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I love ritual, (esp. the second side- its on cassette - does it work as a cd ? ) but never bought anything else by them - my mate sez they're the prog chillipeppers

whaddya think ?

― Geordie Rocka, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

borderline classic, i wouldn't want to have them absent from my collection, although they get little play anymore.

― Jeff, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Some of their songs are alright, but overall they just bore me so I have to unfortunately vote dud.

― Ally, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

On first listen it sounds like it could be dud, but I found that Jane's grew on me like crazy. It's certainly informed by classic r-o- c-k, but it's also got a sinister edge running through all of it that's delicious. Some tracks on Nothing's Shocking did an about-face for me, including the first couple of songs. "Standing in the Shower...Thinking" is pretty catchy despite everything else going against Jane's, including that voice...if you can't get past Farrell's voice, you're done for as far as they go. If you like Ritual, you'll probably like Nothing's Shocking, too.

― Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hmm, Nothing's Shocking is what got me and my friends off Big Black. It sounded like the future to us then, wow, it was punk and it was metal, but it was also mysterious... then, stuff like Pixies came out, for instance.

I'll say dud for the simple fact that it was probably nothing more ingenius than Van Halen... it just seemed like it was... all the magickal atmosphere stuff came straight out of classic rock along with the hippie vibe Perry had going... Seems very well marketed and thought-out in retrospect. He was like a peace punk, huh? It feels like classic rock to me now. Back when I was a kid it didn't. Good music for kids, just like the rest of the Lollapalooza stuff.

― , Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

CLASSIC.

Kids who could never see eye to eye on anything - long hair in front vs. hair long in back, dead milkmen vs. led zeppelin, goth chicks and smiths fans, our u.s. equivalents of ravey davey and also student grant could all sing along (in a thin whinge in no way approximating perry ferrel's delivery). This is what made them great. Such extremes all in one group, Ain't No Right was like kick out the jams for us, a power-sander decadence.

It's easy to forget all that when you see pics of ferrell dj'ing progressive trance.

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Completely dud. Their brains are fried to the max. They look like shit. They're music is just plain bonkers like Zappa's: tries to be funny but fails miserably. I suspect they tried to do the sock thing but they couldn't find any baby socks...

― Stevie Nixed, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nononono! It's Classic. 'Nothing Shocking' and 'Ritual de lo Habitual' are just brilliant albums. Imaginative, expansive, energetic, intelligent, all those qualities rock music seem to have lost are there. Saw them live twice: amazing.

― Omar, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

you know how those old black&white movies always begin with the kid at the olde time faire where an ancient fortune teller hag predicts something horrible will happen to him in the future, and then we cut to fifteen years later and the guy is rich and happy and everything is fine until he finded the FUCKING CURSED NECKLACE and then he remembers what the old witch told him? i've only heard one or two janes addiction songs and i really didn't give a shit, but i have a horrible feeling that fifteen years from now i'll like them a lot, contrary to all kinds of music i ever wanted to listen to. someone tell me this doesn't happen, please.

― ethan, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

From what I gather of your taste from the other threads, you're probably safe, Ethan. neurobuddy is right in at least one thing, in that they're probably now classic rawk just from the fact that they influenced a lot of up-and-coming groups that made it into the mainstream. I don't think that diminished what they achieved in the least, but I have this feeling that it's probably not the sort of thing you grow into.

― Sean Carruthers, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Absolutely, incontrovertably classic. You will not change my mind on this one.

― Dan Perry, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I never got into them that much, but they accomplish a lot in their time. Who else has ever brought together the punks and the hippies so succesfully? They're classic.

― Mark, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Who else has ever brought together the punks and the hippies so succesfully?
True. I think J's Ad. put too much in the mix. Metal... punk... psychedelica... pop... it just gave me a headache.

― Stevie Nixed, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

incredibly horrible.

― keith, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Side 2 of "Rituol de la habituol" still sounds magical to this pair of ears. Mysterious, plaintive, drug-blasted, free from the bombast that slightly soiled "Nothing Shocking". And they had the good grace too disintegrate spectacularly before becoming corporate monsters.

