80s Metallica vs 80s Megadeth FITE

oh come on

lol I didn't mean to usher in a Dave Mustaine revival.

I mean musically it isn't even remotely close, particularly since we're talking about the 80s here

80s Metallica vs. 90s Megadeth morelike

Megadeth

Seriously, each Megadeth album from Peace Sells... has a couple of good-to-great songs on it, but to put them up against Kill 'Em All through ...And Justice For All is a pathetic joke, and even Dave Mustaine would tell you so.

and then he would probably cry about it a little

Still going with the 'Deth here. I much prefer their '80s stuff to Metallica.

It's a shame Rust In Peace counts as 90s rather than 80s because
its probably better than any Metallica apart from Master Of Puppets

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/juicyfrt/steve_urkel.jpg

Did I do this?

Metallica
Kill 'Em All (1983)
Ride the Lightning (1984)
Master of Puppets (1986)
...And Justice for All (1988)

Megadeth
Killing Is My Business... and Business Is Good! (1985)
Peace Sells... but Who's Buying? (1986)
So Far, So Good... So What! (1988)

Gotta go with Metallica because the first three are just unfuckwithable.

lol! Unfuckwithable... what a great word!!!

I'd have to agree.. Dave is still playing catch up at this point, but not to say that those MegaDave records are not great, cuz they are.
I've noticed that over the years, that the manic picking style that Metallica had was a direct result of Dave's playing. That dude has a very quick rhythm technique, and I feel it helped the Metallica guys to be better players. But for importants, song writing, and innovation, although some of this is Dave leftover, Metallica was just crushing.. They were a Metal band that everyone looked foward to being wow-ed by with each new record. I even read a Kerry King interview where he was going on about how he looked sooo foward to a new record by them. But I dont't think they would of been at that level without some of the things they learned from Dave, nor would they be the biggest band in the world... it would be Green Day instead-could we live with that? I think not..

were you in the bay area then sean? or too young for the beginning of these bands?

"I even read a Kerry King interview where he was going on about how he looked sooo foward to a new record by them"

Please tell me this is an old interview, or i will lose all respect for King.

you havent already?

No, i'm still a pretty big Slayer fan, especially after seeing them live last fall, where they crushed. Same bill as Megadeth, incidentally, who also killed.

you can still like slayer and think kerry king is a dick though

he never came across that way to me, to tell you the truth. He certainly comes across as a pretty nerdy guy, appearances notwithstanding.

this was when the last Metallica record came out, they were asking him him if he was looking foward to the new Metallica record, of coarse he said no.. But he spoke of how back in the day, he looked forward to what they were gonna do cuz they were so innovated. He said that he lost all of that with the Black album, just like all of us did..He also went on about Kirt Hamster, and how he thought it retarded of them "to have one of the best guitarist in the world, and have no solos"-speaking about St. Anger

Metallica no contest, even though I love the first two Megadeth albums to death, So Far So Good So What doesn't compare with any of the first three Metallica albums really.

that said, right now, Megadeth easy. Megadeth's last album was one of the most incredible things they've done in years.

I think the high points of the first two Megadeth albums at least equal any of Metallica's high points, but Metallica does have more good records than Megadeth. on the other hand, as recently as '99-ish, Megadeth still had a good song in 'em (see below), whereas Metallica was done by '97. Tough call.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A8czbBBYtU

should be noted also that 80s Megadeth was a much better live act than Alcoholica

Why pick when you can have both:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TQOVBbaWW8

(xp) Actually the early Megadeth shows were quite inconsistant. You never knew whether you'd get a good show or a bad one.

yea but Lars sped up all the damn songs too much live until about 1988 and it took away some of their bite....
also Disintegrators is a great song but their entire Endgame album (2009) destroys it. seriously....

should be noted also that 80s Megadeth was a much better live act than Alcoholica

^agreed, with this kind of music you should have a pretty good drummer. Megadeth's had some great drummers (great overall musicianship to be honest) When you have one that's almost incomptent, like Metallica does, you will suffer live.

