Billy Corgan vs. Dave Mustaine

both have pretty unpleasant singing voices that feel like they're almost pushing their voices to sound as ugly as possible too

has Corgan ever had a public moment of sincere vulnerability like Mustaine in Some Kind Of Monster? i feel like BC is always 'on' for better or worse

None that I know of. Mustaine became a sympathetic figure in SKoM and iirc the Megadeth episode of Behind the Music.

Like, I wanna say there are a couple times when Corgan has said something in an interview either in print or on camera that made me sympathize with him a little, but then he will IMMEDIATELY turn back to being a dickhead.

it's kind of a feat to be so unsympathetic when your music is always crying out I USED TO BE A LITTLE BOY etc.

apropos of nothing, "Sweating Bullets" is one of the funniest music videos of all time imo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRJ99wuV1ng

lol I'd forgotten just how incredibly stupid that is.

Can we put a price tag on polls?

Wikipedia:

In 1983, Mustaine concluded that one of his goals in life should be to create a band more successful than Metallica. He has failed.

HA!

Cold.

I've been tempted to make some sort of "Best 1990s Video Where Politicians Get Assassinated" after seeing this one the other night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfpgpf6QVnI

Seeing those CHIPs used to provoke almost the same reaction as seeing Nazis on television.

This is going to turn into one of those threads where everyone dogpiles on Dave Mustaine for a week before Billy Corgain wins by a 3:1 margin.

tbh that's a foregone conclusion, Corgan is simply more famous and has gotten a lot more (negative) media coverage. but there's also few threads about Megadeth so this will end up being a sponge for Mustaine lols.

"In 1983, Mustaine concluded that one of his goals in life should be to create a band more successful than Metallica. He has failed."

No, the System has Failed.

Or it will fizzle out, like a lot of threads I start inevitably do. xp

mustaine is now a born again christian btw

Watch him become a god.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Kosi1MuLo

Mustaine actually has a whole Wiki entry devoted to "feuds and rivalries": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Mustaine_feuds_and_rivalries

Aw, that list was a let-down:

• "While taking the stage Mustaine could be seen hugging Lars and James, suggesting that the feud has finally been resolved."
• "Mustaine could also be seen hugging Kirk in the aforementioned June 22 Sonisphere show in Bulgaria when he took the stage, which suggests this feud is also over."
• "On the official Megadeth website Mustaine is quoted saying 'This shows the power of brotherly love and forgiveness. David Ellefson belongs in Megadeth.'"
• "In late 2006, Chris Poland began posting on the official Megadeth message board, apparently having resolved his problems with Mustaine."
• "Recently on the VH1 40 Least Metal Moments, interviews were shown with Rikki Rachtman wearing a shirt saying 'Dave Mustaine for President'."

etc

He's probably mended a lot of fences via the sobriety process.

yeah i'm guess the word "hugging" is nowhere in Corgan's wikipedia entry

Megadeth releasing 4 different albums with ellipses in the title is far more irksome to me than anything either of these guys has said or done

So Far, So Good (pause) So What!

Mustaine seems like the cooler dude but tbh I listen to the Pumpkins more

Oh yeah, subquestion...have either of these guys actually driven you away from their music?

I barely ever listen to Smashing Pumpkins anymore, and when I do it's hard to even enjoy.

Corgan is pretty goddamned annoying but I broke out the Pumpkins stuff after that Pumpkins vs. Pavement poll a couple weeks ago. that was the first time in quite awhile though. honestly can't remember the last time I listened to Megadeath.

I'm only vaguely familiar with Megadeth's music and have listened to a ton of Smashing Pumpkins (mostly because it seems that there always people around me were into them), so I voted for Mustaine

mellon collie and the infinite...sadness

voted for Dave. because reading this has made me think 'shit yes, i should listen to some Megadeth!' and 'wow i have a lot of smashing pumpkins cds i don't really want to listen to anymore'

no one's mentioned Mustaine's awesome bit in Decline of Western Civ II

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MayzPkmKUcY

Great clip. Hadn't seen it in YEARS.

http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/dave-mustaine-totally-looks-like-a-cocker-spaniel1.jpg

another reason for you right there

hahahahaha

This is the only one for Corgan, but they could probably do an Uncle Fester as well

http://totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/a46c2304-bd66-4f73-bd60-fb2eee1851fb.jpg

TBH, the two or three times I've seen Megadeth live over the last decade or so have been much better than the three or four times I've seen the Pumpkins.

