T/S Ms. Dynamite vs. MC Kinky

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uh .. question says it all

― phil jones (interstar), Tuesday, 10 September 2002 18:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Kinky, because I was so pissed off with Dynamite's album. The cover - Ms D amid decaying wharfes out at sea, like the Isle of Grain by night or what the Docklands might have looked like after the empire collapsed but before the yuppies came in, a hidden London that the Huntsman and the Norfolk Windmill would have been proud to evoke - suggested an urban (in the true sense) masterpiece, something that would extend the themes of the So Solid axis' videos into sound, as grim as steel, as though the middle classes had never claimed any part of the city, the Brotherhood's "London the dungeon" writ large.

The actual album, however, was as weak as Gravesend / Tilbury piss.

― robin carmody, Thursday, 12 September 2002 01:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Aaah, now here's a thing - this thread sort of connects to one I put up the other day but which seems to have disappeared - the one about Tara Newley's "Breathing Is E-Z" - wasn't MC Kinky part of the E-Z Posse? Rave family tree please...

― Charlie (Charlie), Thursday, 12 September 2002 02:14 (twenty-three years ago)

but miss d IS middle class

― bob zemko (bob), Thursday, 12 September 2002 09:16 (twenty-three years ago)

'everything starts with an e' e-z posse feat mc kinky. i'd like mc kinky to be btter but she is fucking toss. on that tune anyway, although its a prettycool tune. if you want to see how good dynamite is as an mc, you need to listen to the tunes she has featured on done by garage producers ie 'boo' and the new one 'ramp' by sounds of da future, which is the same but more beeps and very good.
wasnt the e-z posse in fact jeremy healy? he seems to be credited on my copy...

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 12 September 2002 13:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Ambrose is dead right about Ms Dynamite, as it happens. I just can't tolerate an album that looks like that sounding like ***that***

― robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 12 September 2002 16:47 (twenty-three years ago)

but miss d IS middle class

No, because then her family wouldn't vibe until the morning light. They'd probably go to a production of Titus Andronicus instead.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 12 September 2002 16:50 (twenty-three years ago)

sounds like a slightly outmoded idea of "middle class" to me, Dom

― robin carmody (robin carmody), Friday, 13 September 2002 01:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Everybody's middle class. Even the working classes. It's Tony's vision. End of...

― Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 13 September 2002 01:54 (twenty-three years ago)

The Sinclairesque cover analogy was, ahem, evoked on my review of A Little Deeper on CoM on 4/9. Not sure whether it is particularly desirable to expect black musicians to conform to how WE want them to sound; you were never going to get the 2-step equivalent to "Halber Mensch" nor "Elementalz 2" for that matter, but there are at least half a dozen fine POP tracks on there amidst all the tonite-Matthew-can-I-be-Lauryn-Hill stuff.

Probably only "Countryman" by Skitz has got this particular balance right so far.

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 13 September 2002 14:47 (twenty-three years ago)

sounds like a slightly outmoded idea of "middle class" to me, Dom

Yeah, you're right. Replace "Titus Andronicus" with "Arcadia".

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 September 2002 15:20 (twenty-three years ago)

dom finally starts his "middle class guilt" thread

soz marcello i am s-l-o-w today, what balance are you meaning? pop v gritty, expectation conformity v reality? elucidate pleez

― bob zemko (bob), Friday, 13 September 2002 16:58 (twenty-three years ago)

pop vs gritty

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 13 September 2002 18:25 (twenty-three years ago)

The cover... suggested an urban (in the true sense) masterpiece...

But look at the font! She may as well be wearing a t-shirt reading "I am a serious artiste".

― Mike (mratford), Saturday, 14 September 2002 16:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Marcello is right in everything he says: I was too hard on the album upthread, mainly because I'd just come back on here and, you know, I wanted *effect*.

re. Skitz, "Inner City Folk" and "The Junkyard" on the same album: yes, perfect.

Mike is also dead right about that font, I have to say.

― robin carmody (robin carmody), Saturday, 14 September 2002 21:00 (twenty-three years ago)

How could anyone dislike an album with "Krazy Krush"?

In terms of black UK pop vs gritty, I can't think of a near-perfect artist-album example apart from the Skitz (which wah wah I have lost due to the death of my computer some months back), but Plus One's Champion Sounds mix hits the mark perfectly for me (disregarding the still-quite-good drum & bass disc 2).

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 14 September 2002 23:33 (twenty-three years ago)

four months pass...

ambrose u tosser, what do u mean kinky is toss ,u freak ,clean da wax outa ya dirty ears, kinky is the original bad gal , youre talking abot a tune that was recorded in 1987, what kinda time zone you livin in old timer?
she was the first mc to do non reggae tracks, the rest just followed behind her

― mr rocklickers, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

no but theres loads of lame guitar samples all over it and there so much reverb that you cant hear a fucking thing shes saying on it. i just meant she sounded crap on that track, for that reason: i freely admit i know nothing about her otherwise.
e-e-e-eh-ecstasy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
might play that in a couple of weeks.
oh, i mean, of course, nonsense, of course

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Kinki's better on Jesus Loves You 'Generations Of Love' and her own 'Inna We Kingdom'...she was also sampled on the brilliant 'Fantasy' by Fantasy UFO

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

u didnt talk about the "live" actually,guitars , u said she was toss,so your not talking about her performanceor delivery, youre talking about the production on the track, fool - get it right, she was about 18 when she recorded that, you think she still sounds the same or is even called that...
u might ve thought she sounded crap on that track ,so thats what u shouldve said , nuff copies sold - not bad for a track with no media hype behind it ,no radio play no mtv tec - unlike ms d.
where do u play then ,that u could play such an old tune ,that u think sounds shit,make ur mind up schizo !

― mr rocklicker, Thursday, 30 January 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

does anyone remeber ms dynamite's performances whilst presenting on the tv programme, FLAVA (before she blew up!).

MALAKA

― bdlrooney, Thursday, 30 January 2003 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

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