Whoo-whee, a new Justice single/album to "anticipate"!

I sort of lol'd at the idea of a "new Justice album"; I mean are there any acts from the past 5 years or so that are already this dated?

I mean I just hope they've totally overhauled their shtick or whatever.

P.S. It's called "Civilization", it's out April 4, they're still doing the whole cross thing I guess bcz idk if they know of anything else to do?

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lol

Add these guys to The Rapture re: "bands everyone liked than inexplicably hated before they released a second album"

Yeah I think it falls into the "cool but really obnoxious" category, but now it's 2011 and this stuff isn't really cool anymore. I mean this whole thing is like 90% style, 8% Uffie and 2% talent

The second Rapture album was very good but it still more or less turned up in the same musical era as the first (ie roughly the same time as Hot Chip's The Warning). The first Justice album feels like a lifetime ago and even the indier end of dance music is in a different place altogether now.

Maybe they'll go dubstep.

God this thing that came out three years ago is so dated. Pack it up, you French assholes

No Daft Punk-style free pass for them. I love Daft Punk but I do wonder sometimes why they're deemed untouchable and not dated when their last good album of new material was in 2001. It's like they suspend all known laws of dance music.

this is so ancient, it's not like anyone still listens t--

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I mean, was really, really excited abt Ed Banger around the US release "Waters of Nazareth" (summer '06-ish, I think I called them the new DFA on ILM and Galkin yelled at me), and then "D.A.N.C.E." was miserable, and by the time a proper album came out a fucking year later I was already bored with it and there was really nothing all that great to recapture my attention.

xxpost I think it's more because the rest of the world spent the last ten years rewriting "Rock & Roll" and "Rolling & Scratching".

summer '06-ish, I think I called them the new DFA on ILM and Galkin yelled at me

Hahah can you dig this up?

haha yeah, agree w/stevie d - so weird to me how much i LOVED justice vs simian "never be alone", in light of the total shit they put out subsequently

i would guess this might be reasonably successful, i kind of sense a bit of justice in eg ke$ha's bloodline

Matt what are the indie kids who listened to Justice listening to now? What has less spectacles than fact/ra but more expensive t-shirts than rusko?

i would guess this might be reasonably successful, i kind of sense a bit of justice in eg ke$ha's bloodline

woah this is OTM absolutely. They should collab-o.

No Daft Punk-style free pass for them. I love Daft Punk but I do wonder sometimes why they're deemed untouchable and not dated when their last good album of new material was in 2001. It's like they suspend all known laws of dance music.

They are kind of like the Weezer of dance music; every DP release is going to be huge and I really, really doubt they're going to make anything better than "okay" from here on out (would love for them to prove me wrong). I mean yeah Discovery is a good album (if not a great one), but even Homework is tough to listen to from end to end, when it's all said and done these guys will be known much more for their singles, so I don't get while they get huge amounts of press for a mediocre movie soundtrack while groups like Underworld and the Chemical Bros. are dismissed as "has beens" despite putting out great albums in 2010

Lex OTM. Justice would be better off making $$$ producing pop acts right now.

i would guess this might be reasonably successful, i kind of sense a bit of justice in eg ke$ha's bloodline

woah this is OTM absolutely. They should collab-o.

"should" as in "if they had any sense" rather than "because it'd be great", i presume

I don't get while they get huge amounts of press for a mediocre movie soundtrack while groups like Underworld and the Chemical Bros. are dismissed as "has beens" despite putting out great albums in 2010

Exactly how I feel. The hype over the Tron OST was embarrassing. Ooh, robots.

summer '06-ish, I think I called them the new DFA on ILM and Galkin yelled at me
Hahah can you dig this up?

