battle of the egomaniacal, pan-genre overproducers w/ albums of shimmering genius that i want to drown in '10

thanks for making this

oh great, now he wants to drown puffy and kanye

fuck you if you vote kanye

i like the kanye record probably more than every other LTTP voter, but this isn't even a remotely tough choice for me

i'm kind of worried ppl wont click on the thread title

also i voted kanye

people probably won't

well idk is that such a bad thing? i'm not gonna be sad if loannis doesn't get to defend kanye's record on another thread

this thread is about how diddy's record is better that kanye's record

idk what to say about this really

the puffy album is longer and still more consistent & on top of that, it's length and scope aren't buffered my nonsense like 6 combined minutes of vocoder piss & chris rock

still haven't bought either of these yet but i'll vote diddy because i'm pretty sure that's what i'll think

fuck you if you vote kanye

― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Friday, January 21, 2011 12:14 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

also the guests are involved in LTTP in a completely homogeneous & sensible fashion -- diddy creates a world where a long stream of huge international superstars adds to the storyline of the album -- all the guests pop up at the right time & maybe the only one you could quibble w/ is the weird biggie cameo, but even that makes sense because of how intertwined diddy still is w/ him

otoh, on ye's album the guests can get tiring, esp in the middle part, and even something like the awesome rick ross part on "devil in a new dress" has been rightfully criticized for seeming grafted on

fuck you if you vote kanye

― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Friday, January 21, 2011 12:14 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

― some dude, Friday, January 21, 2011 12:23 AM (2 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

fuck you if you vote kanye

― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Friday, January 21, 2011 12:14 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

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― call all destroyer, Friday, January 21, 2011 1:23 PM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark

my guess is diddy is the better swimmer.

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fuck you if you vote kanye

― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Friday, January 21, 2011 12:14 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

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― call all destroyer, Friday, January 21, 2011 1:23 PM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark

― dayo, Friday, January 21, 2011 12:24 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

see, now I have to vote for kanye. on general principle.

fuck you, pillbox!

fuck you, pillbox!

― call all destroyer, Friday, January 21, 2011 1:47 PM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark

fuck you, pillbox!

― call all destroyer, Friday, January 21, 2011 1:47 PM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark

― dayo, Friday, January 21, 2011 12:47 AM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark

^^ not a constructive way of getting folks to give the diddy record a proper look tbh

i just couldn't resist piling on for the sake of a gag, no ill will to pillbox

srsly guys... i'm crushed :(

contrarianism here makes me want to vote kanye

http://1hiphopucit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/diddy-pool-party-2.jpg
http://mobile.holymoly.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/mobile_450/big-pictures_t_kanye-west-amber-rose-in-bikini-on-beach-and-by-pool-in-barcelona-19080912.jpg

those slacks look ill fitting

contrarianism here makes me want to vote kanye

― max, Friday, January 21, 2011 12:19 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i feel u, but its really a much crappier album :(

Also trying to reverse-contraristan ILX is a mug's game.

Is there a third album that you could contraristan for over and against both of these? I can't think of one.

ariel pink lol

Pretty sure there's an implied term of Contraristan's Constitution that reputable indie rock doesn't count.

i vote dave coulier

the contraristan here would be the jazmine album?

if only swizz had released his album last year!

voted kanye because it is the better album

fuck you if you vote kanye

― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Friday, January 21, 2011 5:14 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

maybe the only one you could quibble w/ is the weird biggie cameo, but even that makes sense because of how intertwined diddy still is w/ him

i rolled my eyes slightly at the single but it makes total sense on the album; it comes after the weird gilded cage of "shades", which is where diddy and the voices in his head (cuz that's the function justin and wayne play there) seem on the verge of tipping into madness, and "angels" is the album's dark night of the soul, set in a gothic cathedral, wandering into the graveyard - and obviously, there he's haunted by the ghost of biggie - as j0rdan says one of the most important figures from his past.

i am so fucked. ouchie.

Don't like either of these, these gigantic all-star-cast blockbuster ego-trip "narrative" albums are really the last thing I want to be listening to nowadays.

Really, I love ILX. I mean who else, where else could you find something so ridiculous as a Pink Floyd vs. Joy Division poll?

― Progoths = Prog Rock Goths (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:09 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I mean I'm just so happy we didn't have to go to war over Pink Floyd. Whew. We didn't have to have the barroom brawl. Everyone is happy. Oh man. Whew.

― Progoths = Prog Rock Goths (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:15 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Ugh, this is not right. So not right.

― Someone Still Loves You Evan and Jaron (Tape Store), Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:18 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

No, it is the will of ILX. We can live with this. We can. Yes we can.

― Progoths = Prog Rock Goths (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Saturday, January 24, 2009 10:00 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

:-(

i rolled my eyes slightly at the single but it makes total sense on the album; it comes after the weird gilded cage of "shades", which is where diddy and the voices in his head (cuz that's the function justin and wayne play there) seem on the verge of tipping into madness, and "angels" is the album's dark night of the soul, set in a gothic cathedral, wandering into the graveyard

It's shit like this that puts me off, it's like why should I care about Diddy's ostentatious introspection? It's so fucking indie. Go and party on a yacht in Miami or something!

well he does that too on the album, doesn't he. by your reasoning anything that deals in emotion is "indie"!

and it sounds like what you want out of pop is, like, ke$ha

It's more a personal thing, I am utterly incapable of identifying with these hugely rich successful people and their problems so they just seem whiny and self-indulgent to me. I don't give a shit. I don't want to watch films about the private demons of the super-rich and super-famous either unless there's a really interesting compelling personality shining through and I don't get that with either Diddy or Kanye.

