amazon cloud player

anyone fuck w/ this yet

are they chillwave?

looks interesting and i need a bigger HD but can't afford $200+ a year to store my shit

U ON NOTICE ITUNES

feel like this thread needs a link

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/learnmore

I get that you think that $200 per year is steep but when you consider the cost of an external hard drive and having to replace it periodically, it's not that high.

Plus, using S3 (this is basically just a user-friendly front-end for Amazon S3 dontchaknow) eliminates the risk of losing your external HD to fire, theft, forgetfulness, whatever. This safety is worth something if your data is actually valuable to you.

I use a 3rd party program geared towards backups as my S3 interface. There a bunch of these, some are free, some aren't. Cloud Drive seems very competitive to even the paid ones but I like what I have for now.

I give this spiel to all my friends looking for actual backup solutions... S3's pricing and reliability is very good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_S3

And really, the external HD is a terrible backup solution. You never know when it's going to fail. And people fill theirs up and then start backing up selectively to save space... works great until you need your backup.

not available in Canada yet :(

cloud "player" is really the right way to describe this, though, welcome to forever

And really, the external HD is a terrible backup solution. You never know when it's going to fail.

― elan, Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:47 PM (Yesterday)

You're on crack. Extra hard drives are not bad solutions at all. They're getting much more cheaper to buy these days. Also, you never know when you're going to die either. Could be tomorrow. Could be in 25 years. To quote the great Lt. Vincent Hanna, "you could get killed walking your doggie."

Get more than one external HD. I have three. I am old-fashioned though, I save my favorite mp3 albums to disc.

What bitrate does stuff stream from the cloud to yr device? Like, if you have flacs in yr cloud, surely they don't stream to you at lossless quality?

yeah cloud services would be so much better if the internet worked better

I mean tbh my (~1 TB or so) music library is lossy, but I get bothered by the SQ of anything below 192 and some shit I've had to rerip at 256. But even that could be asking a lot on streaming, no?

Better to set up a simple streaming app for your phone than rely on a costly third party who's going to datamine your usage and sell it.

On All Things Considered today, Laura Sydell reported on the fight over the legality of cloud-based music services. According to a copyright lawyer, record labels "don't necessarily consider it a fair use for a user to make ... copies for personal use." Music publishers like ASCAP and BMI aren't pleased with Amazon's new service either. The head of marketing for ASCAP worried that the Cloud Drive "is simply a way to avoid having to pay songwriters and composers ... as well as artists."

so is there an app available that i can listen to this on my phone?

Sony Music is just one of many labels annoyed with the online retailer's decision to launch its service without new licenses for music streaming.

"We hope that they'll reach a new license deal," Liz Young, a spokeswoman for Sony Music, told Reuters, "but we're keeping all of our legal options open."

Cloud Drive, coupled with a Cloud Player, would allow consumers to transfer music and videos from Android-enabled mobile devices to their personal computers and Macs, for instance. However, there was no ability to move content from Apple iPads or iPhones

Yeah amz just hauled off and launched the thing without talking licensing with the big 5 first, fucking hilar.

Really this is all moot to me if someone just comes out with a 1 TB capacity MP3 player that is no larger than, say, a star trek tricorder...

I'd settle for a 200+gb iPod. Good chance we'll get one this fall as the Classic is 10 years old and Toshiba makes a 220gb drive the same size as the current 160gb used now.

200gb+ iPod would be amazing...any idea if these are actually coming out? (or are they just getting rid of the Classic altogether??)

I really like the idea of the cloud...I dunno if I'd ever use one myself but the idea of having your data available to you anywhere w/o having to carry any of it on you really seems like the way of the future...

Get more than one external HD. I have three.

^ this is what I do

Keeping stuff in the cloud is handy -- I often do this in rigged-up ways with files I need to be able to touch from any location -- but I don't think this will ever be quite as reliable as it is pitched to be. There are too many possible points of failure, most of which are not under the control of Amazon.

