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I think there are too many threads on the forum. (So here's another one)

But I think they are nearly all good.

I also think that ILM works best when a diverse range of opinions converge on a single topic, rather than when people are forced by weight of numbers to pick and choose their areas of interest.

So: a proposal, to keep the numbers slightly lower and create a breathing space where existing threads can stretch out a bit.

One new question per person per day. (Excepting FT Article Responses and Pop-Eyes and stuff like that, when they return).

No new questions at weekends.

Any comments on this? I'll put something on the post-a-question page. This would be an on-trust rule rather than something coded into the way the forum works, by the way.

Thanks!

Tom, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

This is a great idea.

Dr. C, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Absolutely. Why don't we have a thread where new questions are stored and released into general discussion slowly. It's all become too much to cope with (and too time consuming!).

Guy, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Makes perfect sense to me.

Patrick, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Right, I've done it. We'll see if it works.

Back to the questions, then!

Tom, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

what is the logic of no new questions at the weekend?

DJ Martian, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

A time for threads and discussions to evolve a bit and develop. Doesn't have to be the weekend, could be any couple of days. My feeling was good threads or potentially good threads were being neglected with people eager to offer up their views on all the new ones. Like I say we'll see if it works.

Tom, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Brave move, you have my support. But now I'd like to 'hjack' this thread.

Can any of the regulars recommend old threads? Memorable debates, where opinions were challenged and discussed at length Eg - 'the trashiness of great pop', or 'Rock vs Pop' or 'Rock vs Rap' (I can't remember)

K-reg, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Okay. I was with you until the no new questions on the weekends (or any given day) - what's the point of that? I'd think that one new question per day limit would take care of a lot of this, and shutting it down completely to let other discussions "evolve" isn't really a good idea. I mean, there are a lot of discussions upon which there is no way to evolve.

What I WOULD suggest is maybe if a thread CAN evolve, people don't post brand new questions along the lines of, "As discussed in such and such other thread..." and instead discuss it in the thread. I understand there is a bit of a hardship in this because that means the subject won't necessarily agree but perhaps there could be some way for people to edit the question header to reflect multiple topics? Then again, the most blatant abuse of "As discussed in such and such thread" was done by someone trying to irritate everyone so it's really not going to help much in that case.

So, yeah, one question per day: good. Having no-question-days: bad.

Ally, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I hope it is one new question per person! See, this is why I combined several classic or duds at once. How annoying would it be to have all those bands seperaately posted? And I'm only one guy. Imagine if everyone posted C or D's seperately.

, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

You know what would be brilliant - if you could tell from looking at the thread list when someone had last mailed to it. It would be great to know at a glance whether anyone had responded to your Taking Sides - Wishbone Ash v. Stevie Ray Vaughan posting.

Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I agree that there are too many threads. One thread per day seems fair to me. Don't yet think I understand the proposal re. all new questions going into one thread.

the pinefox, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Yeah, to clarify:

Heybuddy: it is one thread per person per day. i.e. you can post a thread. Ally can also post a thread. Ethan can post a thread. And so on.

DV: You can do this kind of - go to the 'new answers' bit on the front page and you get the forum viewed by update.

Ally: I cant code anything into the way the forum works unfortunately re. editing headers. Only admin ppl can do that i.e. me, Josh and Nicole. The weekends thing - we'll see what happens. If it doesnt work we'll drop it.

Tom, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

The problem is, Tom, that a lot of people post just on the weekends. Not me, in fact I rarely come online during the weekends unless I'm very bored, but it doesn't stop the fact that a lot of people are weekenders and I don't reckon it's fair that THEY can't ask a question but other people can. If that's how it's going to be, you might as well make it so only admins can post questions, and then they mill out the questions bit by bit that people submit.

Ally, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Who are these lots of people who only post on weekends, then? Weekends = less traffic anyway.

Tom, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I doubt one of the most flagrant offenders in the "posting multiple threads in one day" category is going to listen anyway, but it is worth a try.

Nicole, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I don't know, Tom, I never did a study on it; all I know is when I come on on Monday morning from Friday when I leave work, there are a million new posts and it seems a bit weird to cut that out. I think it's a much better idea to try to encourage people to branch out discussions in threads and go through old threads to write on those than to shut down new questions entirely for certain periods.

And yes, if most anyone listens I'll be amazed.

As I said, if you're going to shut down posting questions on certain days, then you might as make it the admins job to post the questions entirely - this way you can be certain the new threads that do make it on here aren't going to be self-aggrandizing crap, nasty flames of Simon Reynolds, or stuff that exists in an old thread.