It's also probably why I like the other two Dream albums much more than Love vs Money.

i listen for the music myself. but then, i'm crazy like that.

and it sounds like what you want out of pop is, like, ke$ha

Yeah but you know this full-well not to be the case. It's the self-indulgence rather than the emotions.

diddy: helping us all understand that the rich have cathedral shaped emotions too - by making music so lovely you can ignore them

diddy easily

ftr i <3 pillbox

i rolled my eyes slightly at the single but it makes total sense on the album; it comes after the weird gilded cage of "shades", which is where diddy and the voices in his head (cuz that's the function justin and wayne play there) seem on the verge of tipping into madness, and "angels" is the album's dark night of the soul, set in a gothic cathedral, wandering into the graveyard - and obviously, there he's haunted by the ghost of biggie - as j0rdan says one of the most important figures from his past.

― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, January 21, 2011 3:11 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is great!

Yeezy reupholstered my Debussy

people make threads with lj posts about lj more than he does imo

I totally think of Oasis when I spin east coast rap

? LJ prolly hate oasis and never talk abt them iirc

Oasis are more like Dre and Snoop. East Coast rap is closer to My Bloody Valentine or Swervedriver.

please. stop.

Outkast are totally the Blur to Kanye's Oasis - got there first, way better, solo projects not bad either, doesn't matter that they got outlasted

hey I like analogies now

i have created a monster

Xxxpost he compared the kanye album to Be Here Now.

STOP IT. NOW.

Guess I gotta listen to the Diddy album now, do my penance to this thread

may even end up liking it. someone wanna give odds on that?

lock thread before someone compares cam'ron to kevin rowland...though...come to think....

clipse = ween?

why bother with jazz when you could listen to eminem, the duke ellington of hiphop

― -+-+-+-++, Friday, April 14, 2006 8:59 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark

Clipse=folk implosion

this thread is about how diddy's record is better that kanye's record

― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Friday, January 21, 2011 12:19 AM (11 hours ago)

I for one feel like the 5,000 ILM posts discussing these two albums have been insufficient, so let's knock this derail off the head.

:)

Guess I gotta listen to the Diddy album now, do my penance to this thread

may even end up liking it. someone wanna give odds on that?

― kate bush fan (acoleuthic), Friday, January 21, 2011 5:09 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i have no idea whether you will, but you should do it

Derail is cool BUT NOT THIS FUCKING DERAIL. NO. NO. NO.

back on track:

Is Rick Ross the only dude to be on both albums?

yes, altho minaj was on the official "hello good morning" remix

I have to pick between two albums by two rich black males whose albums are basically about them whining on how they won't let go of their delusional male privelge for a chance of true love. The albums are like twins who were separated from birth. I wish their was a tie option.

^^^valuable comments

thing is 'love' is one of those things everyone has a delusional privilege about

Swizz on both albums too

also Jay if you count ghostwriting on the Diddy

i think the real star of both albums is LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE

Tbh, I don't really see LTTP as being dependent on a narrative of Diddy's fame and wealth at all. Most mentions of it are pretty much in passing, and he doesn't really dwell on it like Kanye does. It's just kind of background noise to the love/redemption stories, whereas Kanye very much foregrounds it.

yeah i may be just enjoying the sound of the album too much to care but i've never noticed anything going on in the album that makes me give a second thought to the album's supposed narrative or Diddy's emotional state. actually, once or twice it did make me wonder if he's STILL pining for J.Lo

And I don't think it's fair to call the album whiny either. Puff for the whole album sounds like he's tying to work through his shit, where Kanye wants to impress you with his problems more than deal with them. Diddy couldn't care less about that.

the lyrics on lttp are pretty straightforward heartbreak stuff; if u object to them u object to....love songs?

I was just joking in my assessment. I love both albums equally even though I eye roll in Diddy's and Kanye's attempts at sincerity.

rev otm

i'm kind of worried ppl wont click on the thread title

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, January 21, 2011 12:16 AM (23 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

def avoided it til now. then at first thought the poll was who'd id rather see you drown

I would drown Diddy. Kanye still has a glimmer of hope with therapy.

Diddy seems pretty well-adjusted imo, i think he's kind of figured out how to live.

http://wtfoodge.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/diddywtfisthis-thumb.jpg

http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv26/ufckingpics/diddyonajetski.jpg

We should invite Diddy to 77.

Puff for the whole album sounds like he's tying to work through his shit, where Kanye wants to impress you with his problems more than deal with them.

yes, v otm.

good post

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

haha awesome

if only whiney were here to see this

<3 u ilm

Kind of glad of these results especially after seeing that crappy "All Of The Lights" video. Kanye is actually irking me now after years of toleration. I guess we all have our limits.

oh god i forgot this was the thread with the interminable whiney/lj argument about prog, h8 u ilm

Love is a motherfuck lex. haha