Lady GaGa - Born This Way [May 23, 2011]

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Single premieres this Friday! WHO'S EXCITED?!? I wonder if she can top The Fame Monster (which is pretty much perfect)...

The Brainwasher, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:18 (fourteen years ago)

font is cool but i wouldn't have even guessed that was her if i just saw the image w/ no type

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:20 (fourteen years ago)

please it looks just like her

some dude, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:22 (fourteen years ago)

She looks like the old dude who runs the Shell station across the street from me.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:23 (fourteen years ago)

someone should've popped that zit

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:23 (fourteen years ago)

http://blogue.us/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Marilyn-Manson-ps03.jpg

Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:28 (fourteen years ago)

aw

markers, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:29 (fourteen years ago)

does her tattoo say "TORT LOVE"

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:29 (fourteen years ago)

cant wait til her fans get horns implanted in their foreheads

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:29 (fourteen years ago)

hate the font/cover art in general, but looking fwd to the tunes

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:35 (fourteen years ago)

that font is pretty much the same as that one M83 record right

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:36 (fourteen years ago)

tokyo love

markers, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:36 (fourteen years ago)

http://i51.tinypic.com/erhrfk.jpg

markers, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:37 (fourteen years ago)

should have picked a tattoo artist w/ better handwriting imo

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:52 (fourteen years ago)

Single cover looks too much like an 1980 underground disco album, but maybe that's the point. Looking forward to album.

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:59 (fourteen years ago)

I anxiously await it.

NYCNative, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 14:16 (fourteen years ago)

i'm seeing her live in april -- assuming she'll play at least a few of her new tunes by then

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 15:15 (fourteen years ago)

Lady Gaga’s new album, Born This Way, does not come out until May, but the first single, of the same name, is, by the time you are reading this, no doubt blaring from the radio. I first hear the song when Gaga, iPod in hand, gets up from the sectional where we have been sitting, walks over to the stereo, plugs it in, and then looks at me and says, “Are you ready? I don’t think you’re ready.” She turns it up to eleven. The song at first sounds suspiciously like a Madonna tune and then switches into something that feels a bit like a Bronski Beat hit and then finally transforms into its own thing: a Gaga original. Clearly an homage to the obscure underground disco record “I Was Born This Way”; it is an unbelievably great dance song, destined to be the anthem of every gay-pride event for the next 100 years.

She tells me that Elton John pronounced it the “gayest song” he had ever heard. “I wrote it in ten fucking minutes,” she says, “and it is a completely magical message song. And after I wrote it, the gates just opened, and the songs kept coming. It was like an immaculate conception.” She plays a few more songs and mentions a few others—with tantalizing titles like “Hair,” “Bad Kids,” and “Government Hooker.”

The second single to be released is called “Judas” and is, typically, a mash-up: The melody sounds like it was written for the Ronettes, but it is set to a sledgehammering dance beat and is about falling in love with backstabbing men of the biblical variety. Another song, “Americano,” which she describes as like “a big mariachi techno-house record, where I am singing about immigration law and gay marriage and all sorts of things that have to do with disenfranchised communities in America,” has a resounding Piafesque chorus. Turns out it was intentional. “It sounds like a pop record, but when I sing it, I see Edith Piaf in a spotlight with an old microphone.” (Piaf is an apt reference—they both evince a similar brand of heroic vulnerability.) But, she says, “there are some very rock-’n’-roll moments on the album, too: There’s a Bruce Springsteen vibe, there’s a Guns N’ Roses moment. It’s the anthemic nature of the melodies and the choruses.” She feels it’s different from—and better than—anything she’s done before. “It is much more vocally up to par with what I’ve always been capable of. It’s more electronic, but I have married a very theatrical vocal to it. It’s like a giant musical-opus theater piece.”

http://www.vogue.com/magazine/article/lady-gaga-our-lady-of-pop/

The Brainwasher, Thursday, 10 February 2011 15:47 (fourteen years ago)

this is v exciting

i like lucy (surm), Thursday, 10 February 2011 15:53 (fourteen years ago)

^^^

ENBB, Thursday, 10 February 2011 16:49 (fourteen years ago)

tantalizing titles like “Hair,”

just sayin, Thursday, 10 February 2011 16:55 (fourteen years ago)

is there any word on what producers worked on this album?

