Country Songs that reference 9/11 vs. Rock Songs that reference 9/11

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Alan Jackson, Toby Keith, Ray Stevens vs. Sleater-Kinney, Bruce Springsteen, Patti Smith...

James Blount, Tuesday, 10 September 2002 06:55 (twenty-three years ago)

i vote for "bouncin back"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 10 September 2002 07:05 (twenty-three years ago)

specifically "sometimes you gotta get knocked down to get up"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 10 September 2002 07:06 (twenty-three years ago)

...Neil Young, Steve Earle (who definitely falls on the 'rock' side of this equation).

What I find I dread even more than the rock critics' reading post-9/11 meaning into pre-9/11 lyrics (hello Wilco! Moola moola Mr. Tweedy!), are rock musicians reading meaning into 9/11. I also find myself wincing less at country music's responses be it Alan Jackson's "Where Were You When the World Stopped Turning?" (which managed to trump Sleater-Kinney's "Far Away" in one twelfth the time with one eighth the melodrama and none of the narcissism) or the Toby Keith rant which albeit a bit jingo (although more understandably so than say, "Parklife"), at least managed to sound firmer in it's convictions (and hella more catchy) than S-K's "Combat Rock" which has to be the emptiest anti-war anthem since what? ("War on War"?) (and the only reason I'm singling out Sleater-Kinney is that they're the only rock examples I've been able to bear listening to as yet. I'm not getting anywhere near Springsteen). Is it because country music is probably the least anti-American music there is and country artists are free to express grief/anger without having to twist themselves into knots resolving it with their liberalism? Or is it that rock musicians lack the humility common to country acts, and feel the need to make a statement of supposed import (what was it Dylan said when told Crosby, Stills, & Nash claimed credit for ending the Vietnam war? "Yeah, they would. They were those kind of guys.") Also, is the appearance of Arabic chanting on records by guys (Springsteen, Earle) whose previous recordings have been aesthetically "America First" isolationist/exceptionalist a sign of empathy or patronising?

James Blount, Tuesday, 10 September 2002 07:18 (twenty-three years ago)

A plague on both their houses. Hip-hop's response to 9/11 has been infinitely more interesting (especially as it's coincided with mainstream hip-hop's sound-source scavenging being the most internationalist it's been for ages) especially cos it mostly doesn't feel the need to take 'positions'.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 10 September 2002 07:51 (twenty-three years ago)

cassette boys WTC

n-rose, Tuesday, 10 September 2002 11:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, the Cassette Boy, if a bit too half-assed incendiary, at least isn't tongue-tied with neurosis or good intentions (unlike every rock example).

James Blount, Tuesday, 10 September 2002 13:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Ray Stevens? I never heard his 9/11 song. "Ahab the A-rab", perhaps?

Handsome Dan, Tuesday, 10 September 2002 18:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I've heard an obviously exaggerated statement from somebody recently that Wu-Tang's new(est) album Iron Flag is 'all about' Septemeber 11. They mention it on a number of different songs, and the name of the album is supposed to be some sort of 'united we stand' symbol of defenciveness against the attacks, whoever they are.

Incidentally, its also a pretty shit album too. They have become real shit like most hip-hop these days thanks to the whole scene being thrown into a downward spiral of degeneration into consumerism in the early nineties. As you can tell I don't like mainstream hiphop.

Rob McD (Keith McD), Friday, 13 September 2002 00:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Chris Morris's "Bushwhacked" is the finest comment I've heard on the whole sorry scene. It should be still here http://downloads.warprecords.com/morris/bushwhacked.mp3 if yr lucky...

"But is it music?" I hear you ask. To these ears...

Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 13 September 2002 00:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Aw, but it's all censored and shit...

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 13 September 2002 01:25 (twenty-three years ago)

What I find I dread even more than the rock critics' reading post-9/11 meaning into pre-9/11 lyrics... are rock musicians reading meaning into 9/11.

But there is meaning in 9/11 (obv. more for Americans), and if you pretend there isn't the terrorists have already etc. And doesn't Jackson's "I don't know politics but I know God" (paraphrase) scare the shit out of you? Isn't the point of S-K's (overt) 9/11 songs that we have to question our human/religious authorities, that no matter how morally or aesthetically uncomfortable it makes us, now's the time to bring the noise? (Hasn't this always been the point of S-K?)

B:Rad (Brad), Friday, 13 September 2002 01:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Rilly? that sucks. Try this one: http://www.moribundman.co.uk/Bush.html

Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 13 September 2002 01:30 (twenty-three years ago)

If S-K actually brought the noise, perhaps.

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 13 September 2002 02:44 (twenty-three years ago)

From metafilter: the S-11 redux vid. (17 mb.) It even samples Primal Scream.

bnw (bnw), Friday, 13 September 2002 04:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Contrary to reports above, Iron Flag is an excellent album - dark, messy, funky and funny.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 13 September 2002 07:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree with Tom - Iron Flag is fantastic.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 13 September 2002 08:10 (twenty-three years ago)

It's also hardly at all about 9/11, with the exception of "Rules"

Tom (Groke), Friday, 13 September 2002 08:13 (twenty-three years ago)

four months pass...
I'm giving this thredd the oxygen of revival, for the simple reason that Chris Morris has released "Bushwhacked II" as a free mp3 download on the Warp website.

I've put a link on my blog - make haste!

Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

"rock musicians lack the humility common to country acts"

Uh... what? This claim makes no sense to me.

I vote for hip-hop's response being the most interesting - definitely the most varied and the most humanistic.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

NonfuckinPhixion

(as in, their post 9/11 material is phenomenal)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)


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