The real problem is not that there are too many threads. It's that there are too many pointless threads. But short of deleting them whatcha gonna do?

Ally, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Admins posting threads kills spontaneity completely (as opposed to just putting it on a leash) and = more grief for admins in the long run, deciding whether threads are 'worthy' etc. Also it removes the 'admin' class still further from the general community.

Yeah there are loads of posts at the weekend but they're always by the usual suspects. If I only came online at the weekend I'd never ever read ILM, it would be mad, you couldnt follow anything. That said if someone turns up on this thread on Saturday and says hey I only post at weekends I will obviously revise the 'policy'.

Tom, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Well, I'm certainly going to follow the new rule (if I am the flagrant offender Nicole was talking about). Only for a brief period did I start several threads. Usually, I just answer. I think it will make people save up for truly worthwhile questions.

, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I thought she was talking about Tom!

Nick, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I am bound by the rules as much as anyone - I'm working out which of several threads to post (Admin ones being a different matter) ;)

Tom, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Yeah, don't y'all worry, I'll keep TOM'S ass in check.

Josh, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

but who will watch the watchman?!

fred solinger, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

We all will. We're self-policing to a fault. It's like a panopticon with no center.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

ooops...ill rein myself in on friday for a change + after the wagon christ thread i promise to steer clear of classicdudseekdestroytakingsides as i have honestly enjoyed the other discussions more.

Geordie Racer, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

How embarrassing that my only previous exposure to the word "panopticon" was Doctor Who...

Dan Perry, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I *so* choo-choo-choose you, Dan.

lisa s, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

This puts a whole new meaning on the word 'weekender': I wonder whether it can take the strain.

alex thomson, Friday, 4 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Bless my little heart. *blush*

I was going to make a really awful joke about Josh keeping Tom's ass in gingham, but that would be wrong.

Dan Perry, Friday, 4 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Ouch. Jokes like that could put someone's eye out.

A floral print would be more figure flattering anyway.

Nicole, Friday, 4 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

There seems to be a progression over several threads

1. c or d an artiste(s) 2. s + d " 3. compare two albums by said artiste

- fuxache have we discussed MBV and CAN enough yet or are we gonna get more microscopic - i prefer multiple questions onna thread - gives the thread breadth + depth - i reckon to to s+d on an artist with only one album out is fuckin hilariously shit - what next - whats the best verse in 'seasons intha sun' ?

if you must offend....do it flagrantly !, Saturday, 5 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I'm afraid I find that last comment a little unfair - at least because the stand-off of the two MBV LPs seems to be a genuine one, with opinion genuinely split between many many posters who all have really subtle things to say about those records.

the pinefox, Monday, 7 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

But we haven't had the essential 'Who is your favourite vocalist in Can?' thread yet! Or the "Can vs. MBV: who were a better live band?" question! ;)

Omar, Monday, 7 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

point taken fellas - im just lookin down the line -

- so which was the best Erasure album and was loss of The Assembly a cruel blow to UK music, lyle lovett vs. nanci griffith(?), who would advertise dandelion and burdock, should record companies be allowed to give freebies to fans to get there records bought, has any great record been made with the TR505, if japan had won the war what would we have been listening to, who is the most versatile remixer,aaaaaaaaarrrrrggggghhhhh

Geordie Racer, Monday, 7 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

The answer to the third question is Peter Hitchens, surely?

Robin Carmody, Monday, 7 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

If Japan had won the war we would be listening to David Sylvian.

Where did everyone go?

mark s, Monday, 7 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

ten months pass...
IRONY.

(although this should return.)

jess, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

twenty-one years pass...

lol

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Saturday, 26 August 2023 02:54 (one year ago) link

An innocent time

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 26 August 2023 04:42 (one year ago) link

retvrn

vashti funyuns (sic), Saturday, 26 August 2023 05:30 (one year ago) link

all the threads are good, but there are too many of them

ciderpress, Saturday, 26 August 2023 05:47 (one year ago) link

The thread police, they live inside of my thread.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 26 August 2023 10:35 (one year ago) link

