Soul/Soulful/Revivalist Showdown: ADELE vs. JAMIE LIDELL vs. JAMES BLAKE

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From this week's Pfork interview w/ James Blake:

Pitchfork: Do you like your voice?

JB: Yeah, I do. It's not that I love it, but I love using it. I've gotten used to it as an instrument to explore, but I haven't fully explored it yet.

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Pitchfork: How do you feel about people calling you "soulful"?

JB: It's weird, nobody seems to differentiate between "soul" and "soulful." To me, soulful isn't what we got from Sam Cooke-- it's a different, calculated thing that's sort of derivative and backwards-looking. It's an obsolete term. It's not anything that needs to be said. If what they mean is "good singer," then that would be a much better phrase to use. Because "soulful" doesn't really give me anything. Take Adele, for example-- she might have listened to hundreds of soul records throughout her life, but I wouldn't call her soulful. I'd just say she's got Adele's voice.

Pitchfork: For me, when people say "soulful," it feels like they're saying, "Oh, it's a white person who can sing like they're black."

JB: There you go. You said what I don't want to say. But why do I not want to say it? That's the question.

Pitchfork: I think there are things in our language that we don't really confront, but maybe you're forced to confront it a little more when people say it about you.

JB: Well, for example, I get compared to Jamie Lidell. And if you listen to some of Jamie Lidell's stuff and hear the way he's singing, it's revivalist. Frankly, if that's the comparison being made, I think some people need to get their hearing checked.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Adele 8
Jamie Lidell 8
James Blake 4


ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:20 (fourteen years ago)

not about to throw Sam Cooke in there because results would be lol

ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:21 (fourteen years ago)

1 new answer & it's me :(

ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 05:34 (fourteen years ago)

what's going on in britisher land that's making everyone get all revivalist lately? stuff like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5lGCXiTHaY

jaxon, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 05:41 (fourteen years ago)

some other band i forget the name of but 3 girls that look like tlc and i think the song's called 'fuck'

jaxon, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 05:42 (fourteen years ago)

^ not the easiest song to search for btw

jaxon, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 05:54 (fourteen years ago)

raphael saadiq would have been another good option.

I voted Jamie Lidell.

nicky lo-fi, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 16:12 (fourteen years ago)

Wait what do James Blake and Adele have in common again?

It's actually probably Adele of this lot.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 16:48 (fourteen years ago)

basically Blake namedropped Adele and dissed Lidell in his interview plus the three are all british (right?) and frequently cited as new-school soul/soulful singers, otherwise the comparison is kinda shitty imo

ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 16:49 (fourteen years ago)

Adele by a huge margin. Jamie Lidell is shit but not as shit as James Blake. Have any of them written lyrics that were worth hearing? Are they just doing it to be more 'real'? I just don't want to hear it. At least Adele doesn't pretend to be some electronic maestro AND a singer. Blake and Lidell need to STFU and stick to producing tunes. Hire a vocalist (maybe Adele!) or use samples but sell your microphones.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 16:53 (fourteen years ago)

So this poll is based on words used in clotheared reviews?

Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 17:04 (fourteen years ago)

otherwise the comparison is kinda shitty imo

no "otherwise" about it tbh

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 17:07 (fourteen years ago)

isn't that the basis of every ilxor post?

some dude, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 17:09 (fourteen years ago)

Reading that interview, though, I think he's a great, lucid explainer of his own work. I enjoy reading/hearing him talk about music generally.

Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 17:10 (fourteen years ago)

isn't that the basis of every ilxor post?

i follow in the footsteps of a loooong line of ilx "greats" tbh

ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 17:39 (fourteen years ago)

o, this is the song i was thinking of. kinda....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAUkuUWHUn8

jaxon, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 17:49 (fourteen years ago)

1st supercollider album is still dope, as far as lidell's concerned.

blank, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 17:51 (fourteen years ago)

and not at all revivalist. It is like 10 years old though

blank, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 17:51 (fourteen years ago)

Pitchfork: For me, when people say "soulful," it feels like they're saying, "Oh, it's a white person who can sing like they're black."

waht

Carthusian Product (seandalai), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 19:10 (fourteen years ago)

lol just found similar brit-school poll

Adele V Kate Nash V Amy Winehouse

ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 21:48 (fourteen years ago)

In general I basically agree with James Blake's discomfort with the use of "soulful" - or at least it's used very broadly and vaguely and mystically and i wish people would use it with more precision or we just give up on it as a descriptor of anything except "sounds like soul".

In terms of a use outside of that context my golden standard is teedra moses: the intuitiveness of her phrasing and judicious both of melisma and restraint, for me suggest a "naturalism" that isn't about a rejection of training and form but more like a sublation of those things.

But I guess the problem is that vocals are probably the actual sound in music that most people (even critics) have the greatest difficulty in coherently connecting to their own taste.

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 21:57 (fourteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 23:01 (fourteen years ago)

Take Adele, for example-- she might have listened to hundreds of soul records throughout her life, but I wouldn't call her soulful. I'd just say she's got Adele's voice.

Could someone explain this to me?

The Sunspots In Your Eyes Are Actually Cataracts, Mr. Rudich (AWALL), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:23 (fourteen years ago)

james blake probably can

hey ilxor, thanks for contributing, glad you stopped by (ilxor), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:56 (fourteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 23:01 (fourteen years ago)


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