Not to say this thing won't be cool and useful, but the compelling benefit will be convenience rather than reliability. If your main goal is mitigating risk, it's still better to secure your data yourself.

Just thinking, does anyone know what bitrate Netflix Instawatch streams at?

YouTube is reliable enough that whenever I really need to listen to a song/whatever at work/school I can access it via therer. Plus, like - mp3 players?

Yeah youtube is getting to the point where nearly every song you can think of is on it, but the quality is not quite there.

a third party who's going to datamine your usage and sell it.

yeah fuck this shit

Yea, don't get too excited about a huge iPod, as much as I want there to be one. The classic is going away soon, or so I've read. I think the success of the iPhone and the iPod Touch have kept them from focusing on larger model devices that solely play music. I don't see it changing anytime soon either.

I haven't even filled my 150GB iPod yet and I feel like I've got a LOT of stuff on there

I've been wondering about that; rumours of a 240 GB have been going around for about 3 years...but, why discontinue it? Surely there is a market for those who just want storage and don't care about the touch screen or the apps or the phone; all they'd really have to do is stick one of those new IBM drives into the old classics, right?

I can see a "limited" 10th anniversary model. The original iPod design is rather iconic - I understand that's not a good justification for keeping old products available but I can see Apple doing a "this is the last one we'll make and now you get to pay $$$ for it" final bonanza.

The market is there, its just not anywhere near the market for the Touch and stuff. My old iPod was the 160GB classic and I absolutely loved it, had it completely full, but I had to have it replaced twice and after it died the third time I gave up. Now I have the 32GB Touch, which I really love too. It was hard to switch to having so much less music, but it forced me to be selective about what I loaded and really, I'm at my laptop and external hard drive every day so its really not that difficult to rotate stuff on and off.

Especially because if they release, as expected, a 128gb Touch, a 160gb iPod Classic is too close in capacity.

The scroll-wheel made the fucking ipod... abandoning it for the sake of fashion I can't even process.

Argh, well, long live my 160GB, please don't break down big fella.

I'm such an OCD-afflicted freak that I can only fit one genre at a time on my 160GB. At any given time it either has my classical hoard or my rock/weird shit hoard. And this is with nothing higher res than 320 mp3.

Maybe I do need the cloud.

Not looking to troll, but have never not been content with just a 4gig/8gig player. I mean, the only thing I'll plan on listening to for a day is whatever the latest I've acquired is. I get home, plug it into the laptop, and swap it out for newer stuff.

I guess I could see the appeal for travelling and such but considering a the world pretty much necessitates being on a computer at all times I guess the whole idea of *having* to swap music out never really bugged me.

I mean, the only thing I'll plan on listening to for a day is whatever the latest I've acquired is.

Yeah this would not be pleasurable for me. I like to listen to about 33% never-heard-yet, 33% still-familiarizing-with and 33% old-faves. Whenever I've spent a whole day listening to only newly-acquired stuff I get in a weird anhedonia state to which silence would be preferable.

kel - it's not that it's a big deal to swap out music, but it can be time consuming. I'm at the point where the collection of stuff I know well is around 120 GB, but my iPod only holds about 72. So you do have to choose and sometimes pick the sort of stuff you want to listen to on any given day, which is fine but sometimes you just get weird urges to hear stuff that you haven't in a while. This isn't exactly a huge problem for me but it would be nice to just have everything on it with room to grow when you acquire new stuff. Also, my iPod has twice served as my backup when my hard drives crash, so there's that.

"Anhedonia" - Jon, you just taught me a great new word! And we're cut from the same cloth, I feel the same if all I'm doing is R&D listening or only processing new stuff. We're the outliers as some very large portion of music listeners will be forever happy with 100 albums on their phone.

Yes... for me a huge part of the "discovery" process in listening happens on my 2nd, 3rd, 10th hearing of something...

