Guns N Roses Vs Iron Maiden

*puts out the bill magill batsignal*

appetite for destruction the best album of both catalogues imo, but iron maiden has more quality throughout so voted for them. curious to see how ilx in 2011 rates gnr

highly i bet

Though maiden might get more votes by those who found it hard to choose until they watched that clip, hehe.

It's hardly a surprise. GNR opened for Maiden in Canada in early 1988, and it was no secret they didn't like each other.

I like both bands a lot. I like Chinese Democracy a lot. And Axl's comments are slightly justifiable viewed through the prism of 1988, when Maiden had just released Seventh Son of a Seventh Son (an album I like, but a polarizing one for sure) and would later release Fear of the Dark, a record very few people like. But the 2000s have been much, much kinder to Maiden than to Axl.

One of these two bands made what's probably my favorite rock album of the past quarter century, and a couple other albums I like a lot. The other one, I've never had any use for at all, though I really should get around to checking out their first two albums someday.

I listened to Appetite constantly in the last half of 1987, but that was partially because Maiden didn't have a new album out. Over the last 18 years I've voluntarily played GNR maybe three times, zero in the last decade...it's no question whose music has resonated most with me over time.

No wait, I listened to Chinese Democracy once.

"But the 2000s have been much, much kinder to Maiden than to Axl."

Axl really hasn't been terribly kind to anyone (least of all himself) post-1988.

Anyone agree with what axl says about iron maiden and "politics in music"?

I think he is kinda vague about it. I don't think bands are like political parties, they are - at best or worst - corporations and some of these corporations put more emphasis on making money then making music. Kiss is splendid example of that. Axl seems to imply that Maiden also puts money before anything else. I don't think that is true, and definitely was not true when this was recorded; despite the more commercial sound of Seventh Son. Besides, Maiden arrived at where they are now by hard work and believing in their dream, in a time that metal was completely ignored by the popular media, being it magazines, radio or television. Maiden's fortune didn't come overnight. I dare claim Axl never had to fight that uphill battle. His music was on radio and television from day one.

If I have to follow that a band is a political party and what a band stands for is what its members stand for, then I'm far less impressed with Axl's stand - money, sex, rock 'n' roll - than Maiden (fighting for the music and culture you like, no matter how unpopular + interest in historical topics.

Not to mention One In A Million

But what do you think he actually means by it?

Is he blaming Maiden for commercialism? Because GnR has been far more commercial from the start. Is he blaming the Maiden corporation for being a well-honed machine? Then his statements have become ironic, because Maiden continued to tour and produce albums, while he let his band fall apart and wasn't able to produce music/tour for more then a decade. He should wish he would've ended up as Maiden. Is he talking about the actual music, as in: his chart aimed hard rock is far better are more valuable then traditional heavy metal? That is just a matter of taste, no?

Not to blame him for it: artists on tour and in between concerts are always rambling in the moment, having completely forgotten their brainless statements within 24 hours.

Iron Maiden write much better songs than Guns 'n' Roses although a handful of times Duff or Slash landed on hooks that Maiden just doesn't have an ear for. Axl is a much better pop star type dude than Bruce, for sure; but Maiden have at least four albums that shit from a great height on Appetite for Destruction. I have more love for Guns 'n' Roses than I usually end up sounding like, but musically Iron Maiden outclasses them on all fronts. Most of the moves Guns are copping seem to have been understood better by the people they learned the moves from: the Dolls, Aerosmith, Hanoi Rocks, Nazareth.

That said, the clip above is a stellar example of Rose-in-his-prime's peerless interview chops: Iron Maiden are geeks even on their coolest day, but it takes Axl a minute-ten to position himself in a sort of above-it-all center-of-gravity place. He oozes cool. If it weren't for Gaga I'd say we'd never see his likes again.

gnrsuxxx

My takeaway from Axl's criticism of Maiden is that he thinks rock 'n' roll needs to be direct, written about partying, girls, love, hate, etc. and Maiden has all these high-minded concepts that make them a more theatrical band and out of touch with the common man. I don't disagree with that, but there's more than enough room for both in the rock bubble.

That said, if GNR had released everything else they ever released but not Appetite, I wouldn't give a damn about them. There are at least four or five Maiden albums I hold dear.

Most of the moves Guns are copping seem to have been understood better by the people they learned the moves from: the Dolls, Aerosmith, Hanoi Rocks, Nazareth.

Agree about three of these bands (and you left out Rose Tattoo); really don't get, though, in what sense Appetite (and maybe Lies and Spaghetti Incident too) wasn't an improvement on everything Hanoi Rocks had ever done. (And I actually like Hanoi Rocks quite a bit; I'd take them over Maiden too! But I've just never liked Maiden; find them basically unbearable, always have.)