R. L. Steen's HOOSbumps (some dude), Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:02 (fourteen years ago)

a gis comes up w/ a bunch of different images, what cover are you guys on about itt?

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:07 (fourteen years ago)

huh sorry one at the top of the thread didnt load last time for some reason

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:08 (fourteen years ago)

LADY SASA

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:08 (fourteen years ago)

tantalizing titles like “Hair,”

looooool

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:15 (fourteen years ago)

lol "hair", artists with songs already called "hair" in my itunes include pj harvey and ashley tisdale.

fyi there is a zip file of a couple of versions of that disco song they mention here - http://www.gagafrontrow.net/2011/02/born-this-way-covers-others-mp3.html

(plus some delete-on-sight fan remixes which presumably used shonky live footage?)

lex pretend, Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:24 (fourteen years ago)

it is a completely magical message song
it is a completely magical message song
it is a completely magical message song
it is a completely magical message song
it is a completely magical message song
it is a completely magical message song
it is a completely magical message song
it is a completely magical message song
it is a completely magical message song
it is a completely magical message song

markers, Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:30 (fourteen years ago)

Different "A"s but identical "G"s on cover.

fit and working again, Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:11 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDiRSv2wFi4

it was on Pet Shop Boys Chris Lowe's Back To Mine compilation. a great track to steal from to be fair, hats off.

i'm still waiting for a GaGa track that's as good as her meat dress.

piscesx, Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:12 (fourteen years ago)

Elton John's been a one-man Gaga publicity guy for a couple of weeks.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:18 (fourteen years ago)

xp to fit - uppercase G vs lowercase G; all As lowercase..

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:09 (fourteen years ago)

that font is pretty much the same as that one M83 record right

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:36 (Yesterday)

marina and the diamonds morelike

acoleuthic, Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:12 (fourteen years ago)

LADY SASA

― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:08 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

loooooool

crème neppa venette (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:29 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tybWxzRXm_I

Siegbran, Thursday, 10 February 2011 21:52 (fourteen years ago)

Still showing no false modesty, Lady Gaga says of herself now, “Speaking purely from a musical standpoint, I think I am a great performer. I am a talented entertainer. I consider myself to have one of the greatest voices in the industry. I consider myself to be one of the greatest songwriters. I wouldn’t say that I am one of the greatest dancers, but I am really quite good at what I do.”

lol

prolego, Thursday, 10 February 2011 21:56 (fourteen years ago)

love it

i like lucy (surm), Thursday, 10 February 2011 21:57 (fourteen years ago)

and... she's right!

i like lucy (surm), Thursday, 10 February 2011 21:58 (fourteen years ago)

HFS this rocks!

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 11 February 2011 09:18 (fourteen years ago)

ughhhh she gets an automatic demerit for premiering this on perez hilton http://perezhilton.com/2011-02-11-lady-gaga-born-this-way-single-premiere-debut

lex pretend, Friday, 11 February 2011 09:37 (fourteen years ago)

apparently it premiered on a bunch of stations just now... it's everywhere now

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 11 February 2011 09:43 (fourteen years ago)

found a link on one of the gaga sites.

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 11 February 2011 09:43 (fourteen years ago)

ufghhdhjdjd it totally rips off something that i can't quite put my finger on - the chorus melody - some 90s pop dance hit - AARGH

lex pretend, Friday, 11 February 2011 09:50 (fourteen years ago)

i havent heard it (im at stupid work) but i keep seeing ppl referencing express yrself

just sayin, Friday, 11 February 2011 09:53 (fourteen years ago)

it totally rips off something that i can't quite put my finger on - the chorus melody

I KNOW! It's driving me nuts.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 11 February 2011 09:57 (fourteen years ago)

"Express Yourself" is totally OTM. It's got this great buzzing drone in the background that hits all the right spacerock buttons

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 11 February 2011 09:58 (fourteen years ago)

It kind of follows the same melody as Madonna's "Express Yourself," but I still don't know if that's what I was initially thinking of.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 11 February 2011 09:58 (fourteen years ago)

it sounds kinda like gina g but that's not the song i'm thinking of

lex pretend, Friday, 11 February 2011 10:00 (fourteen years ago)

the font is p much gerald scarfe

henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Friday, 11 February 2011 10:01 (fourteen years ago)

If you stripped all the technology out of this and just used some crummy guitar/drums/bass setup, it sounds like something Sheryl Crow would do (or Cher in the '70s).

