff got a lot more accepted on pitchfork after the thread started i guess, after no age and fucked up and stuff

i def. hate "real punk" rhetoric

currently listen to

banque allemande - eins, zwei lp

... on ss. so far so good! list of german punk bands i like getting a bit too long

p4k like ty segall now, too

i'm with you, UMS, and wasn't complaining (i often come off more condescending than i imagine i intend). just tripping on the irony of the "non-indie" header, given that this thread has always been 100% in line with my interests, and i'm indie from way back.

no i agree a lot of this stuff is "indie" to me, like i dunno thinking fellers is indie to me or something

it was more just cuz of what "indie" means on ILX which is generally like shitty bands or musical cooties to be used in discussions of pop music

and, i think these threads have always been great and super informative and really pretty much focused on exactly the kinda stuff that i felt didn't have a place on the board

I like these threads for the more rocking noise groups, or the noisier punk groups, or unclassifiable stuff that still rocks, stuff like mayyors or mutators or other fallen spazz soldiers

it's a place to talk about good stuff that's off the beaten path and prolly won't get press coverage or end up on any top ten lists

and yeah indie has become a label for the more lightweight end of things, I mean if somebody asked you about magik markers or child abuse and you wouldn't say "they're some indie band"

at least in the oh-11

two punks to speak of, both by way of these pacific northouests. first is that i went to see tit pig tonight, hype-attracting local hardcore band, at the comet. was fun. basic old-school cali-style HC with ripping leads and super catchy mosh riffs, elevated to greatness by a charismatic lead vocalist. like to the point where retard enthusiasm for retarded retardedness infects the rest of the band and the crowd and the entire joint with beer-hurling, elbow damaging fun times vibes. which is weird, in a way, like it almost becomes too cute to bear (geddit), but is fundamentally so goddam awesome and violent and stupid that reservations evaporate. said to have a record forthcoming, and worth checking out in whatever capacity if you get the chance.

also, as mentioned in passing above, oly-based milk music have a new, self-released 12" produced by capt. trips (ballsington) available for any/all. in some ways reminiscent of gun outfit, similarly hazy & abstract, but heavier and fuzzier, recalling early dinosuar (jr) and hammerhead/vaz, which is to say dark, groovy and high on tone. i mean i guess it's "grunge" in some sense, but no cheap clone of the justly abandoned. driven, memorable rock music with an obvious debt to the classics, but an equally obvious personality of their own. like hearing treepeople or seaweed for the first time.

Crusty, metallic skate-core influences are just what In the Red type punk needs to keep sounding fresh. With some of the mookish posturing and mawkish politics removed (but not all!) My favorite punk/non-indie underground records of last year were Black Breath and Double Negative, and King of Jeans did a perfect job of fusing fast/slow/smart/dumb together. Been on a Poison Idea kick for a few months. They're the ideal for me right now. Most "crossover" garage punk last year left me underwelmed (Wavves, Male Bonding, Harlem).

^ cosign all, even to and including poison idea cuz i've been reloving feel the darkness, except i have no idea who double negative are

you may remember their pretty album cover from last year's thread

Rolling punk / non-indie underground thread 2010

oh yeah, i remember lolling at that in a shop a few months back due to the album title. guess i should have taken it out for a spin.

i heard the new head of skulls, really good! some real "jawboxy" sounding vocal melodies...

also heard an old record by a boston post punk band called Sorry, super great, horrible looking cover...but damn so good! like a "baby mission of burma"

xp re Double Negative - their one before that was called 'The Wonderful & Frightening World Of...' - they are the good kind of smartasses and probably one of the best hardcore bands of the last five years

Sorry were good yeah, they were on one of those Hyped 2 Death Homework comps, how I found out about them.

a link of some interest:

http://wilfullyobscure.blogspot.com/2010/01/sorry-way-it-is-1986-homestead.html

a super great "what were they thinking?" album cover:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_y35XeAsqK6c/S10OGZcrITI/AAAAAAAACDo/U3rMuF1uIXs/s200/front.JPG

er

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_y35XeAsqK6c/S10OGZcrITI/AAAAAAAACDo/U3rMuF1uIXs/s200/front.JPG

Think I got that album from that very same blog actually :)

Amusing things about Double Neg: they sound a lot like early C.O.C (Animosity) and they're the same age and from the same place as C.O.C, but they were in 90s bands that went down the Merge root of the 1990 punk/indie divide. I think that how they walk the line so well. Did a quick listen to OFF!, and my first thought was "this is good for old guys, but it's no Double Negative."

I remember sorry from this comp

http://homepages.nyu.edu/~cch223/comps/bandsthatcouldbegod.html

C.O.C. Animosity line-up playing in London in a couple of months!

So does this thread encompass old guard punks like Killing Joke, Nick Cave, The Fall, TV Smith, etc who are still making (good) music? What about post-punk type bands who might get lumped in with indie but aren't (A Frames, Six Finger Satellite)?