Not only did Guns N Roses cop the moves of Hanoi Rocks but they copped one of their tunes too.

Never denied that; the phrase "Welcome To The Jungle" is from a line in a Hanoi Rocks song. But GnR also improved on that band in every conceivable way.

And actually, I'd probably put Appetite up against either of the two real Dolls LPs, come to think of it; it'd be a close race.

And Maiden was preceded by scores of better bands, too, fwiw.

Iron Maiden is one of those bands that I like so much that I can't even understand when people don't like them. Like if somebody says he can't get down with "Wasted Years" or "Flight of Icarus" it's like he just told me he hates nachos.

Ha, I don't eat nachos much either.

Yeah, I love those songs, but nachos are pretty gross.

My takeaway from Axl's criticism of Maiden is that he thinks rock 'n' roll needs to be direct, written about partying, girls, love, hate, etc. and Maiden has all these high-minded concepts that make them a more theatrical band and out of touch with the common man.

Paradise City

Hanoi Rocks guitarist Andy McCoy has said that the song is copy from a couple riffs of Hanoi Rocks. He said the chorus is just the same as riff in "Lost in the City", just slowed down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weq1DpfnZQM

the start also sounds a bit like dont cry iirc

Paradise City is such a basic song, though, that it probably could've been written in the '80s just by stepping outside and catching some air in a ziploc bag.

But my point about Guns' style isn't "somebody else did it first" - that's almost always true no matter who the band in question is. But it seems like while he gets that Tyler's swagger is part of what makes Aerosmith cool, he doesn't understand that wit's a big part of that swagger; that he gets that chicks dig "Love Hurts" but isn't quite sure why; that he's heard the Dolls but never hunted down the originals of "Don't Start Me Talking" or "Stranded in the Jungle." Just didn't care enough to, is the feeling I get. Johansen's got some scholar in him; Thunders is rawer, but has still been to school. But Rose always seems like he got satisfied with his influences too early, is my feeling; that he's a really incurious listener.

Anybody who votes GNR itt is going to get a pair of Skechers up their ass

I like Appetite but put it next to Powerslave and it can eat a dick

people who like guns 'n' roses but think nachos are gross

http://www.coolbuddy.com/gallery_pics/imgs/I-dont-want-to-live.jpg

(makes me feel like mr gingerbread milk self-drowner, to clarify, I'm rusty on imageposts)

xp Well, Axl clearly cared enough about where "Love Hurts" came from to marry Don Everly's daughter. (And to include a smash hit power ballad on his first album every bit as good as Nazareth's.) He also covered a Skyliners' doo-wop song later, but then who really cares -- it's not like record collectors (and Johansen was always a great one, I agree) make better music by definition. Disagree Axl's writing early on was witless, too, even if it didn't do the tongue-twisting Tyler talk thing nearly as much. (Not at all convinced Maiden understood what made '70s metal powerful, either, but then maybe they just wanted to do something different too, right? And actually, the more GnR deviated from their influences as time went on, the less I wound up liking them.)

god i don't know if i have the balls to start what would clearly be an epic ILE poll thread about nachos

would it be nachos vs. something else or nachos classic or dud

pro or anti i guess

That said, the clip above is a stellar example of Rose-in-his-prime's peerless interview chops: Iron Maiden are geeks even on their coolest day, but it takes Axl a minute-ten to position himself in a sort of above-it-all center-of-gravity place. He oozes cool.

uh more like "he oozes simple-minded, idiot junkie talk" imo

if simple-minded idiot junkie talk isn't cool to you then I humbly submit that the Guns n Roses thread is not the place for you friend

leave it to ilxor to make me wanna reconsider my Maiden vote

weird thread

Appetite >>>>>>> Killers > Number Of The Beast > Iron Maiden (debut) > Powerslave >>>>> Other GNR Catalogue >>> Other Madien Catalogue

For me, this is a vote for Maiden.

The New York Dolls' 2nd album > The New York Dolls' 1st album >>>>> The Spaghetti Incident? >> the rest of GNR's albums >>> Iron Maiden

id swap the NY dolls albums over..

Nachos: Yes No?

Honestly I would have to also bring to this fight that so so many of the bands inspired by the Dolls are just horrible. Like by the time GnR notice the Dolls, everybody should be completely over aping the Dolls, but no, and the subsequent dumbing-down of the Dolls' brainy bacchanalia schtick is really depressing -- it's like the distance from Henry Miller to Al Goldstein. Maiden, on the other hand, inspire Kai Hansen, and I know everybody on this thread is a big Kai Hansen fan

nycnative's tabulation roughly equals mine, voted g'n'f'n'r.

who was to blame for Winger & Warrant?