OP was just over a month before the ILE breakaway splittist faction struck and stuck

mark s, Saturday, 26 August 2023 10:54 (one year ago) link

I still want to know what happened to Momus Momus Momus

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 26 August 2023 11:03 (one year ago) link

ilx is in it's early 20's now, a bit too old for his tastes

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Saturday, 26 August 2023 11:07 (one year ago) link

xp

Whatever happened to DG? Not spoken to him in years since Chatz

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Saturday, 26 August 2023 11:07 (one year ago) link

a few weeks back and a few streets away, in the city i just moved to, this👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼 opened (i have yet to patronise it)

https://i.imgur.com/YTZC9l2.jpg

mark s, Saturday, 26 August 2023 11:09 (one year ago) link

I didn’t mean the person, the personality, I meant the category of thread and thread categories in general.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 26 August 2023 11:21 (one year ago) link

lol calz

Grandall Flange (wins), Saturday, 26 August 2023 11:22 (one year ago) link

Oh yeah lol.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 26 August 2023 11:27 (one year ago) link

One thread per day… What a bad idea. 20 threads per month would have killed ILM a long time ago. It’s easier to cold shoulder the threads you don’t care about and there’s the option to not display polls if you hate those.

A solution that I would code is each user can only post one thread per month. It’s not as strict and makes the users double think what they want to discuss/poll

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 26 August 2023 15:29 (one year ago) link

every poll you create costs you one year of your life, feel like this would set a tone even tho it would have no practical effect

my full length poll (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 August 2023 15:33 (one year ago) link

this is already in effect, we just didn't tell people

mark s, Saturday, 26 August 2023 15:36 (one year ago) link

no killing what can't be killed

my full length poll (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 August 2023 15:36 (one year ago) link

Lol

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 26 August 2023 15:39 (one year ago) link

Because these polls they give me
They give me the creeps anymore
Too many threads
Too many threads

Chris L, Saturday, 26 August 2023 16:15 (one year ago) link

as this thread predates my own awareness of ilx by a couple years, and I mostly lurked around because this place was super intimidating (still intimidating? but I used to be an anxious teenager, so)

was it considerably busier two decades ago? and how many regulars were there? never seem to catch more than 50 or so active users at a time these days, at peak hours, but there are ~9000 registered users

Florin Cuchares, Sunday, 27 August 2023 06:06 (one year ago) link

which is still very modest I think considering the age of this forum and the general quality of content (lol) but really what a tremendous job of moderation and administration and I think I understand why people googleproof certain names and 77 and etc

Florin Cuchares, Sunday, 27 August 2023 06:12 (one year ago) link

idk why but i'm reading that original post like it was written by Shel Silverstein.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 27 August 2023 06:51 (one year ago) link

xp

it was a lot busier, yes. Also, please bear in mind this thread was started before DG created ILE.

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Sunday, 27 August 2023 08:31 (one year ago) link

Around 2003 I would sometimes get caught in a loop of reading all the threads updated that interested me, refreshing, seeing a bunch of new updates and I could just keep going like that.

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 27 August 2023 08:36 (one year ago) link

How would anyone get anything done! I like ilxors current pace, far more manageable

H.P, Sunday, 27 August 2023 12:56 (one year ago) link

Huge long considered posts too. Threads very rarely reached 100 posts. They were celebrated as milestones when they did.

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Sunday, 27 August 2023 12:59 (one year ago) link

It was a simpler time. Plus ILX threads were all deindexed for a long while.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 August 2023 13:00 (one year ago) link

but you didn't need to register to post so random googlers and angry mailing lists/other boards showed up, lol

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Sunday, 27 August 2023 13:02 (one year ago) link

Sorry, can you explain deinxed?

H.P, Sunday, 27 August 2023 13:38 (one year ago) link

*Indexed, good lord

H.P, Sunday, 27 August 2023 13:39 (one year ago) link

Deindexed = hidden from g00gle. (Hidden from all search engines? idk)

The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Sunday, 27 August 2023 13:46 (one year ago) link

I liked the misspelling:)

Means it wasn't showing up in Google searches

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 August 2023 13:46 (one year ago) link

(xp)

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 August 2023 13:46 (one year ago) link

In any case there seemed to be more time, it just seemed to be more private, some of us were typing from laptops and desktops instead of phones, not as many people had died, it was still fun to interact with Momus etc.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 August 2023 13:49 (one year ago) link

Of course some new ILX0rs were born as well so we replenished.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 August 2023 14:22 (one year ago) link

it was still fun to interact with Momus etc

citation needed :|

mark s, Sunday, 27 August 2023 14:29 (one year ago) link

ILX threads were all deINXSed for a while

I can't turn a fart into a question (Neanderthal), Sunday, 27 August 2023 14:33 (one year ago) link

Sorry if this is a dumb q, but why does Tom E no longer post here (or does he?)