― Stevo, Friday, 4 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bringing the Hippies and the Punks together, surely that gave us Crusties.

― K-reg, Friday, 4 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Surprised I came in so late on this -- inconceivably wonderful, despite the fact that Perry Farrell is eminently punchable. That personality flaw aside, oh baby. In fact, the weather is such today that I will go home and put on "Summertime Rolls."

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Undoubtedly a balls out, hard rockin', dope smokin', face slappin' classic. Formed my early to late teens, and meant the world to me, I thought Perry Farrell was a genius (still do I guess), and 'Three Days' is just an AWESOMELY EPIC song, I never fail to get gooosebumps all over when it kicks back in midway through..."Erotic Jesus......". Absolutely classic rock, and the earlier stuff is just as good, and contrary to popular opinion I reckon that Porno For Pyros were classic too, even the first album, I know I need special care.

― achilles_last_stand, Saturday, 12 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
I might be a year late on this board but might I can't let that stopping me from saying that Jane's are subliminaly brilliant. Transcendental music to bathe the soul in.

Whatever this chap Stevie Nixed is taking it is clearly stronger than the bubbly orange that Jane's were partial to. For, Mr. Nixed is talking pure cock.

Jane's are incredible (though Raggett is right when he points out that Perry, for all his merits, remains eminently punchable).

All four musicians were fully out there and the ideas that permate Jane's music are ever hypnotic, hallucinatory and ecstatic. I can't get enough of these boys, even after listening to this stuff consistently for ten years.

So, classic, classic, classic. If you can't dig it, give up.

― Roger Fascist, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

For a second I thought Roger was talking about me.

― Dan Perry, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I only heard "Ritual" but I thought it was quite boring and what was the big deal? Dud. People still listen to them?

― DeRayMi, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

If "boring" is a cop-out then let's say: I didn't find it terribly engaging. (Big difference.) It's been close to a decade since I heard that album anyway.

― DeRayMi, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't find it terribly engaging either until I started listening to it from "Three Days" onward. It then became my favorite album for a period of time.

― Dan Perry, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I didn't like Ritual at first. It took about .6 of a nanosecond before I realised what an urgent, vital slice of music I had on the player. It was lucky I had some sense of vitality, else I would have missed the fact that this album clearly contains some of the most inspiring music written in the last two decades. And thank God I have a pulse, or the cosmic psychedelic visions proliferated throughout the album would have just washed straight over me.

― Roger Fascist, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, the first half of that album is a textbook example of a band trying too hard to appeal for mainstream succes while attempting to retain their identity. It's Jane's Lite, especially when compared to _Nothing's Shocking_ (or even _Kettle Whistle_, fer crissake).

― Dan Perry, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Danny boy, you're wrong man. Ritual is their fucking peak. It's them firing on all cylinders, entering the stratosphere before exploding (or falling to pieces on the brown). Shocking is good, Kettle Whistle (esp. the lead track) is good, hell, any Jane's material is good, but Ritual is the one - it's their most intricate, experimental, accomplished work of art. Man, if fucking shimmers and glitters with so many facets I'm still trying to get my head around it.

D'you think it's bad timing or coincidence that the band disolved after Ritual?

― Roger Fascist, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know, Rog. I really like the songs on the first half of _Ritual..._, but I can't listen to them as sequenced on the album. In fact, when I play that album I NEVER start it before "Three Days". I agree that it's a fantastic album, but that's largely because the second half is so amazing that it completely obliterates the shortcomings in the first half. (Compare to _Nothing's Shocking_, which is uniformly great throughout but never reaches the actual peaks of the second half of _Ritual..._.)

― Dan Perry, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

janes = classic. perry ferrel = dud.

