How is Primal Scream's Evil/Heat?

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I haven't heard one track of it yet. But I am rather curious. I didn't like Xtrmntr. Though I only listened to it once. Usually I like PS. Especially when they don't try to be too innovative. Screamadelica is still one of the 20-30 best albums of the 90s.

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 09:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Last night I listened to Bernard Lenoir, the French indie DJ, who is back from holiday on France Inter. There were exactly two good tracks in the one hour programme. An intimate straightforward song from the new Nada Surf, where the singer reminded me a little of Nick Drake and another song which I had hoped was from the new PS. But it turned out that it was an old song by the Happy Mondays whom I don't know too well. What a pity.

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 09:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I do have the album, and I'm a big, long-time Primal Scream fan - but I don't think it's much good at all. Maybe their weakest since the '80s. It's a bit like a watered down Xtrmntr, sort of.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 10:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The Lord Is My Shotgun is the most horrible song Primal Scream have ever put their name to.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 10:26 (twenty-two years ago)

but 'Deep Hit Of The Morning Sun' is rather super...the rest of the album hasnt hit me much yet so probly not as good as the last 2 (generally bloody excellent) albums for me

― blueski, Tuesday, 3 September 2002 10:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Deep Hit Of The Morning Sun is rubbish as well. It just doesn't hang together at all.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 11:25 (twenty-two years ago)

who gives a shit about hanging together? its a dazed confused tumbling psychedelic stupour of an opening track and i like it

― blueski, Tuesday, 3 September 2002 11:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Ahh... that's exactly why I don't like it...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

fair enough :)

― blueski, Tuesday, 3 September 2002 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Its very hit and miss although "Autobahn 66" is a great choon

― naz, Tuesday, 3 September 2002 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Is there any restriction on saying 'it would make a great ep' on ILM? Because it would make a great ep. Or a slightly above average ep.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Its very hit and miss although "Autobahn 66" is a great choon
Is that a Kraftwerk cover? Any songs by themselves which stand out?
After having read the answers up to now I am hardly interested to follow the thread anymore.

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 13:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Autobahn 66 is their own tune, though you'd never know it. Sorry if the answers aren't very interesting, but it's the record's fault. Rise stands out, because it is a nice variation on the old hip-swinging jagger stomps they always do and it is sung in a faux-cockney accent. In fairness, I think the album could be a grower, given the chance.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

As far as I'm concerned, Primal Scream can suck it for everything they did pre-XTRMNTR, but I thought XTRMNTR was GREBT, absolutely the best ear candy released that year. I'm actually really looking forward to getting hands on this one (sadly not out in Canada yet) and even if it is watered down compared to the previous release, I'm sure I'll still enjoy it for a while. Besides, it's another opportunity to hear K. Shields again, so.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

It is a grower. I thought it was wretched initially, but now it's on my personal short list for the end of the year. Martin saying it's their weakest since the 80's explains a lot. I happened to like the s/t album from '89 a great deal, so apparently our tastes are polar opposites.

Standout tracks are Rise, Detroit, Skull X, and City.

― paul cox, Tuesday, 3 September 2002 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Its available on order from HMV MEGASUPERfreakingHUGE Store. They claimed it was sold out. So I thinks they is lieing.

Come on Sean, can't you cut them some slack at least for Vanishing Point if the flower power of Screamadelica was too much?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Vanishing Point was admittedly okay. I didn't actually know about Vanishing Point until after XTRMNTR was out, because I had absolutely no desire to get any of their stuff and wasn't watching their section. My roomie pointed that one out to me when I told him how surprised I was by XTRMNTR, and he said he actually preferred the version of "If They Move Kill Them" from Vanishing Point, but I found the whole thing a bit of a yawnfest by comparison, to be honest.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a turd. I haven't heard it, it just *is*.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Fair enough, Im still fighting the urge to randomly say 'Vanishing Point... Kowalski" to myself. I like Vanishing Point for the same reason I like Day For Night, it does what the band normally does but darker.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't know you were a snob, Dr.C.
Vanishing Point was quite ok, but they already tried to do something new. And it wasn't. Xtrmntr was even more radical (I have the CD but listened to it only once, it was enough) but there was not one track into which I got. Why don't they just continue to sound like a younger Rolling Stones like on the album after Screamadelica? It would be all right with me.

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

It's the thrillingest rock & roll album I've heard since I can't remember when. Totally mesmerising, absolute knockout. Killer concept (quite literally, every song seems to be about death), too.

― JoB (JoB), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

mish mash of unfocused ideas, and bobbys gettin on my nerves...

― jk, Tuesday, 3 September 2002 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm with Dr C. After all, Bobby G seems to live his life and art assuming that some things *just are* cool, and it seems only fair to judge his band by the same arbitrary yardstick.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

haha i know someone who goes to the same gym as BG!! And Irvine Welsh too!! The idea of thes two in a gym (esp.the SAME gym) makes me larf non-stop obv.

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

what kinds of "exercises" do they do? Does it involve non-rubber hose and syringe-type equipment? ask your friend for details!! I must know!!!!!

― felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

So Bobby G goes to a gym to get that authentic heroin-addled figure? I'm disappointed. Then again, he's one of the worst frontmen I've ever seen, he actually hands the mic over to Mani for any banter with the audience, his only contribution being to tell them to fuck off.

