GnR reclaims their glory!

my friend josh is c.15: three years ago he was into nirvana and limp bizkit -> if i see him soon i shall quiz him

Not a single soul that witnessed the resurrection of the almighty clarinet solo could resist the urge to involuntarily exclaim "Holy $#!T", or something along those lines. Now, step out of the inside of your own rectum, and step into a 75-year-old's bedroom slippers. This "Holy $#!T" moment in their impressionable mind is of a magnitude you and I cannot imagine. When those shoes walk into their local mall tomorrow, they are going to buy James Last's collected works.

For the first time in the 21st century, dance music has made real noise. It was made by Lawrence Welk. It doesn't matter whether or not you think he sucked.

Your grandparents are back. Now lets just sit back and listen to the aftermath.

WTF R U TLKINGBOUT,
DJ Jive Happy Jesus

One could ask the very same question about Michael Jackson, but they still wheel out his freakshow every damn year, and dust off "Billie Jean" for the bazillionth time (nooo, that doesn't sound dated at all, does it!)

That said, however, I just wince at the fact that people now equate G'n'R solely with Axl, when it was the original collective ensemble (with Slash, Duff, Izzy, etc.) that made that first album the watershed it was. Did anyone notice that Axl seemed to have BLACKENED-IN the crucifix-design tatoo of the band (the same design that was featured on the cover of APPETITE, after the Rober Williams painting uproar) on his arm? Revisionism at its veritable depth.

Bring back Slash and Duff too, and *THEN* we got a reason for DJ Sonic Jesus' shamelessly purplose prose. Incidentally, Alain Jourgensen should not be listed on a roster of chameleon-like masters of re-invention, as he's been stuck in irons for the past three albums and is currently as completely irrelevant as Guns'n'Roses.

Also: Dave M made my fucking day.

Best musical moment of last night's award show: After Jennifer "Grossly fatuous overexposure" Lopez informed everyone for the umpteenth time that "she's just a girl from the Bronx" (yeah, but does she live there now?) and introduced Rudie Giulliani, they played the Clash's "Rudie Can't Fail" over the PA for the man's entrance.....probably the first time the music of the Clash has been heard on MTV in about twenty years.

KORITFW,

DJ Sonic Jesus

not true. there are those 'london calling' ads now.

(yes yes i KNOW that 'rock the casbah' and that BAD II song that sampled 'should i stay etc' got tons of airplay but come on it's a funnie reply!!)

Yah Fritz I work at a facility with about 32 teenage and just-near-teenage kids exactly one of whom has ever heard of GnR: who considers it "music that dad is into." They like Eminem. If Axl does not find a way to duet with Eminem he is DOOMED. GnR's original core audience (13 to 17 year olds) think Papa Roach has more cred.

Moreover, my comment about the Clash being played had nothing to do with the context in which they were played (i.e. association with Rudy) but merely the fact that it was their music playing (and not in a Jaguar ad).

I was never that huge a fan of Rudy G., mostly for his quasi-fascist 'quality of life' campaign that closed many a great live music venue in the city, but I fail to see how he "sp[a]t in the spilled blood of the 3000 dead innocent victims of the Sept. 11th tragedy to further his career and raise his 'approval rating.'" What would you have suggested, shithead? How exactly did he exploit it? By actually acting like a responsible mayor?

What the fuck do you know about it? If you don't live here, you have precious little right to opine about it, motherfucker!

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But see, G'N'R sharing band members with El Stew/Eddie Def/DJ Disk = partially classic

(Sadly though, I think Axl's band is just riding out the employment, so they can cash in on benefits when the inevitable happens.)

What part of Guiliani exploiting the September 11th tragedy to further his political career do you not find offensive. Answer that question when he runs for President if (hopefully) Bush doesn't find a way to get a third term. And dude, lighten up. Go listen to some whimpy and happy fluff like Magnetic Fields or something.

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And how can you dare to say such a vicious thing when you have no idea how I was personally struck by the Sept. 11th tragedy?

I meant to discuss the hopes of the return of the (good) rock to the masses, and you've spun it into this vile hate-filled personal attack. Do you really love music?

KORITFW,

DJ Sonic Jesus

What the fuck do you know about it? If you don't live here, you have precious little right to opine about it, motherfucker!

Sorry for the typo.

KORITFW,

DJ Sonic Jesus

have you ever actually heard a magnetic fields record?