― dyson, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I hit submit too soon. As albums, I see _Nothing's Shocking_ as better eveon though my favorite Jane's songs are on the second half of _Ritual..._. As a listening experience, _Nothing's Shocking_ is better and _Kettle Whistle_ comes pretty damn close. As far as the group's disintegration after _Ritual..._, I think it was somewhat inevitable, because if I'd been in a group with Perry Farrell for that long I'd want to run screaming for the hills, too.

― Dan Perry, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I see where you're at with that, and I know that the Jane's fan party line is that Shocking is the one but I can't agree. For all that I love Shocking, for me, I hear a band yet to fully realise their potential, something they certainly achieved on their next album.

Another point is the production on Shocking which I find a little flat - I don't feel that Jerden and Champagne were able to get the best out of the musicians or the Jane's sound at this point, although having said that, I do dig the rawer edge and the more incendiary drum sound.

Whereas on Ritual, the guys at the controls were able to set them for the heart of the sun and that's where the music takes me. As for the first few tracks, I dunno man... from the lead-in narrative, I'm hooked and that buzzsaw Navarro riff. Jesus. Then there's that pop-bass on No One's.. Oh mama. The album is littered with winning creative decisions. Y'know, sometimes in fact, Obvious is my favourite track off Ritual though I'm not sure why. Do you get thet?

Out of curiosity, anyone know about the new Jane's material? From what I can gather of the websites out there, they are in the studio working with fucking Paul Oakenfold! Where the hell is Jerden when you need him?

― Roger Fascist, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I know that the Jane's fan party linei s that Shocking is the one

Where I deviate from the fan party line is that I think _Nothing's Shocking_ and _Ritual De Lo Habitual_ are equal; _NS_ is more consistent, but _RdlH_ has better songs on it. If I wanted to listen to an entire album, I'd grab _NS_. If I wanted to play selected songs, I'd grab _RdlH_.

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

In case you stumble across this any UK Jane's fans I just have to say that the Addiction will play the London Kentish Town Forum 19th August 2002, as a warm up to their show at the fucking shit Reading Festival.

OK, so it's not the Academy but it's not a bad compromise.

Better get on the blower to the ticket agencies pronto then...

Hello.

― Roger Fascist, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
"one night i met a boy"

― ron (ron), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i must say that it takes nuts to make a song as over-the-top as 'three days'

― ron (ron), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

"One night I met a boy"? How disappointed am I! I always thought all these years he was saying "One night I met a pony," which made me larf happily.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)

forget i said anything, pony it is

― ron (ron), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 04:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Who else has ever brought together the punks and the hippies so succesfully?

uh, Neil Young? The only thing Jane's brought together were fratboys and fratgirls.

Verdict - Dud. They lie too much for truthseekers and are too pretentious to create something communal. And the junk culture stuff I have no use for.

Exception: Jane Says. Momentarily, the dream is alive. Especially when Dave Navarro isn't around.

― gabbneb, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 08:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought it was "one night I met a poor man..."? I found an excellent Jane's lyrics site once, but I can't remember where it was. Needless to say their lyrics were, well, either genius or gobbledegook or somewhere inbetween.

Classic. Shocking is only nearly classic, but Ritual is beyond classic.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 08:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I always thort it was "one night I met a whore..."

― Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 09:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"One night I met a poet..." surely?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 09:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I like 'pony' best now, but only after the cigar/bees/lady bitz interface thread on ILE.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 10:51 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
Ritual stands up amazingly well, provided you skip "Been Caught Stealing." The bassline that opens "Three Days" is among the most killer of the era.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 10 October 2005 03:45 (nineteen years ago)

I was recently surprised at how much parts of Yes's Fragile reminded me of them. IIt was South Side of the Sky in particular.

― Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 10 October 2005 04:06 (nineteen years ago)

I still think it's "pony."

provided you skip "Been Caught Stealing."

Are you mad? (Mind you, the song always sounded better live.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 05:13 (nineteen years ago)

I never posted to this! Great, for being fundamentally rooted in the classic hard rock tradition and actually doing something totally creative and modern with it in that era. I'm weird in that "Three Days" is my least favourite song on Ritual. It starts good but kinda drags.