― Ned Raggett, Monday, March 14, 2011 10:51 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

I've tried before! I think it was on Sandbox bcz it was around the time ILX exploded

dorian and frogbs totally otm about daft punk's sacred cow status, incredibly annoying

Lex, the former, and also just as a kind of experiment in how grating popular music possibly can get.

i think there's a latent desire to accord basement jaxx that same sacred cow status but their last two albums have actually been TOO shit

also just as a kind of experiment in how grating popular music possibly can get.

hahahaha should we just throw on a jessie j guest verse for "good" measure

Basement Jaxx also didn't win the 00s to quite the same extent (or, if they did, only in more subtle ways that only music critics would notice) I think.

hahahaha should we just throw on a jessie j guest verse for "good" measure

Justice vs Ke$ha (ft. Jessie J) - Nev-R B 4lone

Add these guys to The Rapture re: "bands everyone liked than inexplicably hated before they released a second album"

― dead perez (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, March 14, 2011 10:16 AM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

The second Rapture album was very good but it still more or less turned up in the same musical era as the first (ie roughly the same time as Hot Chip's The Warning).

― Matt DC, Monday, March 14, 2011 10:43 AM (16 minutes ago)

i know this is not a thread about The Rapture but, you guys, this was not their first album! there was Mirror, their first (awesome) full-length; then there was the Out of the Races... EP on Sub Pop (also great); THEEEENNN came the crit-beloved album Echoes (worthy of the praise)-- four years-- FOUR YEARS after their debut!

~~~sigh~~~

Yeah that was vaguely nagging at the back of my mind but who cares really.

Good comparison point though more in terms of the delay between early breakout hit and subsequent full album ostensibly codifying the sound - which is probably the reason why the backlash predated the follow-up in each case.

Exactly how I feel. The hype over the Tron OST was embarrassing. Ooh, robots.

Yeah, but didn't the hype die down fairly quick once tha album actually came out and everyone realized that it was never going to live up to expectations in the first place? I just don't feel like anyone hyped the actual product once they heard it, it was more just a case of ridiculous hype for the "idea".

also re: the Rapture, I'd like to think their follow-up to Echoes was backlashed against, or simply not held in high esteem, because it's the weakest link in their catalog (which is true), not because ppl have fickle tastes...

No Daft Punk-style free pass for them. I love Daft Punk but I do wonder sometimes why they're deemed untouchable and not dated when their last good album of new material was in 2001.

I think people are willing to give them a free pass because Homework and Discovery were so beloved by so many people. They've only actually released one underwhelming album and one film soundtrack in that time anyway. If they were releasing disappointing albums every two years or so like Basement Jaxx that goodwill may have evaporated by now.

Whereas a Justice album now would be a bit like a second Mylo album popping up in 2008. Feels like the era for that sort of stuff has passed now and the fact that it's all over the pop charts only reinforces that. Hard to do motorcycles and crosses and dry ice and and signifiers of dirty rock cool when people keep pointing out the elements of your sound in Ke$ha.

house of jealous dfa remix waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than anything justice ever pooped out. by a mile. by a million miles. by leagues and leagues of miles.

I understand that with the Rapture; when I first heard "No Sex for Ben" I thought it was one of the best songs of the year and played it all the time...now I really never want to hear it again

Matt what are the indie kids who listened to Justice listening to now? What has less spectacles than fact/ra but more expensive t-shirts than rusko?

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The continued indie kid love for Crystal Castles might be the reason why I'm proved wrong on this, though.

xpost Ah.

I think people are willing to give them a free pass because Homework and Discovery were so beloved by so many people.

Is this actually true? I mean I know that those albums sold a ton but I don't know how many casual fans listen to anything but the hits anymore. Even now, Homework seems very patchy and feels like you're running a marathon just to get through the thing. Discovery is better but seems horribly front-loaded. IMO Daft Punk were never really captured well on album until Alive 2007 came out.

Ha, Mylo.

Daft Punk are so unproductive that it's almost like they enjoy the excitement of a comeback/reunion every time they record or tour - everything is an event even if it doesn't deserve to be.