I don't know what you guys are talking about re: Metallica vs. Megadeth live in the early days. Mustaine was kicked out of Metallica for being a drunk, alcoholic, and the first line-up of Megadeth was frought with the same problems with Dave and other members of the band.

That isn't to say Alcoholica didn't get their drink on, but they made a point of mentioning that all debauchery went on after the show and seemed to live up to that self-imposed rule.

The reputation that both bands had at the time was that Metallica always "brought it" live whereas Megadeth was an iffy proposition depending on how fucked up the members were.

And these comments were made/agreed upon by a peer group that, as late teenagers at the time, were a lot less likely to be overly critical about things. Yet, Megadeth as inconsistant live band permeated our discussions.

i think this poll is missing the "Anthrax" button somehow

who the hell would vote for them! If slayer was in the poll they would walk it
but this poll was battle of mustaine

Yet, Megadeth as inconsistant live band permeated our discussions.

^not any discussion I was in.

How old are you?

40

you kept that quiet

Well, history shows that Mustaine was kicked out for his alcohol and drug use, and the entire classic first line-up of Megadeth (Mustaine, Dave Ellefson, Gar Samuelson and Chris Poland) was frought with drug and alcohol problems on and off the road. Whereas Metallica was making it a point to not "party" before going onstage.

Sure, Megadeth did put on good shows then. They also put on bad ones when they were fucked up and the shows suffered. I think if you ask the band members themselves they would agree with this.

Thought this was common knowledge among metalhead our age...

Metallica was done by '97

they were done way earlier than this imho

A+ screen name, Bill Magill

I thought Metallica jumped the shark with Justice. It was the first album they put out that I listened to that didn't immediately jump at me plus I hated the production. There were some good songs on it but overall it was (and still is) a tedious, neverending story lacking not only bass, but soul.

^^^

RIP Cliff

A+ screen name, Bill Magill

― hapshash jar tempo (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, March 2, 2011 2:54 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark

Thanks man.

you kept that quiet

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, March 2, 2011 2:03 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

What, I come across as younger? I'll take that as a compliment, Herm.

i am 100% behind the idea that metallica got blah when justice came out. just a slog of an album

no you always had old fart taste in metal, just didn't realise quite how old fart you well though!

xp

in fairness you started a poll about 2 bands that peaked in like 87

I love AJFA... Yeah the production is not great, but 'Blackened' and 'Dyers Eve'... killing!

Yeah, I don't get (and have never gotten) the AJFA non-love...bought that shit on double vinyl the day it came out, still play it more than any other Metallica album (though when Death Magnetic came out I played that shit for like two weeks straight).

it's okay, there's some good stuff on it (Blackened, etc.) but it's the beginning of the end

when Death Magnetic came out I played that shit for like two weeks straight

this was because you were holding a prisoner in a small concrete room and needed to get information from him tho rite

No big deal. Trust me, I dont get worked up about this shit. I throw bombs around here as much as anyone.

xpost.

dont even get me started on those humble pie lovin motherfuckers

hahah xposts

high five

I love Humble Pie, and I can be an asshole.

I know I said I was taking some time off...but it was such a weird coincidence...

as someone who plays bass in a small hard-rock/metal band who has spent his last two Saturdays in the recording studio, I can say at least that our drummer got recorded first, the guitarist played along with him, laying down scratch tracks in the process. I did not play along with the drummer at all, and when it was time for me to record my bass parts, I listened to both the guitars and the drums, after which our guitarist recorded two tracks of himself over us...

it shd be noted that I am easily the least skilled member of our band though.

better than "angel of death", real talk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdXjm8pZMws

It's weird that Larz wouldn't have the bass in his monitor, just like it'd be weird for the EWF guy to not have the horns and vox in there too, but in the end, I kinda think it's more up to the bass player to build upon the drummer's part than any cooperation. It's not like the drummer has to follow along with anything as long as he's playing in time. Hell, Steven Adler only paid attention to Slash's right leg most of the time.

People always bag on Justice for sounding crappy (and rightly so), but they always leave out a pretty key fact -- Metallica albums have ALWAYS sounded crappy. Black Album, Load, and Reload are the only ones that actually sound good, and we know what people think of those.

