Did you hear of Ned Raggett before you read ilx

voted yes

these guys were pretty good until the guitarist quit

who?

Does a.m.a count?

Actually, yeah, but took me a while to process it. Seriously I think Ned is mentioned in the first 10 pages of the 33 1/3 write-up on Loveless.

and honestly I can't remember why, save for that he proclaimed himself "King of the ILM Boards" which kinda seems irrelevant to, you know, Kevin Shields and all

i had read a bunch of Ned's allmusic reviews that first summer back from college when i was forming my ~~college canon~~

yes

yes

ya read allmusic guide a lot circa 2k1 i think he was there then

this question is pretty much 'what did you find first, allmusic or ilx,' isn't it?

although i'm sure i looked at amg before i found ilm in 2001, i definitely wasn't cognizant of the bylines enough by that point to recognize ned's name from anywhere when i saw his posts here

saw him on Captain Kangaroo in 1971; haven't looked back since.

There was this person who was putting together a Boo Radleys' collection of all the a and b sides of their singles.

I was able to furnish him with copies of the tracks from their final single, which remains unreleased.

And so, by exchange, I got a copy of the compilation when it was done.

Ned was his name.

Some years later, I came across this place via Freaky Trigger, liked it, stayed. Eventually saw Ned's name and remembered it....

yeah, because he wrote for careless talk costs lives, which is how i got to hear about ilx in the first place

nope. seems i am in a minority here.

back in 2001-2002, every review I looked up on AMG seemed to have been written by this Raggett character.

"yes, we may be hidden by Raggetts..."

No. I'm not sure if I came across Allmusic.com before ILX, but I don't pay attention to writer names there (or on other music sites). I probably wouldn't have known about this connection unless it hadn't been mentioned on ILM. Ned is the only Allmusic writer I can name, now.

AllNed, morelike...

no but always 'hear' of Ned when i can't read ilx, because you google Ned Raggett when the site is down. (and then regret not reading his blog more often)

I originally got into him through his early work with the Almanac. Then AMG, then ilx.

a.m.a. first. Ned has cast a shadow over my entire adult life.

beloved allrovi.com contributor nedward raggett

What this "a.m.a." people keep mentioning?

The alt.music.alternative Usenet discussion group that was one of the seed locations for the ILM posting community (the other being a Belle & Sebastian mailing list).

Already knew him from a.m.a.

(Otherwise probably would have been familiar with the name from Allmusic)

Oh. I thought ILM was born out of a Freaky Trigger message board or something?

I'm vaguely aware of the idea of "Usenet groups", but I've never actually seen one. They were like old school message boards, right?

(x-post to Dan)

no :/

No what?

no thank you.

There you go.

save for that he proclaimed himself "King of the ILM Boards"

Actually it was more that other people said that I was such a person. Which bemused me.

no, but to be fair I've been lurking for ten years.. oh god.. I've been lurking for ten years?

Ned sent me a CD full of Pulp b-sides once *auxilliary fame*

saw him on Captain Kangaroo in 1971; haven't looked back since.

― administratieve blunder (unregistered), Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:59 PM (Yesterday)

Amazing.

To answer the q, yes

I'm going to say no. It's possible that I'd noticed his byline on an AMG review, but if so, I didn't remember that when I came here.

I may have even seen Ned's byline when AllMusic still published a paperback in the late nineties.

I only visited FT for the Am I Cool or Not feature, which I think I recall Ned participating in. I also remember reading his Top 100(?) of the '90s before ILM.

xxp (On the other hand, I probably would've recognized the name "Stephen Thomas Erlewine" if he posted on ILM.)

Yeah I found Freakytrigger before I found ILM, and Ned was pretty prominent there at the time.

No. The only names I recognised here were Sinker, Momus and ET, plus about 3 or 4 people from the DroneOn mailing list.

Oh. I thought ILM was born out of a Freaky Trigger message board or something?

ILM was Freaky Trigger's message board. The original posting community (as well as contributing community to Freaky Trigger) had a large representation of a.m.a and Sinister people.

I may have even seen Ned's byline when AllMusic still published a paperback in the late nineties.

Yep, I'm in a couple of those editions.

Yes. (Peng! list)

yes. back when AMG was the go-to source iirc it was always ned or ank3ny writing about my favorite bands.

Yes. But I have no idea who Erlewine is

yup- read his stuff on AMG, just like everyone else

yes, but i want the next decade as well!

And from 2007, my sort-of update/explanation about it:

http://nedraggett.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/so-are-you-ever-going-to-do-another-best-of136-list/

xpost -- oh right, sorry, I thought you were just asking about the 1990s list again. My explanation about THAT one:

http://www.thestylusdecade.com/unlistednumbers.html

there's a little bit of ned ragget inside all of us

*t

there's a little bit of ned ragget inside all of us

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=47

I like it when I'm browsing at Barnes & Noble and sampling something on their in-store listening stations and it pops up with a Ned review (since they seem to be very tied in with AllMusic).