how many casual fans ever listen to anything but the hits. It's a leading form of judgment.

Is there a blog/P4k dimension to this? I feel like Discovery was sanctified in the early 00s in a way that Homework and 90s dance music in general wasn't - almost like the electronic Is This It in that it became a sacred artefact for a certain generation.

If they were releasing disappointing albums every two years or so like Basement Jaxx that goodwill may have evaporated by now.

except that Scars was a great, v. underappreciated album...

Another random jetlagged thought: Daft Punk have managed to seem regally aloof from everything else - not getting in loads of collaborators. Nothing dates a Chems/Jaxx record like the guest vocalists.

almost like the electronic Is This It in that it became a sacred artefact for a certain generation

To an extent this is true in that there are traces of Discovery right across pop music even now, but it's more of a pop sacred cow and than a house sacred cow. Would've been weird to talk about Discovery being a sacred artefact at, for example, the height of minimal c. 2006.

Actually with the right sound Justice might end up making a shit-ton of money playing to the Pendulum/Chase & Status crowd but I sort of think they might not be shameless enough to go for that.

Not p4k, but otherwise dorian you might be right to some extent. Also I think you can trace almost all dance music connected to electro-house (i.e. 80% of the popular end of 00s dance music) back to one of the first two albums, for better or worse DP fathered it all.

ha xpost.

all i ever really want to listen to by daft punk are the hits.

sometimes i'll go on youtube and watch a fatboy slim or chem bros. video cuz there is no way in hell i would listen to an entire album.

That's what I mean - sacred to the generalists rather than to the dance heads. Like the Avalanches it's a dance record that doesn't demand that listeners sign up to dance music in general.

"Nothing dates a Chems/Jaxx record like the guest vocalists."

this is basically why i've never bought a basement jaxx album. i did actually buy the first chem bros. album.

There aren't really any "guest vocalists" as such on the first two Jaxx albums, Slarta John and Kele Le Roc hardly count here.

xpost I sometimes wonder whether the Chems' English politeness prohibits them from sending a vocal back to be done again (like Noel G's infamous "How does it feel like") so they just make the best of whatever they've been sent. The politics of having guest vox must be quite delicate unless you're prepared to junk a lot of stuff. So it's like, "Er, thanks Fatlip. That's, um, great. We'll see what we can do."

hope this is good / i like it

of course there's a justice / ke$ha connection considering uffie was on their last album (hopefully that rules out a collab, wouldn't offer anything new just a shittier version of previous work)

Just wading in here to say that I still enjoy the first Justice album and am curious to hear the new one. It definitely could end up being terrible, but there's also a non-trivial chance that could be good.

would like them to sound more like an instrumental version of the Neon Indian LP, or Games but that would be quite a leap for them and too alienating for the fanbase they've built up i guess (also even more commercial suicide). if they went pop they could sound much like some of the last Kelis LP but not really wanting that (Gaga yes but the moment there has probably passed too - all depends on how different what they've come up with is).

They could either take the route of every other super-producer past their prime (i.e. The Neptunes, Daft Punk, etc.) and keep mining and milking their aesthetic while the casual fans have moved on, or update their sound to include lo-fi/chillwave elements to keep up with current trends. I highly doubt they would go anywhere near Ke$ha unless they were intentionally trying to shit on Uffie and keep dance fans or people with ears at bay.

could talk about the recent Cassius stuff too...but it's not great. the (verging on happy hardcore) Skream remix of 'I <3 U So' could cross over.

"The Salmon Dance" is actually on my short list of worst songs in the world. I don't tend to hate hate hate music as a rule but...

lol

I am actually the only person on Earth who likes "The Salmon Dance"

sorry.. D A N C E was *miserable* did someone say upthread?!

btw Justice are still massively popular in Manchester clubs with the kids.

also:

except that Scars was a great, v. underappreciated album...

Scars fucking sucked and rightfully torpedoed Basement Jaxx; you don't get to come back when you release an album as turgid and awful as this.

