gyptian - holdyuh

crushin hard on this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKlCEUngHB0

A secret 2010 killer, this song is so great

heard this all the time on the radio this summer, which was very nice

love nicki singing under the chorus on the remix. i dont think i had listened to this song by my own volition until just now but i know every word from cars waiting in front of the stoplight outside my apartment all summer

xp as jordan said

altho just today in fact i realized that he says "put mi tings all around ya" and now i can't hear this song w/o imagining that it's being sung by an octopus

i always liked the nicki verse

got a spot in every state/ dalmatian bitch

how much airplay did that get outside of new york? because here i probably heard that more than the original

i was in miami this summer & on the rap/r&b stations i heard it legitimately as much as any other song over the summer

oh shit ricky blaze produced this! that's awesome

i wish they played dancehall on the radio here

they play like one dancehall song at a time on the radio here but it's usually pretty awesome

there's usually mix shows on weekend nights tho that you can catch that are always pretty dope

didn't realize gyptian was uk either

this was inescapable this summer - soooooo good. love nicki's verse. hearing it blast out of a souped-up soundsystem in parliament square and seeing a crowd of teenagers singing along to it during the student protests was a ~moment~

lady chann on the "hold yuh" riddim is A MUST-HEAR - just beautiful, a total switch-up from her usual rambunctiousness - http://www.mixpakrecords.com/blog/2010/07/lady-chann-feel-calm/

as is the funkystepz house mix (they gave this away in a remix package on twitter the other day)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4yeIb_ddSY

i think this ended up being a top 20 hit over here - first sighting of dancehall in the charts in god knows how long

also, one of those great songs that ubiquity just makes so much better - i'd have liked it if it hadn't been this year's smash, of course, but now it's just bound up with so many great memories

Yeah ubiquity always seems to help along this kind of stuff, even the more pop stuff like "Replay" but esp tunes like "Hold Yuh".

yeah this song was massive, such a great riddim and nicki's verse on the remix is awesome

i love her verse on that otherwise awful Sean Kingston song too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT2s2Ad3rmA

ya def? BWOYYYYYY mi soon lef

<3 Trini Minaj

anyone know any other good songs over this riddim

THAT'S AMAZING (x-post)

jordan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDKcXKMYvd4

j0rdan i liked ny & lioness on this riddim too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulHNyOjDt1k

also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYH3VuJhoNI

as for nicki on sean kingston - ta-da a kingdom edit that removes sean http://www.themusicninja.com/sean-kingston-letting-go-ft-nicki-minaj-kingdom-dub/

i love how for 90% of nicki's appearances, everyone's instinct is to remove the lead artist

Hasn't he done one for Monster as well.

Lady Chann one is so pretty

yes!

xp

this is only sorta off topic, but how does the producer/singer dynamic work in dancehall when it comes to $$$ for a successful track of this sort

also only sorta off topic BUT i heard "roman's revenge" on the radio today!!! sounded massive obv

did it also sound instrumental?

they played that in parliament square too! seriously those protests were the best rave ever for about an hour - never did i think that being in a crowd of kids yelling "AYO GYPTIAN - TELL EM FI GWAN, EVICTION" in parliament square while dancing around burning benches would be a thing that happened in life

Lex have you listened to TNT's "Running" via my thread yet.

yeah i knew it already - soooooo good.

while we're all here, i went dancing to dancehall on thu, and this amazing natalie storm soca track was played - http://hulkshare.com/l1rdx51axfvh

NUH WATCH ME
WATCH YUHSELF
NUH TOUCH ME
TOUCH YUHSELF

listened to the stream for abt 40 secs before clicking the dl link with great urgency, and the second half is awesome!

natalie storm has been killing it recently - i recommend the mixtape she just dropped, which has the title songs 2 fuck and fight 2, which SAYS IT ALL

that is hot! need to check out the mixtape, Natalie Storm prob had my fave song on the Dem Gyal Sitt'n Riddim from a few years back (LOOOVE this riddim):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzYZlm3ohnA

have you heard this BTW:

http://soundcloud.com/tandarecords/01-hot-gyal

TNT - Tifa, Natalie Storm & Timberlee

i hadn't heard that! but it's off the same ep as "running". DOWNLOADING NOW it's awesome. this all feels like completely inappropriate breakfast time music btw

<3

the past day or so, everything i listen to that isn't 'hold yuh' just doesn't seem to cut it.

