Springsteen Backlash Fever!

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Can anybody direct me to any particularly scathing reviews of the new Springsteen album? I want to read them all. They do my soul good. Today's Wall Street Journal(!), featured a particularly hateful diatribe angainst the very existence of The Boss and anyone who writes anything positive about him. It was a hoot. And I don't even hate Bruce. The best part was when this guy said that if Bruce had written "Take The 'A' Train" their would have been a homeless guy on the train and the tune would have been crap.I also loved that line in the Voice review that said that if 9/11 hadn't happened, Bruce would have had to invent it.Maybe I'm just in a shitty mood. I need more sacred cow evisceration.I find it inspiring. If any of you out there are working on a manifesto that destroys every myth and cliche held dear by boomer editors and tenured idiot dinosaur pop/cult snooze-artists let me know.I'd like to read them.( I tried my hand at this when I wrote my now famous essay,"Why Baltimore House Music Is The New Dylan",but I failed cuz I drink to much.You can read it on-line in Post Road Magazine-Issue 3-It didn't work, but I'll try again.) Is it even possible to kill evil with words? Should you just write nice things about the people you like? Or should you try to topple regimes by pointing out the chauvinism of ultra-orthodox tastemakers?

Scott Seward, Friday, 23 August 2002 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)

a particularly hateful diatribe angainst the very existence of The Boss

And they didn't ask me to write it? Bastards.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 August 2002 19:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm starting to wonder if the only thing more boring than the Boomer Canon are the arguments against it. I think "Born To Run" is one of the best songs of the 1970s and his overall output in that decade is classic and if you want to call me an imbecile for thinking so then fine, knock yourself out.

You want to topple a boring, pretentious canon, go pick on Fugazi. NOBODY does that.

Nate Patrin, Friday, 23 August 2002 19:28 (twenty-three years ago)

You want to topple a boring, pretentious canon, go pick on Fugazi.

You kidding me? I once sent Ian Mackaye a snarky postcard bitching about some Fugazi lyric that pissed me off. I might have a photocopy of it somewhere, but I can't even remember what song it was from, sorry.

Michael Daddino, Friday, 23 August 2002 19:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I think "Born To Run" is one of the best songs of the 1970s

I think it's one of the best of the eighties -- thanks to that ridiculously wonderful Frankie Goes to Hollywood cover.

I only just recently actually heard anything off of Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell, and I have to say I prefer that insane Springsteen-goes-Broadway equivalent to the Real Thing. It's just more fun to listen to, really.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 August 2002 19:39 (twenty-three years ago)

His name is Robert Paulson.

paul cox, Friday, 23 August 2002 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

By all means, pick on Fugazi! The world is your oyster. I think you should refute whatever information you find pernicious. I also looooove the song "Born To Run". And the FGTH cover is likewise excellent!

Scott Seward, Friday, 23 August 2002 19:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't like their singing much and sometimes their fans kinda frighten me. (Er that's about as much crankiness as I can muster right now, especially with the spectre of my shortsighted "Basement Jaxx and Daft Punk are for boring cokeheads" comments from rockcritics.com's Top Fives perpetually biting me in the ass.)

Nate Patrin, Friday, 23 August 2002 20:06 (twenty-three years ago)

And now I just turned on the local college radio station and either them or a band that sounds exactly like Fugazi is playing right now. I am SPOOKED. Don't kill me Guy Picciopizzicatto!

Nate Patrin, Friday, 23 August 2002 20:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Weren't Minor Threat fans the scary ones? I would think Fugazi fans would be tame and loveable.Aren't they the ones with the anally symmetrical badges running the course of their knapsacks? Maybe I have it wrong.Also: Don't ever worry about anything you write coming back to haunt you. You can always change it later in the revised edition. Plus, we all just end up dying.

Scott Seward, Friday, 23 August 2002 20:12 (twenty-three years ago)

The Minor Threat ones seem like the pushy kind of scary, while the Fugazi ones might be a bit more like the evangelical types. Scientologists vs. Jehovah's Witnesses, maybe.

(Also I'm pretty sure the band that spooked me is merely a second-rate whine-singin' knockoff. They are LIVE IN STUDIO, DUDE on radiok.org. And boy howdy do they sound pained.)

Nate Patrin, Friday, 23 August 2002 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Come to think of it, Fugazi and Springsteen have a lot in common. Cult-like audience. Strong work ethic. Marathon shows. Resistance to change. Boy Scout-like dogged, plain, earnest, integrity-oozing demeanor. They should tour together.

Scott Seward, Friday, 23 August 2002 20:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Courtesy of Michaelangelo Matos: http://www.bergenrecord.com/cgi-bin/page.pl?id=4510561

I wrote that Voice piece Scott quoted. I haven't gotten as much threatening feedback as I expected, although this made me smile:

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020902&s=alterman (Especially the part about failing to "engage the culture of the common people")

For the record, I LOVE Bruce up to and including Tunnel of Love, he's probably one of three artists who helped define my eighteen-year-old self, and he seems like an unflaggingly decent guy.