Evil Heat is great, the only legitimate reason for not liking it is that it's not as good as XTRMNTR. It is a grower, and I won't deny that "The Lord Is My Shotgun" is bobbins, but Andy Wetherall and Kevin Shields make it. Primal Scream don't really make albums, do they? They're project managers.

― Mike (mratford), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

b-b-but Bobby's terrible singing melts my heart. (I'm Gonna) Cry Myself Blind until mark s comes back with his workout regiment.

― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 02:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Bobby G and Irvine Welsh have obviously been watching too much Rab C. Nesbitt.

I am listening to the album for the second time in 24 hours to see whether it grows on me. It's not a turd, Dr C, but it does have quite a few log-like properties. There was a concert on the radio the other day, some of the songs definitely sounded better in standard garage band garb.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)

But Mike XTRMNTR was RBBSH too!

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 06:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Incidentally, my pro-Primal Scream stance is just as arbitrary as anyone's anti-Primal Scream stance. It's not like I'm looking to them for authenticity or anything.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 06:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the main prob. with PS is that everything is so forced, so blunt. They're obv. trying SO HARD. There's no lyrical wit or insight from the fool Gillespie, so it's solely down to the music. Post Screamadelica, they just seem to flit around the canon (Stones, MBV, MC5, now Kraftwerk etc etc etc), nicking stuff and throwing it together in a desperate attempt to find a combination that'll serve as *now* enough and also show that they're part of a long tradition of rock (and electronic) pioneers. Ocassionally it sort of works, but there's just nothing of *themselves* in there - no trademark to identify them or create their own musical world.

Attempts to be controversial with song titles- 'Kill All Hippies', 'Swastika Eyes' etc - that might have served a purpose in say 1984 are just deeply lame now. Cover artwork too - XTRMNTR is laughable. These things matter.

But on top all of this there's Bobby's attempt to *rap* on XTRMNTR (don't know the name of the track). Humbling, sobering, embarrassing.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 07:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, probably a grower. I like 'Detroit' a lot though. Too bad for The Scream that the new Death in Vegas album does this stuff a lot better.

― Omar, Wednesday, 4 September 2002 07:58 (twenty-two years ago)

'Pills' is the rap track, too excruciatingly embarrassing even for me. I agree with everything Dr C says, I really hate the XTRMNTR artwork and the attempts to come up with something ruder than Belsen Was A Gas for a title. Hence the arbitrariness of my liking for them. Also they remind of when I was sixteen and strafing a hillside with my F14.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 08:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Keenan's review in this month's Wire pretty well OTM re. the Scream in general, I think.

Clearly Irvine W uses Bobby G as bar bells (no the Scream Bobby G not the one in the Official I'll Sue You If You Imply Otherwise Bucks Fizz - though there's an idea, maybe if those two do a band swap?).

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 4 September 2002 09:26 (twenty-two years ago)

BG's gym regimen (acc.my sardonic sapphic spy): "Five minutes of the most biddy-ish running (i.e. about 5kph) and some girly fixed-weight things. No lesbian/butch free weights. NO warm up (tut tut). No leg press."

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

more points off for nicking Philip K. Dick book title - even though I can see how they'd relate to that book - it's as though they're wallpapering themselves with hip references in the hopes that something will stick...

same old Primal Scream then?

― Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 10:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Omar what do you make of the new DIV? Do you have an entire copy?

It sounds like it's going to be a pretty odd album, Hands Around My Throat Vs Leather Girls Vs Cocaine and Gin Vs Scorpio is a big melange of styles as far as I can see, those being the 4 tracks I've heard. Well?

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 10:19 (twenty-two years ago)

1st listen: where's the dub? the techno?
2nd listen: tha fuck? Liam from Oasis.
3rd listen: genius
4th listen: no way Paul "Dr.C" Weller is on it?!?

It's a great rock album, I mean really great. I'll put more definite thoughts in my kindamuzik review

― Omar, Wednesday, 4 September 2002 11:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Are the two electronic tracks I mentioned actually on it? "Cocaine and Gin" and "Scorpio", I thought they were great.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 11:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Mmm, dunno. This is the tracklisting:.

1. Leather
2. Girls
3. Hands Around My Throat
4. 23 Lies
5. Scorpio Rising
6. Killing Smile
7. Natja
8. So You Say You Lost Your Baby
9. Diving Horses
10. Help Yourself

― Omar, Wednesday, 4 September 2002 11:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Odd, all the downloads must have been wrong, but they were definitely DIV. Perhaps Leather and Girls were on the same record. Cocaine and Gin was a great track if you can get a download. Scorpio might be Scorpio rising, kind of a slow burning electro house track that eventually got quite kicking.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Mmm, there is a track called Scorpio on the Hand Around Your Throat single. Must investigate that one then.

― Omar, Wednesday, 4 September 2002 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

But Mike XTRMNTR was RBBSH too!

You're wrong, Tom, it is BSLTLY FNTSTC.

― Mike (mratford), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

mark s thank you for debasing yourself to acquire those U+K details. :)

― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I am going to ask my wife tonight if she'll be my desert panther.

― Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

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