"Grammy Awards 'has lost touch with pop' "

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A veteran music executive has criticised the Grammy Awards in a full-page advert in the New York Times.

Steve Stoute said Grammy voters had "lost touch with contemporary popular culture" by snubbing artists like Eminem and Justin Bieber.

He added the show had become "a series of hypocrisies and contradictions", claiming both acts were only asked to perform to boost TV ratings.

Last week's ceremony attracted 27m viewers - the largest since 2001.

Stoute, who is most famous for managing hip-hop arts Nas, is the chief executive of marketing company Translation and is considered to be one of the most influential voices in entertainment marketing and pop culture.

He also took the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences to task for snubbing Eminem in 2001, which saw the rapper's Marshall Mathers LP miss out on album of the year in favour of Steely Dan.

Stoute's letter also questioned why Kanye West's Graduation was also passed over for the same award three years ago by Herbie Hancock's River: The Joni Letters.

"We must acknowledge the massive cultural impact of Eminem and Kanye West and how their music is shaping, influencing and defining the voice of a generation," Stoute wrote.

'Change this system'

Eminem, who lead this year's Grammys with 10 nominations, picked up only two awards, while Bieber went home empty-handed despite his two nominations.

"How is it that Justin Bieber, an artist that defines what it means to be a modern artist, did not win best new artist?" Stoute said.

"His cultural impact and success are even more quantifiable if you factor in his YouTube and Vevo viewership."

Beiber lost out to singer and bassist Esperanza Spalding for the award in question.

Stoute added: "Interesting that the Grammys understands cultural relevance when it comes to using Eminem's, Kanye West's or Justin Bieber's name in the billing to ensure viewership and to deliver the all-too-important ratings for its advertisers."

He also said his "suspicions" over a link between performers and winners appeared to be proven true, citing Arcade Fire's surprise album of the year win just after they had finished performing on stage.

"Does the Grammys intentionally use artists for their celebrity, popularity and cultural appeal when they already know the winners and then program a show against this expectation?" he said.

He finished by calling on artists to "demand they change this system" and uphold "its mission for advocacy and support of artistry as culture evolves".

Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 21 February 2011 18:07 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.philebrity.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/grandpa_simpson_yelling_at_cloud_001.jpg

tylerw, Monday, 21 February 2011 18:08 (fourteen years ago)

yeah that sums it up right there

frogbs, Monday, 21 February 2011 18:09 (fourteen years ago)

bit of sour grapes over his acts not winning then? (I've never heard of the guy)

Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 21 February 2011 18:11 (fourteen years ago)

So he basically wants the Grammy Awards to be redundant, i.e. most popular artist always wins.

The Corner Stander, The Suggest Ban Hammer (Hurting 2), Monday, 21 February 2011 18:11 (fourteen years ago)

yeah not what is the best but the best selling

Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 21 February 2011 18:12 (fourteen years ago)

which is why these awards are shite

Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 21 February 2011 18:12 (fourteen years ago)

Puffy once hit him with a champagne bottle - that is my one and only Steve Stoute fact

DL, Monday, 21 February 2011 18:13 (fourteen years ago)

hahaha

Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 21 February 2011 18:15 (fourteen years ago)

I suppose it would be asking to much for someone from elbow to hit him with a bottle of stout?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 21 February 2011 18:15 (fourteen years ago)

On April 15, 1999, Combs was accused of assaulting Steve Stoute of Interscope Records. Stoute was the manager for Nas, whose video for "Hate Me Now" featured Combs being crucified. Though Combs had willingly filmed the video scene earlier that year, he demanded that the images be removed.

Stoute's refusal led to an argument and Combs' arrest for aggravated assault.

IIRC beat him w/ champagne bottle

communist kickball (m coleman), Monday, 21 February 2011 18:16 (fourteen years ago)

If you went by most popular wouldn't Susan Boyle be winning all the Grammy & Brit Awards?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 21 February 2011 18:17 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaodlYmleeQ

NYCNative, Monday, 21 February 2011 18:19 (fourteen years ago)

lol jethro tull

Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 21 February 2011 18:24 (fourteen years ago)

Iggy!

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 February 2011 18:25 (fourteen years ago)

lol jethro tull, that snake bit is pretty good tho!

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Monday, 21 February 2011 18:25 (fourteen years ago)

Didn't anyone else read the Slate takedown by Bill Wyman (the critic, not the Stone), which basically said it's a well known secret that the Grammys has a shadow committee to overrule bad/uncool votes?

http://www.slate.com/id/2284690/

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 February 2011 18:32 (fourteen years ago)

The Grammys were so much more in touch with contemporary culture when (for Record of the Year) the Singing Nun was nominated ahead of the Beatles in 1964, Stevie Winwood ahead of the Beastie Boys in 1987, and Amy Grant ahead of Nirvana in 1992. Things have deteriorated so quickly.

clemenza, Monday, 21 February 2011 18:38 (fourteen years ago)

^OTM lol

daavid, Monday, 21 February 2011 18:56 (fourteen years ago)

Justin Bieber, an artist that defines what it means to be a modern artist

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 21 February 2011 19:52 (fourteen years ago)

If I remember correctly, the Grammys were started as a reaction against pop and rock, an award to promote "Important" music like classical and jazz.

Doomsday Derelict (J3ff T.), Monday, 21 February 2011 20:01 (fourteen years ago)

And honestly I think that's a better role for the Grammys to play, not because jazz is more "important" than pop, but because pop will sell anyway, and an award show is the best opportunity for someone like an esperanza spalding to reach a large audience that she otherwise would not reach

The Corner Stander, The Suggest Ban Hammer (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:20 (fourteen years ago)

she wont make as much money though as that guy wants

Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:21 (fourteen years ago)

So he basically wants the Grammy Awards to be redundant, i.e. most popular artist always wins.

yeah wtf the American Music Awards and Billboard Awards etc etc already showcase exactly what this guy wants to see.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:29 (fourteen years ago)

I'm not even sure if those 2 shows still exist or are shown on TV anymore, but um.. ok the VMA's. He should stick to watching that.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:30 (fourteen years ago)

Don't forget the World Music Awards!

Pisle of dogs (seandalai), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:31 (fourteen years ago)

Despite popular belief, World music is more popular throughout the world than Pop music. Sounds like it's right up his alley.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:33 (fourteen years ago)

she wont make as much money though as that guy wants

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, February 21, 2011 7:21 PM Bookmark

I'm sure there was industry calculation in the pick -- find the next Norah Jones, etc. Norah Joneses are very low budget compared to Justin Biebers, so they can work out quite well for the industry. Don't know whether Spalding will quite be Norah Jones level.

The Corner Stander, The Suggest Ban Hammer (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:33 (fourteen years ago)

They must think the arcade fire are going to be big then?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 02:37 (fourteen years ago)

I thought the Esperanza Spalding and Arcade Fire nods were sort of cool. I was pretty sure that Beiber and Costume Girl would go away with everything.

Also, I LIKED Recovery.

Is Aware That She Hasn't Replied Much Lately (MintIce), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:13 (fourteen years ago)

Despite popular belief, World music is more popular throughout the world than Pop music.

Amazing that this was possibly typed without irony.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:47 (fourteen years ago)


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