sweet i love it when u start an ilm thread & come back to it a day later and it has exploded w/ links & youtube riches

so jealous of ppl for whom this is a radio jam. lol me, i discovered it via ezra koenigs "guest list" feature on p4k. but i did hear it playing out of a car a couple days later

really glad someone nominated this for the trax list. or a uk funky remix at least. no doubt top 5 for me

I have it in my Pazz & Jop top songs list

can't get past "feel calm" almost broke down listening to it :o

yeah it can take one like that :/

great thread, loved gyptian on the "serious times" comp. but hadn't sought out anything more since

lots of good tips itt

Diplo remix is also very awesome

Yes it was the biggest reggae crossover of 2010 but one of the keys to Gyptian’s success was the sheer volume of pop, soca, chutney, house, UK funky and reggaeton remixes, refixes and answer records this shit generated. Even on its own Ricky Blaze’s spare arrangement foregrounded the kind of raw, striking melody that can be all things to all islands; though it is most likely a variation on a North African pop song, I’ve heard the spare, plinky keys on the intro described as Latin jazz piano by a mambo connoisseur and steel pan by a Guyanese hipster.We called it here and here

http://largeup.okayplayer.com/2011/01/04/toppa-top-10-pan-caribbean-anthems-of-2010/

^also via there, Los Rakas, “Abrazame” & Los Rakas, “Abrazame” Uproot Andy refix

didn't realize gyptian was uk either

― J0rdan S., Saturday, January 8, 2011

He's a UK-born Jamaican who grew up in Jamaica I think (website bios suggest that)

o

Fader mag list posted december 22

Top 14 Versions of Gyptian’s “Hold Yuh” In Our iTunes
14. Gyptian f. Foxy Brown, “Hold Yuh (Remix)”
13. Los Rakas f. Faviola, “Abrazame”
12. IPhone Voice Memo 2/03/10 (recorded to create our “Hold Yuh” ringtone)
11. Gyptian, Hold Yuh “La Roux/ Major Lazer Remix)”
10. Gyptain f. Vybz Kartel and Machel Montano, “Hold Yuh (Soca Remix)”
9. Michael Montano, “Wine on Me (Hold Yuh Riddim)”
8. Gyptian, “Hold Yuh (Major Lazer Remix)”
7. Jazmine Sullivan, “Luv Back”
6. Gyptian, “Hold Yuh”
5. Gyptian, “Nah Let Go”
4. Ricky Blaze, “You and I”
3. Gyptian f. Nicki Minaj, “Hold Yuh (Remix)”
2. Lady Saw, “Me Hold Yuh”
1. Los Rakas, “Abrazame (Uproot Andy Remix)”

1. Los Rakas, “Abrazame (Uproot Andy Remix)”

Yeah this is an absolute favourite of mine.

i claim total ignorance about dancehall, but damn, "Feel Calm" really is amazing.

or not *dancehall*, but just this entire aspect of dance music in general.

damn, "me hold yuh"

moeveryone i know who's into hyperdub is also already into funkystepz so there might not be any. now who's got the cognitive dissonance!

uh *everyone

I've been right about every single one of these issues to date lex.

moeveryone i know who's into hyperdub is also already into funkystepz

pretty sure this doesn't include people who live in the u.s.

The soca refix is the one i've been playing constantly for the last year. I'm always surprised that soca / soca remixes don't make more of an impact on the charts.

I've been right about every single one of these issues to date lex.

citing dissensus isn't proof of anything

i'm just saying, i bet there are a lot of people here (like me) who have gotten into hyperdub, but don't care for/about funky.

i listened to some funkystepz tracks on youtube and it sounds like it's put together well, even if it's not my thing. still, that name, ugh.

yeah i guess you can find any combination of fan tastes to prove whatever point you want to make in every case, but treating it as a rule of thumb misrepresents the people actually involved in the scene itself. what australian dubstep fans think has no bearing whatsoever on how either the music or the scene works and i couldn't really care less about it.

Lex on ILX last year:

Post-dubstep (esp. Night Slugs) and UK Funky are all part of the same genre. Those dudes love and respect UK funky in all its guises.

Resident Advisor interview with Bok Bok last year:

Connolly is also swift to dismiss any suggested associations between UK Funky and the label. "I wouldn't want any genre name applied to the label at all," he says sharply. "UK funky is something totally different. It was Crazy Cousinz, Roska and all those dudes back then. I think that UK funky as a genre is pretty much obsolete now. I think it has turned into a big soup of different sounds."