That said, The Rising is a sanctimonious bore, and his fans (especially the white collar media types) are unbearable anymore. Has anyone written a piece debunking the myth of Springsteen's "working class" fanbase? Last I checked, poor folks were listening to a lot more metal, rap, and country than "The Ghost of Tom Joad."

Keith Harris, Friday, 23 August 2002 20:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Well I'm going to shrug and roll my eyes when (I doubt it's a matter of "if") The Rising makes #1 on Pazz and Jop simply because there's one or two moments too many where he seems a bit hamfisted lyrically (spot-on with that 'Sesame Street' ref there, Keith) and others where he sounds, well, like an act that was great in the '70s recording an album 25+ years later. It picks up okay in the middle but I haven't felt all that compelled to listen to it that much since about a week after I bought it. I just hope more people don't start retroactively talking shit about his earlier work because of it (but then, The Wall Street Journal is not exactly the most reliable source of rockcrit, I'm guessing).

Nate Patrin, Friday, 23 August 2002 20:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Keith, That piece was great! Thanks for writing it.They called you a Leftist in the Wall Street Journal today. Hope you are okay with that. One of my favorite lines of the year in the one where you say Bruce's church service isn't the one where you get to handle snakes, it's the one where you miss kickoff!! That was right on.Sorry if I garbled that. Anyhow, It's not Springsteen I have the problem with. It's that any kind of point/counterpoint, dissension from the myth or lack thereof rarely gets printed.Go figure that the most critical pieces on the album came from the Journal and the Voice. Whaddya make of that? ( Tho, yur piece was good criticism. The journal guy just fucking hates Bruce, Katie Couric and Kurt Loder.)

Scott Seward, Friday, 23 August 2002 20:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks Scott, Nate. A leftist, huh? That's what I thought I was, but Eric "CD Reviews like this are the real reason Gore lost Florida" Alterman compares me to Ann Coulter. (Scott, I'm curious--could you email me what the Journal says about me? They don't let you read the paper online for free, natch).

Yeah, why is everyone acting like if they say anything bad about Bruce, Anthony DeCurtis is going to make them clap erasers after school? I think it's worth noting, also, how many of the puff pieces are written by non-music writers (A.O. Scott in Slate!)

My other favorite response is that, if you don't like The Rising, you're not a "real" Springsteen fan. Creepy America First parallels there, huh? I'm waiting for the "Bruce Springsteen, love him or leave him bumper stickers."

Keith Harris, Friday, 23 August 2002 21:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Say, that Journal article wouldn't happen to be of a conservative bent, would it? I mean if one of the main reasons the writer hates Springsteen is the whole "socialist unionist populist working class commie bastard" idea (which is what it sounds like) then maybe it's a whole different weird area we're getting into here.

Nate Patrin, Friday, 23 August 2002 21:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Keith, I feel like a dummy. I read the thing at work and left it there. I should have kept it. It was a hilarious rant.I forgot that unlike the Times you can't read the current ish for free. He mentions the Alterman piece and finds it funny that lefty attacks lefty for some reason. Ah, jeez, the thing was fucked.Any ILM people subscribe to the journal? I doubt it. Nate, I definitely got the vibe that the journal guy thought Bruce was faking the working class thang. He quotes another piece from somewhere that goes like this, "Bruce might not work a 40 hour week, but he knows what it feels like to work 40 hours a week." His response was basically, OH BROTHER! The thing had a conservative bent ( natch ), but I don't usually mind if something is funny. I think P.J. O'Roarke is funny.

Scott Seward, Friday, 23 August 2002 21:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyone else notice that the best 9/11 albums (like the best 9/11 movies) were all completed before 9/11? I'm thinking of The Argument (you heard it, Nate?) and Spidey for starters.

Pete Scholtes, Friday, 23 August 2002 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Minneapolis in the motherfucking ILM hizzouse! (And St. Paul, Nate.)

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 23 August 2002 22:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd actually go further than Keith: it's not so much "yr not a REAL Broooce fan" if you don't like The Rising, it's "you don't care about what happened on 9/11 if you don't like it," beating us over the head with the event-stick in order to guilt us into liking crappy art, the way we were supposed to overlook the fact that the beginning and ending of Saving Private Ryan were godawful sanctimonius garbage or else we "just didn't care about those who died" (actual quote from actual person upon leaving actual theater after seeing that movie).

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 23 August 2002 22:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Lots of albums I heard in '01 (whether released that year or not) sort of take on that 9-11 weight; the "New York is evil at its core/so those who have more than them/prepare to be victims" line in Can Ox's "Iron Galaxy" creeps me the fuck out when I try to make that connection, as does Grandaddy's "He's Simple, He's Dumb, He's the Pilot". And let's not forget some of the connections people made with Love and Theft...
The only song I've actually heard about 9/11 that made me really take notice so far was Sage Francis' "Makeshift Patriot", and that was mostly due to the then-unusually-skeptical nature of the lyrics juxtaposed with some disturbingly vivid imagery.