Johnny Fever, Friday, 11 February 2011 10:02 (fourteen years ago)

you know who else wear clothes all the time?

jazz musicians.

some dude, Thursday, 18 August 2011 22:07 (fourteen years ago)

surm please stop

― some dude, Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:00 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i saw your name and i thought you were going to say something supportive. but i guess all i can do is stop.

surm, Thursday, 18 August 2011 22:07 (fourteen years ago)

okay I only made it about 2 minutes into the "You and I" video

Rob Based and DJ EZ God (DJP), Thursday, 18 August 2011 22:10 (fourteen years ago)

I got to the mermaid and was like "okay Gaga, this has been enough of my time that you have wasted"

Rob Based and DJ EZ God (DJP), Thursday, 18 August 2011 22:10 (fourteen years ago)

...before switching to "Freeway of Love."

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 August 2011 22:10 (fourteen years ago)

here is as supportive as i can be: you're too good for this!

some dude, Thursday, 18 August 2011 22:11 (fourteen years ago)

i don't know what just happened. i am at home now, and the rain is coming down, and i really want to listen to janet jackson's "someday is tonight," which edge of glory has always reminded me of.

i feel stupid for having this argument, and embarrassed. i am generally a fan of the "less is more" philosophy, but sometimes i over-explain things, and it is something i have realized more as of late. it is definitely a work in progress.

this summer has been very intense, and the heat has worn me down. i have been getting into weird arguments. i am sorry about that. what i know for sure is that these singles have been a real highlight of the summer for me, and so has ilx.

surm, Thursday, 18 August 2011 23:31 (fourteen years ago)

Surm, that's a great choice. Let's listen to it.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 August 2011 23:37 (fourteen years ago)

okay

surm, Thursday, 18 August 2011 23:38 (fourteen years ago)

(((surm))))

some dude, Friday, 19 August 2011 00:22 (fourteen years ago)

Love "Someday is Tonight." It gives me weird ideas.

third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Friday, 19 August 2011 03:55 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/683386/lady-gaga-to-open-the-2011-video-music-awards.jhtml

autoplay

markers, Friday, 19 August 2011 03:56 (fourteen years ago)

here's the promo for the performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNPorX1C4_A

Ivan, Friday, 19 August 2011 16:11 (fourteen years ago)

pretty much on board with ilxor

― some dude, Wednesday, August 17, 2011 9:50 PM (3 days ago)

yeah me too :/

― mark (er) s (k3vin k.), Wednesday, August 17, 2011 9:56 PM (3 days ago)

haaaaa

i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Saturday, 20 August 2011 17:31 (fourteen years ago)

Alfred, maybe i'll come around to "Hooker," who knows, you made me rethink "Bad Kids" so hey...

also, i only just skimmed the saxophone = jazz debate but i WILL say i just listened to some Roy Haynes on Impulse! and to say a Clemons sax solo on a glossy, danceable pop single is also "jazz" would be ludicrous

i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Saturday, 20 August 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Lady Gaga: pop's leading conservative. A lot of bad ideas here:

In an adult world, there is nothing especially radical about saying bad words and reading moody poetry. Underneath her histrionic patina, in fact, Gaga's mettle shimmers sparkly clean. When she talks about her goals of increasing autonomous pride, community acceptance, and respect for personal industry—all praiseworthy objectives, needless to say—she is setting her compass by lodestars that are conservative in all but the political sense: Tend your garden proudly and let others tend theirs as they please, her gospel might go. When she uses mass-market sounds (like Euro disco), throwback sounds (like the long-lost sax solo), and old cultural symbols (like glam-rock raiment), she is following a preservationist's creative path. Gaga's credentials as a carrier of the '70s and '80s torch are impeccable. But this is 2011. What is she doing, really, besides reaching back in time to claim a safer, more old-fashioned template for pop-star success?