It's pretty much impossible with a global, heavily net-based scene like post-dubstep to have audience attitudes that are entirely different from country to country, at best you've got regional variations and time lag issues whereby the mindset originates in one place and migrates to another.

lol that's l-vis, not bok bok. iirc i was arguing that what NS, then very nascent, was doing was similar enough to funky, and in close enough proximity to it, that it could be discussed on that thread in lieu of anywhere else suitable. i trust that thread is now pure and free of anything except 4hr radio sets and songs that aren't available for anyone to hear?

as for the strawman audience will you bear in mind for once that i know a lot of these people, lol. i'm not going to put words in their mouth about what they think but a lot of the positions you ascribe to them (esp harking on about "dubstep"!) couldn't be further from the truth.

and in this case, not one person i know will have any cognitive dissonance about funkystepz releasing music on hyperdub. (the ep in question is only ok, fwiw; my enjoyment of funkystepz' remixes far outstrips my enjoyment of their own tunes, vocal or instrumental.)

saying that uk funky and dubstep or post dubstep have similar audiences is pretty much just wrong. like maybe in your house.

which is why the djs often get booked for the same nights, producers get released on the same labels, get covered in the same places...

obviously there's a huge amount of dubstep fans who aren't into funky, that's because funky is tiny and more than a touch insular.

uh the problem comes when you start acting like theres no diff b/w "genre" and "scene" idk possibly there is a major crosspollination in like london uk scenes but dubstep is like a big global thing now and in gen it seems that ppl dont really give a shit abt london outside of london. that is in my world of ppl dubstep is p ahistorically digested, its also p much the standard music that ppl who would have liked manu chao a few years ago like now so

Sorry, L-Vis. Even more apposite given he was more funky than Bok Bok anyway.

Lex I could quote your specific comments on the funky house thread but I didn't want to have this argument with you again really. Especially since you seem stuck on the notion that what your friends think (and what I think about what your friends think) is the only point in issue here. Not that I've ever said anything that could be construed as terribly nasty about anyone let alone your friends.

At any rate it's an undeniable development: the amount of funky in night slugs-ish sets has dropped precipitously in the last 18 months as the amount of post-dubstep producers doing similar work to Night Slugs has risen. That's not an anti-funky thing, it's a pretty natural and unsurprising trend: post-dubsteppers back in 2008 needed uk funky tunes to fill in the gaps of the vibe they were trying to create, whereas they need it a lot less now.

The emergent consensus is the one that blackdown promotes: that the real function of uk funky was to provide a launchpad for the emergence of the (more vital, thrilling, important, significant) "uk house" sound.

part of that is because there's just way less great funky being produced right now. most of the funky i've enjoyed this year has been pop remixes. and nothing touches what was coming out in 08/09.

u have to admit tho uk funky is p terrible

So what you're saying lex is that I was wrong about this a year ago, and I'm only right now because funky itself is to blame?

That's torturous logic. And also incorrect. Funky was as good in 2010 as in 2008 or 2009, whether or not you were paying attention. It could very well go off the boil this year but even that couldn't retroactively explain the above trend.

I mean you're basically applying the same logic you complain of indie listeners applying to R&B.

most of the funky i've enjoyed this year has been pop remixes.

Given you're so into night slugs et al lex it makes sense to me that you'd gravitate towards the funky that really can't be thought of as inhabiting the same or a similar space - you'd be less interested in say Funkystepz's "Fuller" (and more into their pop tunes) because you already listen to a lot of other synthy syncopated instrumental house-not-house and don't really need more of it - which not co-incidentally is the reason I think interest levels in uk funky have dropped among the post-dubstep audience as a whole.

Whereas, say in late 2008, where else but in uk funky could you hear a tune like "Seasons"?

"seasons" that was released on night slugs? given their first few releases (mosca, lil silva), tying them to UK funky was really not remotely a stretch.

Funky was as good in 2010 as in 2008 or 2009, whether or not you were paying attention.

i paid it enough attention and there are many funky tunes i loved from '10, but where is anything of the calibre of "do you mind" or "falling again" or "in the air" or, you know, everything from the 08/09 crop that made me (and the night slugs fam) obsess over it as a genre? "pull me close" came close for me and "it's what you do" is pretty good, but please don't say that clattery mess that is "house girls" is anything like that quality.

and ringfencing funky just seems like a weird strategy - finally we have a uk funky top 5 hit, katy b's "lights on", but to get there it had to use a dubstep trojan horse. which i said would happen at the time, given katy b's history, but nooooooo "katy on a mission" was just seen as proof that she'd gone over to some non-existent dark side.

