― Scott Seward, Friday, 23 August 2002 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)
And they didn't ask me to write it? Bastards.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 August 2002 19:25 (twenty-three years ago)
You want to topple a boring, pretentious canon, go pick on Fugazi. NOBODY does that.
― Nate Patrin, Friday, 23 August 2002 19:28 (twenty-three years ago)
You kidding me? I once sent Ian Mackaye a snarky postcard bitching about some Fugazi lyric that pissed me off. I might have a photocopy of it somewhere, but I can't even remember what song it was from, sorry.
― Michael Daddino, Friday, 23 August 2002 19:38 (twenty-three years ago)
I think it's one of the best of the eighties -- thanks to that ridiculously wonderful Frankie Goes to Hollywood cover.
I only just recently actually heard anything off of Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell, and I have to say I prefer that insane Springsteen-goes-Broadway equivalent to the Real Thing. It's just more fun to listen to, really.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 August 2002 19:39 (twenty-three years ago)
― paul cox, Friday, 23 August 2002 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)
― Scott Seward, Friday, 23 August 2002 19:55 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nate Patrin, Friday, 23 August 2002 20:06 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nate Patrin, Friday, 23 August 2002 20:08 (twenty-three years ago)
― Scott Seward, Friday, 23 August 2002 20:12 (twenty-three years ago)
(Also I'm pretty sure the band that spooked me is merely a second-rate whine-singin' knockoff. They are LIVE IN STUDIO, DUDE on radiok.org. And boy howdy do they sound pained.)
― Nate Patrin, Friday, 23 August 2002 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)
― Scott Seward, Friday, 23 August 2002 20:31 (twenty-three years ago)
I wrote that Voice piece Scott quoted. I haven't gotten as much threatening feedback as I expected, although this made me smile:
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020902&s=alterman (Especially the part about failing to "engage the culture of the common people")
For the record, I LOVE Bruce up to and including Tunnel of Love, he's probably one of three artists who helped define my eighteen-year-old self, and he seems like an unflaggingly decent guy.
That said, The Rising is a sanctimonious bore, and his fans (especially the white collar media types) are unbearable anymore. Has anyone written a piece debunking the myth of Springsteen's "working class" fanbase? Last I checked, poor folks were listening to a lot more metal, rap, and country than "The Ghost of Tom Joad."
― Keith Harris, Friday, 23 August 2002 20:35 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nate Patrin, Friday, 23 August 2002 20:46 (twenty-three years ago)
― Scott Seward, Friday, 23 August 2002 20:54 (twenty-three years ago)
Yeah, why is everyone acting like if they say anything bad about Bruce, Anthony DeCurtis is going to make them clap erasers after school? I think it's worth noting, also, how many of the puff pieces are written by non-music writers (A.O. Scott in Slate!)
My other favorite response is that, if you don't like The Rising, you're not a "real" Springsteen fan. Creepy America First parallels there, huh? I'm waiting for the "Bruce Springsteen, love him or leave him bumper stickers."
― Keith Harris, Friday, 23 August 2002 21:06 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nate Patrin, Friday, 23 August 2002 21:09 (twenty-three years ago)
― Scott Seward, Friday, 23 August 2002 21:23 (twenty-three years ago)
― Pete Scholtes, Friday, 23 August 2002 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 23 August 2002 22:19 (twenty-three years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 23 August 2002 22:23 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nate Patrin, Friday, 23 August 2002 22:42 (twenty-three years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 23 August 2002 22:45 (twenty-three years ago)
― Scott Seward, Friday, 23 August 2002 22:56 (twenty-three years ago)
That said, I've liked the album the few times I've spun it. And the quip about 9/11 making Springsteen very vague is k-brill and everyone I've repeated it too has laffed. I think its a far more cogent response to 9/11 than S-K's though, and I very much agree with Dave Q about the *ahem* problematized sexual lyrics running through it. I've been listening to the Live LP set lately though, and it occurs to me that Atlantic City is just as pre/post 9/11 as The Rising and resonates more on that level.
Also the album would have been *perfect* if it had American Skin.
Also, "Let Us Now Praise Famous Men" is like the greatest book ever partly because you feel Agee finding his voice in a way we don't feel Bruce.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 23 August 2002 23:07 (twenty-three years ago)
― Josh (Josh), Friday, 23 August 2002 23:26 (twenty-three years ago)
― Scott Seward, Friday, 23 August 2002 23:30 (twenty-three years ago)
I'm offended by the fact that Eric Alterman is considered a lefty.
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Saturday, 24 August 2002 04:09 (twenty-three years ago)
I'll buy that there's a mythos around Bruce's blue-collar audience, Keith. But generalizations are slippery: My cousin in Detroit is an auto worker and loves Bruce, the Clash, the Meters, and Pantera. Go figure.
Here's another lefty, also in Minneapolis, who says EVERYONE has Bruce wrong:
http://www.rakemag.com/coals/detail.asp?catID=58&itemID=642
― Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 24 August 2002 07:02 (twenty-three years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 24 August 2002 10:29 (twenty-three years ago)
― Don Weiner, Saturday, 24 August 2002 12:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nate Patrin, Saturday, 24 August 2002 14:53 (twenty-three years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 24 August 2002 21:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 24 August 2002 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)
Like the Perry piece a lot, but he left one important detail--The Rising is very, very boring.
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Sunday, 25 August 2002 14:16 (twenty-three years ago)
― Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 25 August 2002 15:41 (twenty-three years ago)