Jungle/D&B with hoovers

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I'm listening to Warped Kore's "The Power", an oldskool 1993 Jungle cut/paste fest with massive hoovers, and I need to hear more like this. Does anyone have some suggestions?

And for the sake of discussion, why has it been so difficult for drum 'n bass to recapture/emulate that spirit of '93? When "sophistication" and "jazz" were far away and people were busy mashing up dancehall vocals and tweaking the snares to sound like breaking glass. With the "retro" virus infesting every genre from folk to pop to rock to metal to techno to electro to hardstyle to punk, where is it in the (arguably completely mired down) drum 'n bass scene?

― Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Thursday, 5 September 2002 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I suspect I don't know what you mean by "hoovers", but this question does give me a chance to try out the new ILM Search facility.

http://www.ilxor.com/searchresults.php?board=2&q=jungle&mode=messages

― zebedee, Thursday, 5 September 2002 13:04 (twenty-three years ago)

i think because, even in 93, while there were hoovers and stuff, it was moving away from that, stripping down and away. there were a leftover from rave, and 93 music was not rave anymore, but it had not become jungle either, these sounds were pretty much entirely eradicated by the time it became jungle in 94. 93 is a strange black hole in this musics history. even if it were to go back to this sound it would be strange, because it would be the sound of moving towards, this was the sound of moving away

the paradox is, for jungle to truly embrace this sound again it would have to accept sounds and elements that are anti-jungle, that were jettisoned in its very formation, to accept the sounds that were cleared away to make it what it was/is

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 5 September 2002 13:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Hoover = multiple detuned saw waves, like the Roland Alpha Juno 1 and Juno 2 had as a preset. Used in hundreds of rave tunes, "Charly", "Mentasm", "Dominator", "Hoover Time", etc etc...

― Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Thursday, 5 September 2002 13:10 (twenty-three years ago)

some of the darkstep/no-u-turn/nico gear postdates '94. i think the hoover stuff was probably just symptomatic of the dark turn that particular branch of drum + bass took. a bit of a creative cul-de-sac, perhaps. hoover revival anyone?...anyone?

― michael w., Thursday, 5 September 2002 13:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I know that it's indeed a snapshot of something with so much momentum you can't really stop it and go back, but still - in that Warped Kore track, the hoovers fit in brilliantly. And while I have heard some modern drum 'n bass with hoovers (Dieselboy's "6ixth Session" CD) it's just too simple there - these tracks are simply too fast/simple, they sound like rave tunes with a breakbeat, while I would like to hear more typically mashed up jungle tunes with hoovers only as hooklines - i.e., jungle structure with hoovers as additional aesthetic elements rather than some structural change in jungle to make it more like rave/hardhouse/whatever.

Hmmm this sounds as if I should make it myself, hehehe....

― Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Thursday, 5 September 2002 13:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I still hear the hoover in drum 'n' bass. Last thing I listened to was Dillinja/Lemon D; hoovers all over that. I mean, it's the standard bass sound.... it's just evolved into an ever-more twisted and warped thing. And gotten boring--it doesn't exactly offer a wide range.

― Ben Williams, Thursday, 5 September 2002 13:30 (twenty-three years ago)

re...and people were busy mashing up dancehall vocals and tweaking the snares to sound like breaking glass

Anyone remember Renegade Selector 1 compilation released in 94 - very raw, dubby, with strong distorted breakbeats and t-i-m-e s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d effects

It's talked about here

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 5 September 2002 13:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Digital - Dubzilla - has a heavy dub influence mixed with breaks. It was released earlier this year.

reviewed... Digital - Dubzilla

Digital’s sound of rough beatz, thrusting sub-bass and old skool elements.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 5 September 2002 13:42 (twenty-three years ago)

_Low Profile Darkness_ by Panacea flirts with hoovers from time to time.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 5 September 2002 13:43 (twenty-three years ago)

I remember being in the basement of blackmarket records when nicky blackmarket put on a resocrd that seemed to be NOTHING BUT BASS and started smiling and saying 'Hoover! Hoover!'

― Robin Goad, Thursday, 5 September 2002 14:37 (twenty-three years ago)

here's a particularly good one: Manix - "Alright Wid Me (Tek 9 remix)"
(Reinforced RIVET1243R) thanks to Gareth

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 5 September 2002 17:23 (twenty-three years ago)

For Comtemporary Hoovers check Bad Company or things on the Renegade Hardware label. This stuff went through a hardcore revivalist period a couple of years ago - all mentasm and dissonance - but really it's just heavy metal for the 21st Century.

― Charile, Friday, 6 September 2002 06:51 (twenty-three years ago)

This subject came up a few months ago on a board elsewhere... and the 'inventor' of the hoover sound (who was a regular) posted this reponse....

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This is so totally amazing to me!

I made those original "Hoover" factory sounds (like "What The" ) for the original Roland Alpha Juno back in 1986 as basically JOKE patches. (They made the Japanese guys laugh!)

To see them turned into a cult with their own websites and serious hard house fans is beyond bizarre!

...you never know what will catch on....

spectrum

(aka: Eric Persing, Chief Sound Designer of Roland Corp and Spectrasonics)

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― Baxter Wingnut, Friday, 6 September 2002 09:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Gareth will know this - didn't Marc Arcadipane do a lot of this stuff? I'm thinking of Ace the Space and "9 Is A Classic". Would that be post-93, though?

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 6 September 2002 09:20 (twenty-three years ago)

ace the space thread

acardipane thread

i'm not sure how much of this acardipane did, although i am by no means au fait with his huge back catalogue. yes, ace the space was a mentasm track, though hardly breaky in a UK sense - a dominator update really (great track)

i think the mentasm hoover sound in its pure form was thought a) too ravey, and b) too euro by the jungle crowd, which is why it had to be mutated into this dirgey urban grime hoover. (the manix track talked about above is in a way quite surprising). it would be more associated with stuff like shaun imrei in a 1992 breakbeatrave sense (Terrorize Its Just A Feeling and Elevations Can U Feel It, which were both seen as very cheesy at the time - a la oceanic insanity or something). i think the hoover/mentasms time was associated pre-breakbeat really. its more of a 91 thing in the UK, before things went rapidly away from Euro-imput

― gareth (gareth), Friday, 6 September 2002 09:46 (twenty-three years ago)

CHAMPION SOUND!!! (obv.)

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 6 September 2002 10:42 (twenty-three years ago)

ace the space [...] (great track)
Just found out there's a Jaspa Jones/DJ Bossi mix of this!!! Gotta have this.....

but really it's just heavy metal for the 21st Century.
Exactly. Anti-aesthetic dissonance as a thick aural texture.

― Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Friday, 6 September 2002 10:58 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...

i forgot, mike slammer and dj red alert - in effect. not strictly jungle, predates it, from someone who went the other way towards HH, but mash ups and mentasm...

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 1 December 2002 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

PESHAY 'NOCTURNAL' - this track is amazing - so many things drop in and out - intricate as fuck - the brass stab is unexpected and superb, eclipsing even the use of the 'hoover/mentasm' sample - plus the track shifts a phase at the end and you get a very dancehall bassline - intelligent jump-up!

RUFIGE KRU 'Ajax' and the original version of 'Angel' from the 'Terminator' 12"

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 1 December 2002 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

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