Regional Elocution

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Look what Tom E secretly wrote:

THE BEATLES - "For No One"
So, I finally bought a Beatles album. "For No One" is the best track on the patchy Revolver, McCartney's singing on it a measured miracle (I could lose a day in those vowels). Why did everyone rip off Lennon's throaty yowlings and ignore McCartney's proud, stiff-backed regionalism?

― the pinefox, Saturday, 7 September 2002 11:19 (twenty-three years ago)

He's right, isn't he? But sth about that 'regional' aspect still needs more delving - an article, maybe.

― the pinefox, Saturday, 7 September 2002 11:20 (twenty-three years ago)

she said he said,.. well the void beckons, mac's too downright upbeat ic revolver whereas george has to do the dirty work of reminding everyone including his own bandmembers that the beatles will have to move off-shore

i think it's much more honest than pepper -- maybe precipitated by a crucial warning from the one they call the brother, but back to business with madonna and the white grooves

nevertheless anthology 3 revealed helter as song about grudgery of sex, cry baby in all it's regality etc.

crucial business decisions after that jesse james stirring lynch-bait ? well i never bought owned copied bothered or anything with let it be, signing off with she's so heavy

― george gosset (gegoss), Saturday, 7 September 2002 11:39 (twenty-three years ago)

wow - was that a missing passage from Finnegans Wake?

― the pinefox, Saturday, 7 September 2002 15:23 (twenty-three years ago)

you're spot on as always pinefox.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 7 September 2002 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

ouch george ouch!

― Josh (Josh), Saturday, 7 September 2002 17:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I still think Tom E was on a key point here, re. 'regional'. But what did he mean re. 'regional': specifically Scouse, or just generically non-London (is there such a thing)? And is the 'regional' aspect qualified by being *processed* through Received Pronunciation?

― the pinefox, Monday, 9 September 2002 06:53 (twenty-three years ago)

[... One day - one day - you will be interested in my thread ...]

― the pinefox, Tuesday, 10 September 2002 10:21 (twenty-three years ago)

five years pass...

Yes, today.

Steely Dan. Don Fagan has amazing regional elocution.

― felicity, Thursday, 28 February 2008 17:34 (seventeen years ago)

what's the difference between "regional elocution" and plain old "accent" then?

― Thomas, Thursday, 28 February 2008 18:15 (seventeen years ago)

Exactly.

Here, I think "regional elocution" meant a geographic deviation from the "accent" that would have been considered the norm -- what the pinefox calls (British) Received Pronunciation.

I think the idea makes more sense in a place like England. "Regional" would imply not-from-London, although even a non-accent is a form of accent.

Don Fagan sings in Deep Long Island, which is "regional" to the extent it is not-from-Manhattan.

(I could lose a day in those vowels).

Yes, I could.

― felicity, Friday, 29 February 2008 02:35 (seventeen years ago)

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