Stoned Wheat Thing (morrisp), Sunday, 27 August 2023 14:38 (one year ago) link

because of the grocery groin post

I can't turn a fart into a question (Neanderthal), Sunday, 27 August 2023 14:41 (one year ago) link

He was playing evil genius and we were all the occupants of the vat in which he used to make observations for a paper he wrote about the lifecycle of message borads iirc.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 August 2023 15:01 (one year ago) link

deINXSed

I need ilx tonight, cause I'm not sleeping

Pontius Pilates (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 27 August 2023 15:02 (one year ago) link

_it was still fun to interact with Momus etc_

citation needed :|

Why I Am Not A Rockist by 'Plastic' Russell Bertrand

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 August 2023 15:03 (one year ago) link

Threads very rarely reached 100 posts. They were celebrated as milestones when they did.

I remember it was a big deal when the Aerial thread hit 1000 posts, circa 2005

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Sunday, 27 August 2023 16:14 (one year ago) link

wasn't this the first 1000+ thread?

Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs?

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Sunday, 27 August 2023 16:22 (one year ago) link

I don’t believe you, you need more posters

DMB thread was famed for being very long iirc

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 August 2023 16:57 (one year ago) link

iirc try glasgow more (on ILE, mind you) was the longest thread ever at one point

jaymc, Sunday, 27 August 2023 17:13 (one year ago) link

funny that what's become the default Pitchfork thread (21,000+ posts!) started with 30 posts in 2002 and then lay dormant for 5 years before being revived

jaymc, Sunday, 27 August 2023 17:15 (one year ago) link

Pretty sure top three are:

2008 Primaries Thread: 7253+
Your 2008 Presidential Candidate Speculation Thread: 7238
try glasgow more: 6800+

I think a Chicago thread from a couple years ago might be 4th. Dave Matthews only has about 2500.

― jaymc, Wednesday, February 6, 2008 6:04 PM (fifteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

jaymc, Sunday, 27 August 2023 17:20 (one year ago) link

If I can stay focused, the Immaculate Grid thread will be over 10,000 by the end of 2024.

clemenza, Sunday, 27 August 2023 17:22 (one year ago) link

The DMB thread would periodically be revived by random Googlers (some of whom stuck around a minute, IIRC), so it was sort of the gift that kept giving.

Stoned Wheat Thing (morrisp), Sunday, 27 August 2023 17:24 (one year ago) link

Sorry if this is a dumb q, but why does Tom E no longer post here (or does he?)

Tom has started, grown, and abandoned-after-decline several other internet and IRL communities in the meantime. (His current one has been given an end-of-life target in the last few weeks.)

vashti funyuns (sic), Sunday, 27 August 2023 17:40 (one year ago) link

Tom delete all the 50 favorite threads now, please!

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 August 2023 18:03 (one year ago) link

Sorry

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 August 2023 18:03 (one year ago) link

j/k

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 August 2023 18:39 (one year ago) link

funny that what's become the default Pitchfork thread (21,000+ posts!) started with 30 posts in 2002 and then lay dormant for 5 years before being revived


Nobody could have predicted after the previous 34985859340293849493 threads that this would be the one to have legs

Grandall Flange (wins), Sunday, 27 August 2023 18:44 (one year ago) link

Tom's music polls were just about the only decent thing about Twitter when I left it, if those come back on a new platform I'd consider joining it just for that

imago, Sunday, 27 August 2023 19:01 (one year ago) link

he's on bluesky calmly posting as he usually does

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Sunday, 27 August 2023 19:26 (one year ago) link

every poll you create costs you one year of your life, feel like this would set a tone even tho it would have no practical effect

― my full length poll (Noodle Vague)

i'm already over my statistically allocated lifespan, which i think means that knocking years off my life has no effect whatsoever.

Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 27 August 2023 20:20 (one year ago) link

Tom's music polls were just about the only decent thing about Twitter when I left it, if those come back on a new platform I'd consider joining it just for that

lol I was so annoyed by these at their peak. I didn't even follow the account, but they were all over my timeline.

jaymc, Sunday, 27 August 2023 20:53 (one year ago) link

Tom's music polls were just about the only decent thing about Twitter when I left it, if those come back on a new platform I'd consider joining it just for that

he moved them to a dedicated site but not enough ppl joined the platform so moved back to twitter for a deathrun

vashti funyuns (sic), Sunday, 27 August 2023 21:02 (one year ago) link

aw, I'd have helped (lol)

guessing its presence on this new platform no longer exists

imago, Monday, 28 August 2023 07:35 (one year ago) link


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