(btw I recognize everything about "The Salmon Dance" that is terrible, only it actually makes me laugh and therefore enjoy it more; it's a very rare instance of total ineptitude turning into something charming and hilarious)

how funny, that's pretty much my exact response to rebecca black

i think there's a latent desire to accord basement jaxx that same sacred cow status but their last two albums have actually been TOO shit

I finally heard Zephyr last month and liked it!

It's when they try to write songs or (worse) bring in rappers that they're really bad.

Galvanise kills live though

So it's like, "Er, thanks Fatlip. That's, um, great. We'll see what we can do."

They wouldn’t have released it as a single if they had any idea how embarrassing it was. And it’s not like Fatlip is some world-straddling star they had to use just for the profile/cos they’d paid him a giant fee!

sorry.. D A N C E was *miserable* did someone say upthread?!

Yeah, D.A.N.C.E was the only thing I liked after the EP, still p much love it.

^ oh and the Franz remix, haven't heard it for five years but it was my fave thing they did at the time

i think justice were hit and miss, but when they hit, they r00led. actually genuinely curious and a lil bit excited about new tracks.

Only thing I really liked at all was the spooky Jackson and his Computer Band remix of D.A.N.C.E., haven't heard it in ages though.

wtf happened to Jackson

I finally heard Zephyr last month and liked it!

me too - dismissed it at the time, went back to it a few months ago and seemed quite a bit better.

The Braxe/Falke remix of D.A.N.C.E. is pretty cool

the Jackson album still bangs. I would love to hear a surround sound mix of that.

Loved the first album at the time, spin it less now but am happy when Phantom II comes on the ipod. New material better be good. TBH, more psyched about the inevitable tour, these guys are a riot live.

I still play and dig that Jackson album (front-loaded as it is) - really wonder why they guy simply vainshed.

so yeah i wouldn't bother listening to this if you hate 'em

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0A0jVkFs3C4

Oh brother

I think it's alright

It'a not BAD, it just sounds exactly like every other previous Justice song, which is a specific and dated enough sound for this to just be totally boring 4 or 5 years after the fact

I mean what if "Third" sounded EXACTLY like "Dummy" and "Portishead"?

I'm into the new song, despite thinking I wouldn't be.

this sounds dope

Good ad, not much of a song.

It's kind of hard to make much sense of this song with all the other noise going on in that ad.

I'm sort of loling at how terrible and obvious this video is. OUR MUSIC IS EPIC AND INTENSE, LIKE ENORMOUS PIECES OF STATUE FALLING AROUND A STAMPEDE OF BISON.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVq2yMuAMVQ

Whatever, I think it's kinda cool. Like the song a lot more now than I initially did, too.

Seems like this video is popping up everywhere right now like it's going viral, so I finally checked it out... but, like, it sucks so idgi.

Like the video. Track seems to be going for a kind of sabbath war pigs vibe in the intro but just sounds a bit weak. Also I get irked by music videos with effects in the video that interrupt the music in an overpowering way.

sound fx that is

Justice's entire sound seems to be "sfx that interrupt the music"

too true

havent the buffalo suffered enough

anyway that track is boring and not very dance-able, and i say that as someone who still likes their first album sometimes

Since they're giving up on the Christian/religious theme, I hope the next cover is an invisible pink pony or something.

Wait, what Bout the GIANT statue of Jesus in the new vid?

the trailer for the new final fantasy looks AWESOME

xp: Yea but then the world flips upside down and Jesus dies along with Buddha, Atlas and everyone.

so the new album leaked

it's really electro-proggy, not like the debut at all. kinda French House mixed with a little Styx. don't know if I can get behind it yet but its a lot easier on the ears than Cross was

welp, Pitchfork gave it a 5.3, Justice is officially dead

Yeah I really needed Pitchfork to confirm for me that they were past-it.

On 'n' On is great

I'm still hoping it's amazing.

I have similar feelings about this album as I did about Goldfrapp's Head First: songs are good enough, decent 80s pastiche, but not really treading any new ground. Daft Punk went in a similar direction on parts of Discovery and Human After All, but they did a much better job integrating the rock guitar stuff into their sound.

The tracks that stick closer to a dance template work the best here, while the ones that are more rock oriented are kind of laughable. Still, I'll be interested to hear how they bring this stuff into their live set.

I really like the tracks with Morgan Phalen from Diamond Nights, but I also really loved Popsicle so thats no big surprise. I'm liking this more than I figured I would.