You're on crack. Extra hard drives are not bad solutions at all. They're getting much more cheaper to buy these days. Also, you never know when you're going to die either. Could be tomorrow. Could be in 25 years. To quote the great Lt. Vincent Hanna, "you could get killed walking your doggie."

― van smack, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 8:53 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

But then you're spending way more than $200 per year. And all hard drives fail. It's only a question of when. These cloud services take care of scheduling your backups, checking them, making multiple copies in different locations, and you don't have to worry about some burglar stealing them. They make it so the user doesn't have to do anything, which is a huge plus for backups. Not that there isn't a downside to downloading 1 TB of data from amazon when your computer has just broken...

And all hard drives fail. It's only a question of when

Then why risk putting your personal files on amazon's hard drives then? Who says they won't fail?

Why people would use services like Carbonite and this is beyond me.

Then why risk putting your personal files on amazon's hard drives then? Who says they won't fail?

I would assume there's massive redundancy in place to keep this from happening...

You could buy ten 500 GB externals for the price of one year of 500 GB service of this. $1/GB/year seems really expensive to me!

Then why risk putting your personal files on amazon's hard drives then? Who says they won't fail?

I would assume there's massive redundancy in place to keep this from happening...

Yeah you're probably right. They are probably sent to hard drives at the NSA and FBI and elsewhere.

Dang van, you really like to keep matters in your own hands, huh? That's cool.

And Abbott, it is a higher price than what you pay for an external HD at retail, but it comes with added benefits that make it worth it for certain situations, and not for others. S3 was built as an enterprise storage solution, with commodity pricing, after all. But with so many 3rd parties using it as a platform for personal cloud-y applications, Amazon must have decided to dominate that market, along with every other market they've ever tried their hand at.

I would be interested in seeing some data comparing the reliability of S3 to external backups. My preference for off-site storage comes almost entirely from my own problems with self-hosted storage... that is, it's not worth a whole lot.

And yes, TT, these services store files in multiple locations, in industrial datacenters. These places have insane climate control, fire suppression, power supplies, and security. S3 is designed for 99.999999999% reliability, although you can pay less for 99.9%. If you choose the former and reliability drops below 99.9%, you get your money back. I don't think you can sue amazon just because they lost your home movies or anything, though.

These cloud services take care of scheduling your backups, checking them, making multiple copies in different locations, and you don't have to worry about some burglar stealing them. They make it so the user doesn't have to do anything, which is a huge plus for backups

Just wait until Amazon starts deleting stuff from your collections because they've decided that they're pirated (as they've done with books), or datamining you, or bombarding you with emails to upgrade your files to the latest remastered version or whatever, or jack up their prices, or change the terms, etc etc

Then why risk putting your personal files on amazon's hard drives then? Who says they won't fail?

I would assume there's massive redundancy in place to keep this from happening...

Yeah you're probably right. They are probably sent to hard drives at the NSA and FBI and elsewhere.

― van smack, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 7:43 PM (2 hours ago)

loooooooooooooool

tbh i think this is the future of digital media whether you like it or not, the faster & better wireless internet gets the less reason there becomes to put a hard drive in a portable device when you can stream everything

thinkin this might be the best way to back up the 320kbps files of records I own on vinyl...

the cluod is a failwhale

call me ishmael.

I am starting a depressive doom metal band called ANHEDONIA.
We will release all albums direct to the cloud......

tried this out this morning, it doesn't seem so bad? i'll occasionally buy mp3s off amazon, and i might as well upload to their cloud when i do (20gb free should last me awhile too, i'm not trying to put my whole collection in there).

anyone enjoying it?

I am liking it- especially the free shit you get from amazon that doesnt coutn towards your storage limit

I love it. I always prefer amazon to itunes or any other online retailer.

oh hey guess you can't play those movies you bought after all

http://boingboing.net/2013/12/15/amazon-takes-away-access-to-pu.html