so what? And:

She regularly stutters words to make them work in time; she breaks past difficult transitions with short choruses of gibberish. Sometimes, her lyrical ambitions ascend high enough to let her drop allusions. Often, though, these arch references fall to earth like wet pillows. "I want your psycho, your vertigo shtick./ I want you in my rear window," she sings in "Bad Romance"—wordplay that would be clever if Hitchcock's films about middle-aged Eisenhower-era murder, guilt trauma, and infantilizing necrophilia were specially applicable to a song about messy erotic passion. As it is, all these references really tell us is that Gaga may possess a Netflix account.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 September 2011 14:18 (fourteen years ago)

haha okay that second paragraph is awesome

Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Friday, 9 September 2011 14:24 (fourteen years ago)

in a batshit way

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 September 2011 14:24 (fourteen years ago)

His argument would be more coherent if he didn't imply that Gaga's appropriation of Hitchcock titles was...transgressive. But she's not! Right? That's his argument – she's a conservative.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 September 2011 14:25 (fourteen years ago)

he's not implying it's transgressive, he's outright stating it's stupid and nonsensical!

Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Friday, 9 September 2011 14:26 (fourteen years ago)

his argument is "there would be some danger/transgression/etc if the title allusions WERE applicable to a damaging, illicit-sex-heavy relationship, but since they don't it just comes across as dumb"

where he made a mistake was in spelling out what those movies were stand-ins for, making the references seem more transgressive than he's arguing

Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Friday, 9 September 2011 14:29 (fourteen years ago)

it's like he has two beans in one hand and two beans in the other, and someone told him they added up to four, and he's going "but, it's two beans in this hand, and two beans in the other; you make no sense"

Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Friday, 9 September 2011 14:30 (fourteen years ago)

He's implying that it's offensive for Gaga to steal this scary Eisenhower-era Hitchcock stuff for the sake of incoherent pop songs.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 September 2011 14:31 (fourteen years ago)

"offensive" is strong IMO

Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Friday, 9 September 2011 14:32 (fourteen years ago)

it's like he has two beans in one hand and two beans in the other, and someone told him they added up to four, and he's going "but, it's two beans in this hand, and two beans in the other; you make no sense"

Right.

He misplaced his copy of Songwriting 101, in which he would have learned that rhymin and stealin happen all the time.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 September 2011 14:33 (fourteen years ago)

His other problem: he doesn't provide examples of legit appropriations in pop music, so I have to conclude that he considers this practice generally unhealthy.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 September 2011 14:34 (fourteen years ago)

Remind me when Heller drummed for Gay Dad again.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 September 2011 14:35 (fourteen years ago)

oh it's HIM.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 September 2011 14:37 (fourteen years ago)

His other problem: he doesn't provide examples of legit appropriations in pop music, so I have to conclude that he considers this practice generally unhealthy.

Well... no. He explicitly says, "Sometimes, her lyrical ambitions ascend high enough to let her drop allusions. Often, though, these arch references fall to earth like wet pillows." The key word is "often", which is not a synonym for "always" and therefore means that he thinks some of Gaga's references work; he's just not interested in talking about them, likely because the references that work run counter to his thesis. Unfortunately for him, the one he chose to talk about ALSO runs counter to his thesis.

Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Friday, 9 September 2011 14:39 (fourteen years ago)

Sometimes, her lyrical ambitions ascend high enough to let her drop allusions.

But look at his assumption: allusions are a mistake.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 September 2011 14:44 (fourteen years ago)

more like "she thinks she's smart enough to drop allusions"

Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Friday, 9 September 2011 14:45 (fourteen years ago)

Also, it's vertigo stick not shtick.

LeRooLeRoo, Friday, 9 September 2011 22:31 (fourteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

I COULD BE YOUR GIRL-GIRL-GIRL-GIRL-GIRL-GIRL

BUT WOULD YOU LOVE ME IF I RULED THE WORLD-WORLD-WORLD

<3

prego, Friday, 30 September 2011 13:02 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2011/11/3/lady-gaga-berkman-foundation/

the dude quoted in this article is a singing buddy of mine from college

sex-poodle Al Gore (DJP), Monday, 14 November 2011 15:41 (fourteen years ago)

two months pass...