I don't know much about Farrell as a person/ality. Why is he punchable?

― Sundar (sundar), Monday, 10 October 2005 05:44 (nineteen years ago)

Still haven't worked out my 'portable' mix yet, but I'm thinking it will be good.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 10 October 2005 06:58 (nineteen years ago)

I played "Three Days" really loud the other week when i got my new CD player, it was FANTASTIC.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 10 October 2005 08:30 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

Completely dud. Their brains are fried to the max. They look like shit. They're music is just plain bonkers like Zappa's: tries to be funny but fails miserably. I suspect they tried to do the sock thing but they couldn't find any baby socks...

And to think I'm reading the Brendan Mullen oral biography now. I still really don't understand why I even bothered to buy the book, even though I am not as hostile towards them as I once was. That said, PF seems to be such a dick. I also can't believe the "they are incredibly seminal, paved the way for the rest" bullshit line. I mean, maybe they were (in reality) but I refuse to believe it anyway.

― stevienixed, Monday, 11 June 2007 07:11 (seventeen years ago)

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Classic
Classic
Classic

― nicky lo-fi, Monday, 11 June 2007 07:39 (seventeen years ago)

My little sister came over the other day to rip all my Jane's Addiction CDs. Her quip: "Yeah, I've really wanted to listen to Jane's Addiction lately, but couldn't bring myself to buy them." They belong to a different era, and stick out like a sore thumb in this one. But we listened to Nothings Shocking, and it still pushed my wig back with its bombastic excellence.

Kids who could never see eye to eye on anything - long hair in front vs. hair long in back, dead milkmen vs. led zeppelin, goth chicks and smiths fans, our u.s. equivalents of ravey davey and also student grant could all sing along

Jane's pretty much united the smoking section at my high school.

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 11 June 2007 07:47 (seventeen years ago)

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Just looked up Perry's wikipedia bio and learnt - after just 35 years - that his name is a play on "peripheral" *facepalm*


For no particular reason I still retain a clear memory of Kurt Loder explaining this during an MTV newsbreak, when PF declared his last name was supposed to be pronounced FerREL.

― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 19 September 2024 14:24 (eight months ago)

It would then follow that his first name is supposed to be pronounced pa-REE

― Josefa, Thursday, 19 September 2024 14:38 (eight months ago)

Could have saved some confusion by just naming himself Peripheral

― Vinnie, Thursday, 19 September 2024 14:52 (eight months ago)

Peri Feral

― go polish your nose ring (sleeve), Thursday, 19 September 2024 14:53 (eight months ago)

Wasn't Farrell also his brother's name?

― peace, man, Thursday, 19 September 2024 14:56 (eight months ago)

Pure Riff For All

― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 19 September 2024 14:59 (eight months ago)

I don’t get it. It’s not his birth name? Or his parents had a sense of humor?

― calstars, Thursday, 19 September 2024 16:41 (eight months ago)

not his birth name

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 September 2024 16:58 (eight months ago)

real name Peretz Bernstein

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 September 2024 16:58 (eight months ago)

His real name is Perrygar Farrelltigan

― DJP, Thursday, 19 September 2024 17:38 (eight months ago)

Coulda sworn it was Peretz Berenstain.

― Theracane Gratifaction (bendy), Thursday, 19 September 2024 21:23 (eight months ago)

Hugh G. Rection is NOT his real name?

― O 'Tis Redding (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 19 September 2024 21:27 (eight months ago)

correct, it is actually Hugh Morrus

― Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Thursday, 19 September 2024 21:45 (eight months ago)

Hugh Jassole

― calstars, Thursday, 19 September 2024 21:49 (eight months ago)

I. Dü Heroin

― Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 September 2024 21:50 (eight months ago)

Ian Astbury occasionally looks at his phone and wonders if it will ring.

― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 20 September 2024 09:14 (eight months ago)

They should get Axl Rose

― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 20 September 2024 10:06 (eight months ago)

If Chester Bennington had still been around he would have been perfect, he absolutely nailed Mountain Song when he performed with Camp Freddy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ralf_8_uvIg

― Maresn3st, Friday, 20 September 2024 10:51 (eight months ago)

always struck me as Aerosmith for former goths.

― O 'Tis Redding (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, September 17, 2024

as every city had an Aerosmith for former goths

― Theracane Gratifaction (bendy), Wednesday, September 18, 2024

I keep thinking about this and want a Numero compilation of 80s/90s Aerosmith for former goth bands from, like, the plains states or Rochester, NY.

― j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Friday, 20 September 2024 14:49 (eight months ago)

Jane’s guitar tech Dan Cleary has done a podcast about the vibes behind the tour falling apart - I read a summary which was pretty depressing - seems like the inciting incident was at the beginning of the US leg - specifically the band vetoing using video of Perry’s wife onstage (after he had previously vetoed some “arty” visuals) - but there are plenty of other miserable peeks behind the curtain

What a band for dysfunction - and Dave, Eric and Stephen seem like genuinely nice guys too - sigh

― Cognosc in Tyrol (emsworth), Wednesday, 25 September 2024 03:33 (eight months ago)

it's not online for the general public yet, Patreon first
(Rare Form Radio podcast, #313 - Beantown Beatdown: The End of Jane's Addiction)

― StanM, Wednesday, 25 September 2024 09:15 (eight months ago)

Great title

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 September 2024 15:04 (eight months ago)

Wasn't Beantown Beatdown an Underrated Aerosmith Bootleg someone has owned?

― Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 25 September 2024 15:14 (eight months ago)

close - that was "Chad's Beantown Beatdown," Music Hall Boston 3/28/78, on the Trademark of Whatever! label. Chad was the taper's cousin who hated Aerosmith. sound quality terrible. by this point in the tour "Lick and a Promise" had dropped off the setlist

― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 25 September 2024 21:11 (eight months ago)

I remember watching clips on YouTube from Boston Beatdown DVDs of dudes in baseball hat hardcore bands getting into brawls at shows

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 26 September 2024 00:52 (eight months ago)

dud

― he/him hoo-hah (map), Thursday, 26 September 2024 01:12 (eight months ago)

the podcast episode should be public sometime today (every 7 days and the last one was on the 19th)

― StanM, Thursday, 26 September 2024 08:07 (eight months ago)

Threw Ritual on while driving last night. Got to my destination about 2 minutes before the end of Three Days and for a second I was like, "well that sucks, I guess I'm going to have to turn this off before the end," but no! I did not have to turn it off! I stayed in the car and was reminded of that glorious part where everyone drops out except the furiously strumming guitars before it all comes back in. Should have just stayed and listened to the rest of the album.

― peace, man, Thursday, 26 September 2024 11:33 (eight months ago)

I had forgotten how good Side 1 was too. I think I've just accepted the social conditioning to look down on funk metal, but hopefully that viewpoint will die out so that our children will live to see a glorious funk metal revolution in their lifetimes.

― peace, man, Thursday, 26 September 2024 11:37 (eight months ago)

thanks Stan, looking forward to hearing this

― calstars, Thursday, 26 September 2024 12:43 (eight months ago)

It’s a great sounding album that can’t be played loud enough.

The band is amazing but it couldn’t work without Perry’s voice and all of those echos. I don’t listen to a lot of stuff like this because it’s usually very macho. If this had Dude voice on it I would have no time for it. Imagine Eddy Vedder singing Jane’s Addiction songs.

Perry is such a POS and an abuser and that persona is right there in the songs. Now when he mentions Xiola Blue I think about how she was a kid and it’s gross.

― Cow_Art, Thursday, 26 September 2024 13:28 (eight months ago)

any album on CD or digital CAN be played loud enough, at very low volumes. did Ritual ever come out on vinyl?