No, "Katy on a Mission" was proof that she made a song with a boring beat. That's all I've ever said. I like Katy but i'm not so invested in her personally that I'm gonna take one for the team and pretend to like a tune that I don't like much.

Again, I've never denied that Night Slugs had an affinity with UK funky, and I've never resented or complained about labels like Night Slugs and Numbers releasing funky tunes on occasion - if anything I was rather surprised by the Resident Advisor piece on Night Slugs in this regard, I would have thought L-Vis would cast the label's relationship with funky in much more positive and strong terms; there's certainly justification for this in the music the label puts out (not just Lil' Silva). And, you know, the VIP of "Square One" is a great UK funky tune, or easily can work that way at least.

Consistently, you have complained whenever I've made any attempt to suggest that some stuff works just as "UK funky" and some stuff is kind of liminal UK funky, on the border between it and other stuff. Much of the time, me making reference to this has been less about border policing than about trying to talk about the dynamics of uk funky, the way the music hangs together as a style and (in particular) in the mix. A typical Night Slugs-heavy DJ set (including by Night Slugs artists), or a dj set by Oneman for example, has a different dynamic. Not a bad dynamic! Just a different one. Prohibiting any acknowledgment of this makes it very difficult to talk about how any of this stuff works with any real specificity.

Having said that, I assume from your comments upthread you no longer agree with this, for example:

Closer to what I'd consider to be funky's "core"

NNNGGGGGGG tim please don't DO THAT!

― lex pretend, Monday, January 4, 2010 11:16 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

non-existent divisions! again!

― lex pretend, Monday, January 4, 2010 11:16 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

I don't really understand this debate because I feel like I'm always going to great pains to be circumspect and fair and cast our differences of opinion in neutral terms, and then you keep grossly exaggerating me while constantly claiming that I'm the one engaging in strawmanning.

Like, nothing that I have said about Night Slugs' relationship to funky goes as far as even what L-Vis himself says!

But if I've said something both mortally offensive and incorrect at any stage please draw it to my attention so that I can apologise and retract as appropriate.

the real function of uk funky was to provide a launchpad for the emergence of the (more vital, thrilling, important, significant) "uk house" sound.

god bless UK Funky for providing a launchpad for the vital, thrilling, important, significant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vP09cwS4Wk

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKvq8V29dE0

i was at a bar tonight that was having a 'salsa night' & i heard either a really dope salsa remix of "hold yuh" or a really dope salsa song that used the "hold yuh" riddim -- either way i can't find it on youtube :(

assuming you don't mean the los rakas version (closer to reggaeton)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLfNTztmSXU

Love that so so much. The scenes where the couple are dancing on the beach make my </3 forever.

otm

The one that's been making the rounds in all nightclubs in spain I've been in is called 'vaina loca'. I'd much rather hear the Rakas version - which is probably my favorite version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfkoBjLKjAg

^ I get this is probably the one you heard Jordan, as the rakas version is probably better known around the blogosphere than in the real world.

both of those are really great -- especially the los rakas version -- but nah it was neither of those

this one was super heavy on salsa percussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLYKcrH4bQI&feature=related

There's so many of 'em. Wonder which one it is?

that is dope xp

\(o_O)/

I need a gif of 2:35-2:40.

ha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyxUMRZFukw

sometimes you just gotta know when to say bollocks to the cutesy global village

I see you and I raise you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgLEzw8Mb-M

shankle my nankle i was not ready for that drop

Yeah I know! It's like, ho hum, so far so standard bassline biz, then !!!!!!!!!

like a fast bike pon the road vroom vroom, vroom vroom indeed

this is relevant to the interests of "hold yuh" fans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWJrb9i9hOs

when i was in the dentist waiting room the other day a girl had hold yuh as her ring tone <3

ok this ice prince song is pushing all my buttons, thank you thank you

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/events/e9wmxj/acts/adfrbp

him at hackney weekender is a must pree - SO SO GREAT

gyppo will never not be my fave, the charisma is just through the roof

thinking abt going to see him w/ tarrus riley... why does it have to be at the o2???

^^^^^^ this was amazing btw

tarrus riley! gyptian!