Axl

ohh 51-48

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Hi San Te! (or should I say Whiney now?)

fuck off ILX

see me hit you
you fall do-ow-owwn!

correct result, but axl thinking he is something massively different from iron maiden is on some hilarious narcissism of small differences shit.

johnny fever has finally taken over ilm

More disclosure from nikki sixx's book: everybody in his band fucked Bruce Dickinson's wife, which inspired the latter to write "Tattooed Millionaire." I'm currently reading "Slash", and will totally update this thread if I find out that anyone from GnR fucked Bruce Dickinson's wife.

Chuck, you still need to spin Killers back to back with Appetite. Those two records (along with the first Cars and AC/DC Back in Black) are just superlative rock albums with no filler at all.

I think it's funny that D&D turns anyone off. That's part of what got me IN to metal.

How did AG know the results before they were posted?

I thought for sure Iron Maiden was going to win.

its no secret. its been like that since polls began noone even asks now how anyone knows heh. I did it years ago and so have others, no idea who noticed it first. Anyway at midnight the results are through but it takes about 30 seconds for "system" to post on all the threads.

Oh. Cool trick.

margin shoulda been way huger

For Maiden. Like AfD but fuck all else

ie ILX in wrong result shockah

There's no GnR jokes in Bill & Teds... I think that tells you everything you need to know.

wait what happened to Whiney?

I always miss these things

also San Te otm

oh wtf at these results

enjoy yr racism, ILM

USA! USA! USA!

gnr voters - you sicken me to my core

Dan, as far as I know, Iron Maiden never had any black people in the band.

you mean did not exploit any... ;)

dude.

steve harris is one sixth pharoah

http://www.lyrics007.com/Guns%20N'%20Roses%20Lyrics/One%20In%20A%20Million%20Lyrics.html

Never forget

DJP otm even if gnr were musically interesting enough to bear close scrutiny, which they kind of aren't - take the trainwreck-in-motion aspect away from this band and you're left with the inescapable conclusion that Black 'n' Blue, Badlands, and a dozen other pop-metal bands of that era were much better

I heart you for mentioning Black 'N Blue. Jamie St. James 4ever.

I mean, I like "Sweet Child O' Mine" too, but COME ON

Guns and Roses had one good album. Maiden had something like 10 and is still going strong. There have been some ludicrous poll results here, but this may be the worst.

Yeah, but that one album beat all of IM's.

(I have none of these, but hey an opinion)

At least hear Number of the Beast and Powerslave

Don't want to.

I didn't vote, anyway.

Basically I was very skeptical of Iron Maiden due to their cover art and negative associations with maybe 70% of the kids at my school who were into them, and then I heard "Aces High" and went "oh damn"

To be honest, much as I love some early Maiden, I voted for GNR because of history. It was a really pivotal album in my high school days - united disparate crowds and soundtracked lots of memories. Maiden was around, but as my friends and I really disliked the albums they were putting out in the late 80s, they weren't creating memories.

Objectively, I'd put Live After Death and Killers over Appetite these days, but I don't have any emotional attachment or baggage to go with them. At fifteen, my first real serious girlfriend liked Appetite; puppy love is hard to beat.

Unless it's up against Judas Priest. Priest conquers all.

wow Priest vs. Maiden would be up on some which-parent-do-you-forsake action for me

someone do the poll

Which parent does Smithy forsake - Iron Maiden Vs Judas Priest

Yeah, but that one album beat all of IM's.

(I have none of these, but hey an opinion)

― Mark G, Monday, February 28, 2011 10:05 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

No. Not even close.

OK.

serious question: are there any good iron maiden songs for strippers? thx.

murders in the rue morgue

"Women in Uniform"? That's a cover, though.

number of the breasts

charlotte the harlot obv

Really? I've never understood the, 'well, I don't know the one, but I really like the other' arguement. If its a one or the other poll, at least have some knowledge of both... otherwise, hush.

serious question: are there any good iron maiden songs for strippers? thx.

whole bunch of 'em on this comp but if real deal only "Wrathchild" maybe musically, except that lyrically it's a song about searching for your father so maybe not

Something about who's your father

favorite thing about "Wrathchild" lyric is that is forces Di'Anno to sing the words "I'm gonna travel around!" like he was threatening to brain somebody with a tire iron

this is a thread that really cries out for the mark s touch

i think we lost sinker for good sadly