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Oh, way cool! Yeah back in those pre-itunes for Windows days I'd venture to Barnes w/ sole intent of just listening to music and reading about bands I wanted to know more about (also when I was on a 56k connection and doing this sort of stuff on the internet was more a waste of time than anything). Shit, this is the most nostalgic I've felt in a long time.

[i]...and it's all thanks to Ned.[/q] Well not really. But I'm sure somewhere along the line I read at least one Ned's articles. I'm tempted to say "small world" but I think it'd necessitate gagging.

Funny how I don't notice code errors til they're published

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

i can't believe tuomas just referred me to a link

lol

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

quite a turnout

indeed

54 ppl still a lot iirc

No wonder I'm identified with the place!

His name was Ned.

How did you vote, Ned?

You know I don't vote in polls.

ned raggett was the first poster to ever reply to me

If I'm not mistaken I first encountered Mr Raggett on the MBV-list c.1997, so that's a further 'yes'. If I'd read some AMG content prior to that then I apparently wasn't conscious of the author.

wait who now

wau

I am putting "Ned Raggett" in the title of every poll thread I create from here on out.

"Bootyflakes -- Classic or Ned Raggett?"

First time I ever realized that Ned existed away from ILX was when I was reading a review of the Drop Nineteens' Delaware. I was looking at the cover, thinking, "I could've swore she was holding a gun, but it's been a few years." Then I saw the Raggett byline and had one of those moments where I thought reality was shapeshifting on me.

Now a GIS shows nothing but the gun version of Delaware. I could've swore they took that out.

xp to DJP: lol Ned Raggett Presents:..."Little Lion Man" vs. "Just the Way You Are (Drunk at the Bar)" vs. "Friday"

Ned was the first person that replied to my first thread on here. I think it was about Kings of Convenience.

the first time I actually tried to engage with Ned was over Sublime; at the time I couldn't BELIEVE that he didn't like them...

ppl, good memories and everything, but he's still alive!

my mom's from Alabama and says things like "dag nabbit!" and "dad gummit!" and it always reminds me of this guy

Ned Raggett Vs. Minnesota

It was back in '02 when times were hard
He had a MBV 45rpm and a deck of cards
Ned Raggett
He wore rat-drawn shoes and a Kid A promotional hat
Had a complete set of Melody Makers from the 90s and had payments on that
Ned Raggett
His woman threw him out in the ice and snow
And told him, "I'm sick of you banging on about AnCo"
Ned Raggett
So he walked through the rain and he walked through the sea
Till he came to a place called The AMG
Ned Raggett
He said "Mr Motherfucker, you know who I am"
The Editor said, "No, and I don't give a good goddamn"
To Ned Raggett
He said, "Well Editor, it's plain at that
I'm that bad motherfucker called Ned Raggat...

Needs some work...

Has a definite something, though. And if Blixa and Mick were doing the backing, then hey.

Also to Pleasant Plains -- yeah, the gun version was the first, then they caved and went to the non-gun version, and now they obviously don't care. Rightly.

No. Sorry Ned.

Not too long ago I lost all my links to ILM and for some reason it didn't google.

I found my way back home by googling Ned Raggett

NEW BOARD DESCRIPTION!!!

Pretty sure I would have noticed the name in AMG independent of ama, even though most of my favourite music is reviewed on AMG not by Ned but by Stephen Thomas Erlewine.

I spent so much of my freshman year at college on allmusic, and he was everywhere I looked. In the expected places (MBV and cool post-punk stuff all that),sure, but I then realized he was also reviewing (and digging) all the shitty, uncool stuff I love and so I became a fan.

Hahah dare I ask what all that stuff exactly was.

haha iirc (almost ten years ago, now) it was lots of ethereal style goth, death metal, etc. Lots of it definitely NOT at all actually shitty (plenty of people will rep for it these days but not so much back then) and you how it is freshman year. in any case, not the stuff the older folks at the radio station were talking about!

Hahah well everything comes around. Sometimes it's just all about timing.

Sometimes I'll buy a record and then look it up on Wikipedia and when I come to the reviews section I'll click on the allmusic link and think to myself "I hope Ned wrote this one." Happened tonight with Joy Division's Substance (and yes, Ned did write that one).

Hey, thank ya -- that's quite the compliment!

I also bought Ocean Rain and Boys Don't Cry (someone must have been selling their 80s LPs) but no dice with those ;-).

Hahah. Did Andy K do those, I can't remember...

Jason Ankeny and Chris True-- both too short unfortunately!

I used to read All Music Guide a lot around '93 on Gopher. Anyone remember that? Seems like everything I read about was reviewed by Cub Koda. lol Didn't know about Ned until coming here though.

what's up with that allmusic.com site anyway

AllRoviness aside, it's still going at the original address.

I corrected them all, except this one, because it may be better than the real spelling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascend_%28band%29

(that was Re: the wikipedia misspellings, btw)