2. Giuliani's political career is over, 9/11 or not, and anyone with half a brain knows this. If you think extremely pushy adulterers prone to prostate cancer and living with openly gay men have a viable shot at getting Republican Party nominations in this country, think again.

If Mark S's idea were a rhubarb pie it would be a quite delicious one. If Mark S's idea were an automobile it would run smoothly and handle corners in a very nice way. If Mark S's idea were a science fiction writer it would have just come up with an idea for a series of novels in which aliens colonize the earth only you can't tell the aliens from the humans even if you're just a person reading the book, except that the aliens have some weird variations on grammatical usage that you begin to catch on to around page 200 or so and it gives you the willies when you start figuring out who the aliens are and who aren't.

Your assertion that I'm somehow feigning my status as a New Yorker set the "vicious" tone, so deal with it. Moreover, your opinion that Giulliani somehow "spat in the spilled blood...etc.etc." was as wholly presumptious and offensive as anything I could have said. If you're as "personally struck" by the events of last September at all, you should be aware that it's a hot button issue that invites a wide array of interpretation. Perhaps you should think twice before expressing your thoughts on the matter if you're going to be so riled-up by diffent opinions.

Regarding Giulliani, while I'd hardly call the man a saint, my own observation says that he handled the events of last September with more grace, dignity, professionalism and fortitude than I ever would have expected....and I never voted for the man. I have yet to see him exploit his actions for any political gain, but as you say...he may go onto do so should he run for higher office. We'll discuss that then, but in the interim, how, in your mind, SHOULD he have handled it better? Do you think he dropped the ball in some way? How would YOU have handled it?

And on your other points:
- I hate the Magnetic Fields. Always have done.

- When I start getting "vicious," you'll know it.

- Guns'n'Roses returning (if they ever manage to actually release an album) doesn't necessarily signify a return of "good rock" to the masses. Listen to that performance again. Hardly the second coming, now is it!

- Just because my opinion differs from yours does not make it "hate-filled."

- Yes, I do really love music. Good music, mind you.

- What does "KORITFW" mean?

Mark S, you aren't even close.

Guiliani was the mayor of NYC. He didn't do a good job until Sept. 12th. I don't believe the sins of his past should be forgotten, and as you stated, he shouldn't be elevated to the status of saint.

I don't want to say anymore on the subject. This is a music board.

You missed my point entirely about what GnR symbolized last night. It didn't have anything to do with how good or bad they were. For just a moment last night, and you cannot deny this, rock and roll rose to the top. No one else created such excitement last night.

Axl and company failed to deliver. But the hope is out there. The people want it. But who is the artist that will follow through?

KORITFW,

DJ Sonic Jesus

"We fought the war against terrorism for you lot"

"Bet you're sorry you won"

I thought we were all agreed that it was Mortiis.

Alright, DJ Sonic Jesus,....fair points made (althought Neil Young's finest hour way, way, way pre-dates his hackneyed RAGGED GLORY days)

Not satisfied with letting you have the last word on Giulliani, let's remember that I only brought him up given his placement in the proceedings as it pertained the the airing of the Clash's music. You were the one who wanted to get into the deeper aspects of it, not me. And I agree -- prior to Sept.11th, I didn't think much of Rudy either -- nor do I think he'd be a fine prez (although he'd probably do better than ol' Dubya). Whatever. Like you say, this is a music board. I was talking about the Clash, not the former-mayor. Let's move on.

"You missed my point entirely about what GnR symbolized last night......For just a moment last night.......rock and roll rose to the top. No one else created such excitement last night."

True, good point. But, the lacklusterness of the performance sort've set back the same cause, no?

HTF!

"Keep On Rockin'..." is actually on Freedom, but the thought is still valid.

At the risk of drudging all of this back up, my point wasn't that he didn't have the right to HAVE an opinion on it, but that he shouldn't blithely express those extreme opinions (read: "opine") if he doesn't have some involved stake in the matter. It's a slightly more involved issue than simple geography. By the same way of thinking, while I may wholly deplore their methods of suicide bombing, I cannot pretend to understand the levels of desperation currently experienced by Palestinians. I can sit an ocean away and think they're going about it all wrong, but until I've walked in their shoes, do I have the right to judge them?

That all said, I'm not out to prolong my dispute with DJ Sonic Jesus. He made some very valid points, and I reacted in a knee-jerk fashion (who? ME?!?!) to some of his comments, for which I apologize.

Honor the Fire!