Meanwhile, as to Metallica in 2011, I think what we're hearing is a band that has lost interest in playing metal but feels obligated to defend the faith. I mean, look at the track listing of the new songs they chose for Garage Inc. Bob Seger is a pretty far cry from Diamondhead. I actually think that "I Disappear" is the most honest song they've done in the last decade or so. St. anger and death magnetic sound like a band that isn't listening to the artistic instincts, instead doing what they think people want from them -- but since it's not what they want from themselves, their compasses are skewed.

so what jeff is saying is that metallica are a joke now, death magnetic is shit despite what the hardcore fans want us to believe and metallica corporation should split up and lars should go live in an underground bunker where bass will never trouble him?

if so jeff OTM

The joke is that underground, all you can hear is the bass.

but overground wont be able to hear lars

This was a while ago but I have to take issue with this:

This is maybe the single stupidest thing metalheads get worked up about. Why is it so hard to understand that ...And Justice For All sounds the way it does because that's how Metallica wants it to sound? You might as well dub in trombone and zither as pump up the bass. Just get over it, people. They wanted to make a thin, dry, harsh-sounding album and they fucking made one. And it sounds perfect; exactly how those songs should sound.

― that's not funny. (unperson), Thursday, March 3, 2011 8:22 AM

This comment, taken to its natural conclusion, says that any and all art is beyond any and all criticism if we merely shrug and say "It's what they wanted to do."

Sometimes what they wanted to do sucks. Usually it's not the production, but this is why not every review you write is glowing with praise.

I can see how criticizing an album because of the production might be unfair if you were reviewing an independent band whose lack of budget and time/resources might unwittingly contribute to this. Back in my fanzine days, I often had to overlook horrible production on demo tapes and tried to get into the essense of the band and their sound because the poor sound was generally not their fault.

But if a band has all the money and time in the world and releases a disc that sounds the way AJFA does - and does so because they want it to sound that way? Hell yes, that's a legitimate thing to be critical of!

I mean, in a medium of sound, if we cannot be critical of HOW it sounds, what can we be critical of?

haircuts

paid critics?

art collections

choice in tour bus drivers

shrinks

firing practices

decisions to sue fans

lars

Metallica started to suck when James Hetfield stopped skateboarding.

THerefore skateboarding was essential to Metallica's greatness.

QED

St. Anger also sounds exactly how the band wanted it...

Great work of art that stands above any form of criticism ;-)

(For the record: I actually don't hate this album)

I do.

Couple of great songs on that one. It was the album that got me interested in the band again. I gave it a spin to get a good laugh out of it, based on all the bad press. But I quickly developed a liking for the thrash riffs.

i'm madly in anger with you

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

metallica will walk this right?

We can only hope.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

42 people didn't see Megadeth before So Far, So Good...So What

Didn't expect such a blowout but did expect this outcome.

I think the 90s FITE would be more competitive.

A victory for the Herm Neuname led, Ulver/Slough Feg championing false metal crew.

slough feg are false metal? are you smithy in disguise?

I think the 90s FITE would be more competitive.

not so sure. rust in peace pretty much decimates anything metallica put out in the 90s.

would probably even take countdown over the black album and cryptic writings over the loads. but it's probably been over a decade since I've spun any of them.

i remember being really into cryptic writings at the time!

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQUAF5Mhy68

yeah, I was also pretty into it at the time!

I never had much use for youthanasia tho.

what a shitty cover

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/ff/Cryptic_writings_cover.jpg

slough feg are false metal? are you smithy in disguise?

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:17 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yes. And no idea what your second question means.

There are very few things that I wouldn't take over Load/Reload.

I've actually never even been able to listen to either of those albums in full. the singles + casual listens with friends that bought em just made the prospect way too depressing for me.

reload is dreadful but Load isn't that bad if you listen to it imagining it as a side project rather than a Metallica album.

Load/Reload both blow chunks on their own merit, but when compared to Rust in Peace they are a complete embarrassment.

bill magill otm

bill magill otm

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:49 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

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