Irony in that above clip where he alludes to losing an arm, seeing as he did, briefly, in essence lose an arm.

instead of voting in this poll, I am going to listen to Megadeth albums for research.

hypothesis: Megadeth shits on Metallica from a great height.

i'll probably revive this thread Taking sides: Metallica vs. Megadeth when it's time to publish my findings.

lol hadn't read that when I started

or you could use 80s Metallica vs 80s Megadeth FITE

I totally LOL'd, hard...

Do they share the same voice, cuz I can impersonate eithers singing pretty well.. lol

Corgan has the X factor- he was banging Jessica Simpson.. say what you will about how much of a 'tard she is, but she's at very very bangable.. I guess cuz of that, he's more annoying, only in an envious kinda way.. lol!

Mustaine has made a couple of decent records, so Mustaine it is

But....

Mustaine got clean cuz he found the Lord... soooo annoying! lol

corgan any day. smashing pumpkins made 3 great albums , mustaine just wrote some great songs. Neither of them are any good now. Mustaine does manage to be a bigger prick than Corgan though, quite an achievement.

Mustaine does manage to be a bigger prick than Corgan though, quite an achievement.

I'd say that's reversed.

im sure we can all agree both are big pricks

Both are pretentious and a bit egotistical in their own ways, both have weakish singing voices but know how to write songs, both have gotten on my nerves many times over the years.

The only difference is that Megadeth wrote about 4-5 really great albums, whereas I don't really listen to Smashing Pumpkins anymore.

So far.... So good... Vote Megadeth.

Which narcissistic and egomaniacal bandleader is more than you can handle? Who now, or in the past, has made you more annoyed/mad/whatever?

btw, the intent of this poll is to decide who is more annoying.

has Corgan ever had a public moment of sincere vulnerability

"For Martha" iirc

― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Tuesday, March 1, 2011 8:02 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

i meant as a person, outside of his songs fwiw

there's a disappointing lack of personal anecdotes attesting to either contender's assholery.

(Right on, aero: my bad)

really like adore but rust in peace is beyond classic.

also, this chorus is really funny:

Part bionic
And organic
Not a cyborg
Call him psychotron

Both of them are indefensible douche monkeys, but "Peace Sells" remains better than ANYthing the `Pumpkins ever pooped out.

I vote for the lesser of two evils, Billy Corgan, but I dislike him a lot.

Dave Mustaine, though, even in his 'born again' phase, is a hypocritical, big-mouthed, judgmental motherfucker who talks way too much shit and is ignorant about half the things he talks about.

yea, the last Megadeth album was killer, but sometimes I want to ram a bubonic plague-infected dildo down his throat

I did not know it was possible for aerosmith to hold such hate in his heart. Like seeing what Corgan has done to him makes me feel bad for liking the Pumpkins at one point in my life.

I think it was while watching the Peace Sells video for the first time as a teenager that I realised that terrible twattishness and absolute awesomeness were not mutually exclusive states.

"What is this garbage you're watching? I wanna watch the news."

"This IS the news."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DWoJBHibhM

I love Mustaine. I read his book, that was pretty good. The guy is no dummy, and he certainly is not afraid to be critical of himself about some of his past stupidity. He's gotta get over the Metallica thing though, it's still a burr in his side.

Ive never voluntarily listened to a Smashing Pumpkins song, but I'd like to smash that bald fuckers face in. So Mustaine for me.

I think it was while watching the Peace Sells video for the first time as a teenager that I realised that terrible twattishness and absolute awesomeness were not mutually exclusive states.

"What is this garbage you're watching? I wanna watch the news."

"This IS the news."

http://www.youtube.com/v/1DWoJBHibhM&fs=1&hl=en

― Chap With Wings... Five Rounds Rapid (Doran), Wednesday, March 2, 2011 5:50 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

you hear it -- dun dun dun dun-dun dun -- FIRST...

In the 'defend Corgan' column, the guy is very generous when it comes to charities, regularly supporting local musicians and the local music scene. And don't forget, back in 1998 the Pumpkins did an entire charity tour, donating 100% of ticket sales and raising some $3 million dollars.

corgan is like 300% more significant in my lie than mustaine, which means that he is also 300% more annoying than mustaine.

ha ha "in my life"

In the 'defend Corgan' column, the guy is very generous when it comes to charities, regularly supporting local musicians and the local music scene. And don't forget, back in 1998 the Pumpkins did an entire charity tour, donating 100% of ticket sales and raising some $3 million dollars.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, March 2, 2011 10:18 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

ok good point

I 100% do not doubt that Corgan is a much, much better dude than Mustaine, probably has a better record collection (I'd kill to see any relics of the tape-trading days Dave has though), and is a better guy to break bread with. He just makes the worst music known to man.