Nate Patrin, Friday, 23 August 2002 22:42 (twenty-three years ago)

the stray ref to homeless 9/11 victims in Aesop Rock's "Nickel Plated Pockets" is pretty powerful, methinks. I also like the songs about it on the new Sleater-Kinney album, though not as much as "Oh!" and its ilk.

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 23 August 2002 22:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Jeezus Nate and Michael you are two Def Jux Junkies. Please don't hate me too much. If you'd like I'll forward you the lovely e-mail El-P sent me. Anyhoo, Springsteen of late has way too much of a "Waiting For Lefty", "Now Let Us Praise Famous Men", sepia-toned view and gloss on poverty, deprivation and general under-employed malaise. It's museum quality. I say let Charlie Daniels speak for the people and let him do it on national t.v.The network media has much to stately an idea of what constitutes proper patriotism given it's don't ask don't tell coverage of recent events.They want to stop the jingoism at the door while providing less than nothing in the way of alternatives or opposition to bloodshed. Sorry, I'm drunk.Howzabout that new Interpol album? God, I'm dreading the 9/11 anniversary hooplah.

Scott Seward, Friday, 23 August 2002 22:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Cockburn should write a response. He'd tear it up.

That said, I've liked the album the few times I've spun it. And the quip about 9/11 making Springsteen very vague is k-brill and everyone I've repeated it too has laffed. I think its a far more cogent response to 9/11 than S-K's though, and I very much agree with Dave Q about the *ahem* problematized sexual lyrics running through it. I've been listening to the Live LP set lately though, and it occurs to me that Atlantic City is just as pre/post 9/11 as The Rising and resonates more on that level.

Also the album would have been *perfect* if it had American Skin.

Also, "Let Us Now Praise Famous Men" is like the greatest book ever partly because you feel Agee finding his voice in a way we don't feel Bruce.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 23 August 2002 23:07 (twenty-three years ago)

(I was told mpls and st paul were in the motherfucking etc. but I've never heard any bruce albums. I just wanted to say that I love fugazi and have no patches on my backpack.)

Josh (Josh), Friday, 23 August 2002 23:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Sterling, Maybe I should have said a Dorothea Lange photo instead of Agee. Agee rocks bells. Hell, just his film crit alone puts him head and shoulders above.What about this though. Pre-9/11, Bruce's big statement was an anti-police violence dirge that pissed off a hell of a lot of flatfoots. Is all forgiven? It seems to be forgotten!Now he's everyone's hero again. Does he blow with the wind?

Scott Seward, Friday, 23 August 2002 23:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a friend back in Jersey, her dad's a cop up on Long Island somewheres. She was a big Bruce fan, but she was so pissed about "American Skin" she refused to buy Bruce tickets. So she made her boyfriend buy them. The politics of Springsteen fandom are complicated, it seems.

I'm offended by the fact that Eric Alterman is considered a lefty.

Keith Harris (kharris1128), Saturday, 24 August 2002 04:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Alterman inadvertantly proves Keith's point: Why should any album require advocacy in the front of the Nation? It's like when Cockburn attacked Pauline Kael for her pan of Roger & Me. (He was funnier skewering Steven Spielberg for accepting an Oscar on behalf of people who died in the Holocaust.)

I'll buy that there's a mythos around Bruce's blue-collar audience, Keith. But generalizations are slippery: My cousin in Detroit is an auto worker and loves Bruce, the Clash, the Meters, and Pantera. Go figure.

Here's another lefty, also in Minneapolis, who says EVERYONE has Bruce wrong:

http://www.rakemag.com/coals/detail.asp?catID=58&itemID=642

Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 24 August 2002 07:02 (twenty-three years ago)

nice piece. makes me miss reading him more frequently. (he used to be the editor of City Pages and wrote a lot and well there.) and I gotta say, it's the first positive review of the album that didn't reek of sanctimony that I've read.

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 24 August 2002 10:29 (twenty-three years ago)

The most eerie pre 9/11 album is Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (and sorry Matos, it's not the sham of the year--that award is going to the new Bright Eyes album.)

Don Weiner, Saturday, 24 August 2002 12:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Trust me, Don, you do NOT have to apologize to Matos for calling Bright Eyes a sham.

Nate Patrin, Saturday, 24 August 2002 14:53 (twenty-three years ago)

no you do not

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 24 August 2002 21:48 (twenty-three years ago)

for the record, the most eerie (for me) pre-9/11 songs were Basement Jaxx's "Red Alert" and Built to Spill's "Virginia Reel Around the Fountain (Live)"

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 24 August 2002 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Peter, good point about generalizing about audiences. I think the important difference to point out here is between the working poor and the comfortably blue collar world I was raised in--contractors, cops, like that. That's a class distinction no one seems to make much of, certainly not anyone who considers them all "common people." (Although Born in the USA does chart the erosion between the two categories that started in the late 70s). I bet age comes into play too. I would imagine that Springsteen fans under forty (thirty-five anyway) are less blue collar (though they may have a blue collar background).

Like the Perry piece a lot, but he left one important detail--The Rising is very, very boring.

Keith Harris (kharris1128), Sunday, 25 August 2002 14:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Touche!

Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 25 August 2002 15:41 (twenty-three years ago)


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