I'm not interested in hardcore so much as the stuff that springs from a rock vibe but moves into unusual territory, I.e. Xpressway or Flying Nun, that sort of aesthetic.

imo the thread is for stuff that isn't going to get coverage elsewhere. who doesn't know the fall or nick cave have something new out? there are probably entire threads dedicated to them. there aren't any threads dedicated to no balls or double negative or homo police, and there doesn't really need to be.

as much as I love 6FS there are plenty of places on ILX to talk about them, tho I will say their last album was pretty damn good. recent live shows haven't had the muscle of old, but a good year for hardness was kinda overlooked.

but ya know talk about whatever you want if nobody replies then nobody cares

also where is the oakland faction

So does this thread encompass...

luv 2 edward, but i think UMS's "big tent" approach is the way to go. talk about whatever you think fits here, whatever you want to talk about, especially if it isn't getting enough attention elsewhere, but maybe even if it is. seems like the perfect place for six finger satellite discussion, for instance, and the thread could use a few more regulars.

then again, much as i love the tall dwarfs (and i do!), flying nun worship goes in yonder indie thread.

like I said, ppl can talk about whatever they want, I'm not the hall monitor here, and last year's thread hit its own stride w/o getting all meta

just saying this is prolly not the ideal place to start enthusing about grinderman or your future our clutter when there are already dedicated threads established

A-Frames have been repped for on past versions of this thread iirc

yeah one (maybe more?) of Double Negative was in Polvo for a while, they've been all over the map

oh polvo dudes?? sweet will investigate

it's not a pointer to anything soundwise but yeah check it imo

instead of thinking "is this appropriate to discuss in the rolling punk thread?" i think "oh rolling punk thread ppl would like this"

^^

bear bear bear, yeah, that is k3vin and m1chael's thing. here's a video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2v5VkKTxtI

on the tape on HSA, the vocals are buried, but not as much. i've been blasting this shit for days.

in terms of this thread, i dunno. i feel like punk is so many sounds, especially right now. i'm putting out a record by a synthpunk type band (comes out in a month!) who have nothing to do with a lot of what 'punks' would call punk. but that's because in reality, most punks are closed-minded shitbag drunks, whereas most of my punk friends are open-minded drunks.

rad, thx fr vid table

no problem dude. btw, m4tt says hey.

As long as they don't review Atom and His Package in Maximum Rock 'n' Roll, this thread will be okay.

Pretty psyched to hear this Nerves/Plimsouls/etc. cover cassette with The Mantles, Grass Widow, Davila 666, many more:

http://volarrecords.blogspot.com/2010/12/cassettes-available-for-under-covers.html

I heard Burger Records is gonna put out a Diarrhea Planet cassette

diarrhea planet

never gets old

i am considering killfilng u for it

its my fault i was the first ilx mention of diarrhea planet :s Rolling punk / non-indie underground thread 2010

there's something that i hate so much about that name that i can't even bring myself to think about legitimizing them with my aural time.

i totally get it. i wish they'd change their name.

The Royal Headache album rules - you guys shd give it a go.

Possibly fave track from the album ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIfcN7Z9m6Q

I think they're in the States playing some shows atm tbh

australia/nz are the best at modern punk

finally had a chance to see Child Bite from detroit this weekend

wow, one of the best live bands currently operating...sorta crazed harder/faster/noisier early pere ubu vibe with screeching garage organ

i dunno like imagine early ubu played at jesus lizard levels of intensity/technical chops...sorta...but they feel really unique to themselves

feel like you may have oversold it a little with pere ubu + jesus lizard but yeah "Wild Feast" is a good record

have not seen em live, though!

this was reviewed by pfork but really enjoying it: http://open.spotify.com/album/2QBKiACsFk7khrZSMkf8ka

Obits - Moody, Standard & Poor

feel like you may have oversold it a little with pere ubu + jesus lizard but yeah "Wild Feast" is a good record

have not seen em live, though!

― dmr, Monday, September 12, 2011 3:49 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i have actually not heard any of their recordings so maybe it's a little crazier/heavier live?

though haha yeha i guess invoking ubu and lizard is probably overselling almost any band

best repetitive lofi garage slop album of 2011 is (probably) this MORDECAI LP i am listening to now, on KILLERTREE RECORDS. listen to half of it here http://mordecai1.bandcamp.com/

Nu Sensae just added a guitarist to their lineup. Shit's gonna get brewtal.

I love the Royal Headache album. The singer kind of sounds like Sam Cooke.

fuck Nu Sensae adding a guitarist. the minimal strippedness of their sound is what makes their first recordings so fucking good.

I dunno, it's the guy from Mutators. He's no slouch. They might come up with some pretty interesting stuff.

this isn't new, old i guess, but i just got into vandal x & lovin these dudes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfMPivx0wVs

yeah the idea of a successful bass/drum duo adding a gtr is kinda eh but I love the mutators so

btw that kilslug show mentioned upthread was incredible

things I did not expect to do in 2011 include being in a crazed pit at a kilslug show, I mean ppl were bull-riding garbage cans across the floor, total mayhem

they are planning a west coast tour in spring 2012

I love Nu Sensae's drum and bass stuff as much as everyone else, but I appreciate the fact that they are willing to go "ok, we've done this, and it was awesome, so let's see if we can do something else, and still make it awesome." I don't know for sure if it will be good, it's just cool to know that theyre trying to broaden themselves

Is this a good place to ask for recommendations for some of the better punk (or hardcore/post-hardcore/noise-rock/art-punk) albums of the year? I haven't heard many great ones this year, and I feel really out of the loop.