― calstars, Thursday, 26 September 2024 14:15 (eight months ago)

yes - https://www.discogs.com/master/32082-Janes-Addiction-Ritual-De-Lo-Habitual?format=LP

― StanM, Thursday, 26 September 2024 14:38 (eight months ago)

"947 copies from $0.70"
sweet!

― calstars, Thursday, 26 September 2024 15:07 (eight months ago)

"Median: $129.50"

Sounds about right for early 90s major label vinyl!

― I am the agent of Judas Priest (Matt #2), Thursday, 26 September 2024 15:30 (eight months ago)

that podcast just appeared on my spotify btw

― StanM, Thursday, 26 September 2024 15:49 (eight months ago)

Listening now!

― calstars, Thursday, 26 September 2024 15:51 (eight months ago)

The vinyl of Ritual WEA put out a couple of years ago - on clear 2LP - sounds AMAZING. Other copies I've owned sounded ASS. CAVEAT EMPTOR.

― Judge Judy, executioner (stevie), Thursday, 26 September 2024 15:53 (eight months ago)

Ritual will always be two sides for me. Been Caught Stealing going right into Three Days is bad sequencing. On CD or streaming, one needs to get up and take a quick intermission before starting Three Days.

― beard papa, Thursday, 26 September 2024 16:34 (eight months ago)

the podcast is a unique view behind the curtain

― StanM, Thursday, 26 September 2024 16:40 (eight months ago)

Ritual will always be two sides for me.

totally get this and am generally not a fan of spreading albums over two discs if they were originally 1LPs, but this does deliver perhaps the greatest Side C in all of rock.

― Judge Judy, executioner (stevie), Thursday, 26 September 2024 16:52 (eight months ago)

Well, that was definitely a bummer of a story, but I'm happy that someone as lucid and seemingly objective as this guy was able to go on record in such depth. Interesting that - substance issues notwithstanding - the initial disagreement on the tour had to do with the rest of the band putting their foot down about not having Perry's wife dance on stage (or in video projections). The only time I saw them was on the 1997 Relapse tour, which was the first tour that Etty was dancing as well. I remember that, even as a 19-year-old knucklehead horndog, my reaction to the dancers was "ok, that's interesting I guess, but I'm here to see Jane's Addiction." I guess that was a running shtick!

― peace, man, Thursday, 26 September 2024 18:22 (eight months ago)

That was a heck of a listen (the podcast).

― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 26 September 2024 20:56 (eight months ago)

the isolated voice clip was... wow

― StanM, Friday, 27 September 2024 11:55 (eight months ago)

three months pass...

soooo… Deconstruction up on streaming, cool development…

then today Eric posts on insta playing some bass to Perkins’ drumming and saying he is looking forward to Navarro adding guitar

don’t know exactly where it is heading but glad these guys are building on the cool chemistry they had on those last JA shows

― Cognosc in Tyrol (emsworth), Saturday, 4 January 2025 06:01 (four months ago)

one month passes...

Sad news that Dave Jerden has passed on. Produced/engineered a shit ton of notable records (partially start your career engineering on Remain in Light? sure!), but I'll always associate him with the original two studio albums. You can hear the demos, you can hear the early live tapes, but Jerden made it all sound even MORE amazing in studio somehow, in terms of sheer contrast and detail alone. The opening of this track will always send me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDIAJhharwQ

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 February 2025 23:54 (three months ago)

Not one of my favorite producers, but RIP all the same. I always got him confused with ubiquitous Hollywood music supervisor Dave Jordan.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 February 2025 00:12 (three months ago)

This is a good interview with Dave Jersen from a few years ago.

https://tapeop.com/interviews/86/dave-jerden-Talking-Heads-Stones-Herbie-Hancock/

Michael Beinhorn has some good insight also on working on Herbie’s Future Shock out there.

― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Friday, 7 February 2025 00:40 (three months ago)

I never realized Beinhorn had that career as a producer of a million terrible records.

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 7 February 2025 01:50 (three months ago)

(obv not Herbie, I meant RHCP)

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 7 February 2025 01:50 (three months ago)


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