What was the drum pattern that New Order copped from the Mondays?

In Bez's autobio he mentions that in the early days they tried to get on Factory by stealing the address book from a health club, looking up Peter Hook's address,
and then going round to his house and forcing a demo tape on him. He told them to fuck off, but a while later they heard the intro to a New Order song which copied one of their beats note for note. And this was later confirmed at a party by Steve himself. I assume it'd be in the early to mid 80's when this happened. Is there anyone with a good knowledge of both bands discographies who knows what I'm talking about?

my guess is it would be one of the tracks off the forty five ep (delightful/this feeling/oasis), though listening to those three just now don't particularly make me think of any NO beats..

I guess the drums from "Age of Consent" kind of resemble the drums from "Delightful."

oh yeah, i totally hear 'Age of Consent' in the intro to Delightful. of course, Steve did it better but that's got to be the link.

UNfortately there is no copyrights on just drum patterns, probably due to the nature of the instrument.. You might have a case, same pattern, same machine, same tones, recorded the same way, but drums get the shaft on this, acoustic or electronic, programmed or not

Age of Consent was written in 82, maybe even 81.

Yeah its got to be "Delightful". I'd never heard the Forty Five EP before, I like it a lot more than the first album. And Sean, I'm pretty sure Ronnie (I think thats his name) was happy enough to get the compliment from New Order; according to Bez, they worshipped them, the Velvets, and Zappa (!) in the early days. And if copyright extended to drums, just think of the backlog of "Funky Drummer" cases! Tho, Clyde Stubblefield really should have enough to live comfortably, and if he isn't thats a travesty.

Thanks guys

forty five ep is my favourite mondays, trufax

probably heresy

Yeah, who knew the Mondays were capable of being conventionally melodic? They sound a bit Cocteau Twins on that one, a real surprise

I'm pretty sure Ronnie (I think thats his name)

Gaz.

Hooky says that Horse was his postman and used to include demos with his mail.

FYI New Order first performed "Age of Consent" in August 1982. It is not inconceivable that the Mondays would have included "Delightful" on a demo tape prior to that. I can't think of what other Mondays song it would be, but then I'm only really familiar with the first two EPs (all downhill after that etc.).

the "Age of Consent" drum pattern just sounds like "Interzone."

stealing the address book from a health club, looking up Peter Hook's address

lol

you gotta be p flexible to kick yr own ass

Holy crap, shocked to just find out that THM formed in 1980. What the hell must they have sounded like?

like some kids learning to play instruments

For 5 years? I saw them in '87 and they sucked

I'm not sure that "learning to play their instruments" was ever the point.

the story went that "Delightful" was a slow trancey track until they got into the studio and got 'over-excited'

(A few review places seem to have misread this, and have praised the 'slow trancey' song on their first e.p.)

I wonder if they ever had that doomy early 80's factory sound or were they always funky.

"Oasis" from the Forty Five EP is incredible

45 EP was mike pickering's first production apparently

Whats he doing these days? I have a couple of his Hacienda mixes on my iPod; him and Graeme Park in one night would be too much

Tho, Clyde Stubblefield really should have enough to live comfortably, and if he isn't thats a travesty.

clyde never got money from jb samples, afaik

also he's been having kidney problems and has no insurance, there's been a few benefit concerts around here but i haven't heard anything lately

Fuck. I wonder if enough would contribute to an online thing to make a difference. Whats that site that raises money for people's bands, films etc. ?