I like the new AIDS Wolf double album a lot (Ma Vie Banale). It sounds kinda different from their older stuff since they replaced one of their guitarists with a TON of vocal effects. It's pretty heavy. Yadokai put out a pretty good EP this year, if you like that japanese hardcore sound. The NASA Space Universe album is also pretty awesome for weird psych hardcore. Dadfag and High Castle both put out REALLY awesome artsy punk albums as well. Retox's ep & album are also really good, if you like Justin Pearson's projects.

3/4 of arab on radar have reformed as doomsday student, playing their first shows this month, album out in nov

they sound a lot like aor, shocker

also, new skoal kodiak and sex church albums are out on load

For hardcore I would say Suburbanite's ST EP on Youth Attack! is the best thing I've heard all year. Raging oi punk inflected hardcore with great (though kind of meat headed) lyrics. Winter Soldier is probably my favorite HC song of the year.

Postpunk the obvious choice is Ice Age's "New Brigade". Also really liked Belgrado's ST LP and Total Control's "Henge Beat". Also new Horrid Red rules.

Oh, The Meru also put out a killer tape this year. The songs are great, but the sound quality is kinda bad. The Green Screen Door/Animal Eye split tape is also great if you like a mix of sci-fi, post punk, and straight up LA punk.

http://shoppers.bandcamp.com/

the shoppers record is real great - i wasn't sure how they'd translate the big TLASILA-style walls of noise to record, but they kinda knocked it out of the park

Thanks for all the recommendations, guys! I'm making my way through them as I can find them online to stream (all these bands with just one or two sampler tracks from an album to stream on Bandcamp are driving me nuts).

My tastes tend a little artier/spazzier (straight 80s throwback punk/hardcore doesn't do much for me anymore), but I'm loving a lot of this. Gonna have to check out the full length of Total Control, lots of ideas going on there. Ditto with High Castle; that could be the great art-punk album I haven't heard yet this year.

Belgrado reminds me of the Delta 5 stuff I used to really dig, but it may be too much straight throwback for me. Retox hits the spot.

I wanna listen to the entire Shoppers album when I get a chance, because the tracks I sampled sound great.

And are you talking about the Celestial Joy LP by Horrid Red, Ryan? Streaming it now and it's awesomely out there. I'll definitely be spending some time with this one.

Death Sentence: Panda! broke up.

<3<3 horrid red <3<3

been listening to the band blank realm lately

is it totally weird that after what i felt was a banner year for punk in 2010 has truly collapsed in 2011? seen some great performances, but not too many recordings have held my interest.....

2009 was the best year ever for me & i was underwhelmed by a lot of what i heard last year, & this year has been pretty great. i think we're into sort of different stuff though. all this blank realm stuff i'm just getting into now is from last year actually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxVu2WXCXQI&feature=related

Asian Women on The Telephone! totally great, artier (i guess) punk band from Russia. table posted about them - it appears not in this thread - they should be in this thread.

u0sd0ןɟ, they'll prob be having an album coming out on 5iltbrrese sooner or later

ah cool that makes sense

been digging this new sex church heavily. doesn't sound right to call it goth, maybe gothic garage rock? they turned up the joy division knob and made an album that sounds like some lost nz classic. lo-fi but vast, there's a lot of terrain in there. if you like iceage, pink reason, blank dogs you'll prolly get into it, tho I like 'em better than any of those.

the streaming track here says it all
http://www.dustedmagazine.com/reviews/6772

also I am psyched for this show

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6113/6281064865_71454e2b45_b.jpg

Loving the Sex Church trax up on youtube. Way Flipperesque, and, dammit, that's not a term I use lightly!

Woah . . also feeling Les Rallizes Denudes and Metal Urbain. It gets no better. Thx Edward.

they may be my favorite discovery of 2011

Asian Women on The Telephone!

Had to go to discogs to figure out where I had heard this name before. Sun City Girls!

last years' sex church album was one of my favourites, have you heard it alfred?

Aiiieeeeee! Baby brain meltdown. I have to do a phoner with Brooklyn's The Men and forgot all about it, does anyone know any interesting stories/facts about them. I really like their Leave Home album but they seem like an anonymous bunch.

I played a show with them a couple of weeks ago, nice guys. maybe ask them how they fit in with the current NYC scene? I got the sense they feel kind of like outsiders in their own town.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJI64onk8ng

I like how in the cover the reflection from the window makes it look like it's coming from behind me but it's actually not really there.

XP: Cheers. Yeah, the don't seem to fit what I perceive to be the normal Brooklynite template for a guitar band. Great fucking album as well.