Ok I need an expert to help on this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4IgYxHEAuk

Does the rhythm that starts at 1:13 and ends at 1:45 count as syncopated? If not how is this particular sort of beat called?

Moka, Monday, 13 February 2012 02:39 (thirteen years ago)

Are you talking about the background rhythm? That's a syncopated rhythm, yeah.

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 13 February 2012 03:18 (thirteen years ago)

yeah that background rhythm... I was discussing it with a friend earlier today and I kept telling her it was called a syncopated beat and she said I was wrong, that it had another name. Seems I've won a bet, thanks djp.

Moka, Monday, 13 February 2012 03:58 (thirteen years ago)

weirdly my favourite track off this has ended up being "electric chapel"

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Monday, 13 February 2012 09:54 (thirteen years ago)

Moka I feel like that rhythm may actually have a particular name, though I don't know what it might be - it's very similar to a clave rhythm or something

plee help i am lookin for (crüt), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:21 (thirteen years ago)

that doesn't mean it's not "syncopated" obv

plee help i am lookin for (crüt), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:26 (thirteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

This album is pretty good. Amazed they didn't try to push more singles from it. "Marry the Night," "Heavy Metal Lover..."

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 10 February 2013 20:01 (twelve years ago)

Russia's biggest popstar covered "Americano" for a tv special. Hasn't he heard you can get jailed there for "homosexual propaganda"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCSytgDQ2fk

LeRooLeRoo, Monday, 11 February 2013 00:12 (twelve years ago)

xp marry the night was a single, it just didn't do super well (for a gaga single)

teledyldonix, Monday, 11 February 2013 00:23 (twelve years ago)

four months pass...

ART CRIMES: French Artist Orlan Sues Lady Gaga

ARTINFO recently spoke with attorney for French artist Orlan, Philippe Dutilleul-Francoeur, an art market attorney, to discuss a suit his client has filed against Lady Gaga for $31.5 million. Orlan’s attorney claims that the American pop star borrowed from her work without permission or even a discussion with the artist.

Philippe said to ARTINFO, “We are suing the American singer in Paris civil court for forging two works by Orlan… the sculpture Bumpload (1989), which is extremely similar to the cover of Lady Gaga’s album “Born This Way”… and Woman With Head (1996), which was used by Lady Gaga in the first seconds of her video for “Born This Way.” In it we see the singer’s head placed on Plexiglas and surrounded with decapitated heads, like Orlan’s head in Woman With Head… we’re not attacking Lady Gaga for having copied Orlan’s look, which is an ethical and not a legal issue. We’re accusing her of having forged her artworks, that is, of reproducing them illegally. Every original work of art has a very strict protocol for how it can be used. That is part of intellectual property law.”

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 22 June 2013 23:24 (twelve years ago)

not seeing it, but I don't know much about no artworks

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 22 June 2013 23:26 (twelve years ago)

Yeah, that seems like a stretch.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 23 June 2013 00:27 (twelve years ago)

six months pass...

if stef would write another "bloody mary" all this artpop garbage would be forgiven

Esa-Pekka Merkerson (get bent), Saturday, 11 January 2014 06:23 (eleven years ago)

one year passes...

This came on the other day, and not only did I listen to it all the way through, and not only do I still think it is much better than many gave it credit for, I also still think that if you subbed Neil Tennant in for all her vox and left the rest as is it would have been the best received PSB album since maybe "Very."

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 October 2015 21:54 (ten years ago)

seven years pass...

'Bloody Mary' seems to have become a viral hit all these years later via nothing but a wave of TikTok dance clips as far as I can tell - enough for it to dent the lower rungs of the UK charts amongst all the Christmas clutter.

nashwan, Monday, 19 December 2022 12:56 (two years ago)

She's stealing the Cramps' thunder.

clemenza, Monday, 19 December 2022 17:30 (two years ago)


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