I'll bet Corgan's record collection is really uninteresting and dominated by the hoary classics of FM classic rock and 80s alternative rock. I'd be much more interested in seeing Mustaine's.

This is my favourite Billy Corgan story btw: http://books.google.ca/books?id=yLwsk0pC50gC&pg=PA40&lpg=PA40&dq=spin+corgan+strawberry&source=bl&ots=6OGaCIh7Fm&sig=fAccWsf9rb8G4BXgnHx0o8nT2FQ&hl=en&ei=z2RuTZWZGI_1gAfYs-1E&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Ha! Always liked Kim Thayil.

you hear it -- dun dun dun dun-dun dun -- FIRST...

― some dude, Wednesday, March 2, 2011 9:56 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

lol to this day this is my main association w/megadeth

corgan has a mattson mini, corgan wins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-wDKkIStJs

Is that him in Elton John's wig?

Captain Fantastic and the Infinite Sadness

This is my favourite Billy Corgan story btw: http://books.google.ca/books?id=yLwsk0pC50gC&pg=PA40&lpg=PA40&dq=spin+corgan+strawberry&source=bl&ots=6OGaCIh7Fm&sig=fAccWsf9rb8G4BXgnHx0o8nT2FQ&hl=en&ei=z2RuTZWZGI_1gAfYs-1E&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, March 2, 2011 3:40 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

god, what a fruitcake

"You hurt me deeply. You hurt me deeply in my heart."

this is how rock stars, at the height of their careers, talk to each other

still, i don't care what anyone says. i like the first two pumpkins albums without reservation.

never cared for megadeth much, other than peace sells. mustaine's contributions to early metallica can't be denied though. he wrote some great riffs.

also, the hangar 18 video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tzWc3Xl4B0

Clearly Mustaine comes down empathetically on the side against inhumane (?) treatment of extraterrestrials. Billy Corgan, on the other hand, is an actual alien.

Holy shit I went to that 1994 Big Day Out that is referenced in that Spin article, Soundgarden were awesome and tbh so were the SPs at that point before Corgan's head exploded.

http://www.alienufoart.com/images/RoswellAlien.jpg

believe, believe in me

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

I've never consciously listened to Megadeth and I don't plan on it either

Why? Are you afraid of the NEWS?

Results will be interesting, because half the people read the voting directions and half didn't.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

This is about as close to a butterfly ballot as ILX gets.

another victory for Dave Mustaine

This is about as close to a butterfly ballot as ILX gets.

^ this

ballot with butterfly wings

haw

I remember seeing Megadeth in 08. musically they are still amazing and put on a fantastic live show and they're not so married to strict, barely-changing setlists like Metallica are, and cover more ground.

But Dave's between song banter was beyond excruciating. Very narcissistic, and meandering...at one point he said something about fallen soldiers or our troops or something and someone booed. of course Mustaine called him out.

I mean, dude should have been booed, hate war or not, I don't believe in taking it out on the troops, but...Mustaine turned it into an excuse to go into one of his confused rants/tirades, when all he had to say was just 'fuck off, dude!'.

I saw a Slaughter show in '91 where Mark Slaughter dedicated "Fly to the Angels" to all the troops. Then he did a cover of "Revolution" switching out "Chairman Mao" with "Saddam Hussein".

I kinda find a lot of my favorite metal bands' political beliefs are completely diff from my own. i.e., Slayer are one of my fav bands ever and they're really a bunch of idiots.

Isn't Mustaine a born-again Christian now?

yes, has been since around the Youthanasia era. but he sure doesn't act like it. he was once quoted in Guitar World (or Guitar magazine, can't remember which) in the late 90's as saying "I love Jesus, but I'll kick your ass".

he also issued a press release once around the time the Capitol Punishment greatest hits was coming out and whined about the "relentless vomit who slag us".

i miss evil satanic Dave

will take xian mustaine over global warming 'skeptic', anti-vaccine, chemtrail freak corgan any day.

And behold.

http://www.decibelmagazine.com/featured/dave-mustaine-or-billy-corgan-who%E2%80%99s-crazier/

<3 u Jeff, you owe me a sandwich.