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― adam (adam), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)
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― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 05:00 (twenty-one years ago)
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― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 29 August 2003 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)
mmmmmmn, granularity.
― etc, Friday, 5 March 2004 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Philippe (Philippe), Friday, 5 March 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)
If it doesn't have all these Ada tracks everyone keeps talking about I will cry.
As I said on my blog the other day, I pulled out Bis Neun again recently and was shocked to remember how great it sounded, esp. the Metope tracks!
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 8 March 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)
my picks of the recent material: basteroid's "sympathy for disruption" (both sides), metope's "discordant", ada's "arriba amoeba", the a1 and b1 on basteroid's "against luftwiderstand"
― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)
why has the dmx krew / drexciya electronerd axis ignored this stuff?? they seem to associate it with labels like playhouse, i think it's coming from somewhere else entirely. far to the left of kompakt or klang, in terms of sheer techiness.
― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)
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― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― Omar (Omar), Thursday, 25 March 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)
Date of Release: 19th of April 2004
. . . this on slsk yet?
― etc, Wednesday, 31 March 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)
You people...
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 1 April 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― etc, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 05:20 (twenty-one years ago)
I can't find the strength to get excited about threads on here about labels that release 12" singles, and then only get active when the label releases a compilation CD.
― ___ (___), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 07:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― etc, Monday, 7 June 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)
I have Rabimmelblahblah but I haven't listened to it yet.
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)
(ok this doesn't really hold up more than a little way into the track. now it's more SET YO BODY FREE SET YO BODY FREE &c&c&c)
(ok now it's back to how it was originally!)
― etc, Monday, 7 June 2004 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)
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― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)
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― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 17:12 (twenty years ago)
― Sam Benson (Sam Benson), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 17:14 (twenty years ago)
― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 18:32 (twenty years ago)
YEAH!!!!
(just got "2r2r2r2bb")
― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago)
― fe7 (FE7), Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:32 (nineteen years ago)
― fe7 (FE7), Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:41 (nineteen years ago)
i still dont really like their artwork though
― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 19 August 2005 02:27 (nineteen years ago)
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 19 August 2005 02:45 (nineteen years ago)
And I'm a huge fan of Commodore 64 music (it was my first music love as a ten year old)
So, I guess this is why I like them.
And I'll certainly be enjoying myself tonight!
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:57 (nineteen years ago)
Has she milked the cows too heavily so that she had been catapulted into another dimension?"
= brilliant / out-kompakting kompakt descriptoramas...
― natedey, Friday, 19 August 2005 17:01 (nineteen years ago)
"You wake up on the sidewalk, having absorbed some gravel into the sides of your cheeks...."
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 19 August 2005 17:28 (nineteen years ago)
― petlover, Friday, 19 August 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago)
or "you wake up on the sidewalk from a failed attempt to milk it..."
not x-post:http://www.areal-records.com/
they have samples of all the records they've released...it's definitely worth checking out.
― natedey, Friday, 19 August 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago)
― mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 19 August 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago)
It's always seemed that way whenever I've downloaded tidbits before... am I missing a huge amount not getting a compilation/mix at the same time as I order 'Blondie'?
Which I am going to have to import via the Kompakt store (way overdue, but can't find it online anywhere else in the UK).
― fandango (fandango), Friday, 19 August 2005 18:40 (nineteen years ago)
I don't think any of the rest of the Areal stuff sounds like Ada. Bis Neunzehn is worth a punt.
― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Friday, 19 August 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago)
Maybe there's one I haven't tried... but ordering from Kompakt isn't really that much hassle. I can get a few other things while I'm there which I've not been able to find either. They may throw in stickers!
― fandango (fandango), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:29 (nineteen years ago)
If you're looking for more Ada-esque musik (who said Abba-esque?), might I suggest you Triple R's Friends mix disc a spin (or six)? For I, for one (an apparent minority), think Blondie's weak tracks outnumber its strong tracks at a rate of 3:1.
As far as representative of Areal's sound, I would mos-definitely pick up 2Rabimmel... first (and if you like and/or love it work backward through Bis Neunzehn and Bis Neun). After many (car, iPod, home stereo) listens, 2Rabimmel... sounds more and more like a wholly coherent, single artist album than any compilation I've heard in a long time. It's amazing how like-minded the work of the Areal collective appears. And I mean that in a good way. A very, very good way.
― Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Saturday, 20 August 2005 01:46 (nineteen years ago)
With Ada's two noteworthy tracks adding balance to the thick crunch of her labelmates' work product, of course.
― Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Saturday, 20 August 2005 01:58 (nineteen years ago)
GREAT TRACKS: Eve, Cool My Fire (I'm Burning), The Red Shoes, Each & Every One, Maps
Very Good Tracks: Lifedriver, Les Danseuses, Cool My Fire
Pretty Good Track: Our Love Never Dies
Crap: Who Pays The Bill
That seems pretty good to me!
I also think both Bis Neun and Bis Neunzehn are pretty essential; I'd probably give the edge to the latter on account of the "Believer" and especially "Against Luftwiderstand".
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 20 August 2005 02:38 (nineteen years ago)
such a lovely record
― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 28 August 2005 11:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago)
Yeah I like it too - I was trying to underrate everything so as to be generous to Zimmer's assessment (and STILL five tracks came out as "great". My usual feeling is that "Eve" especially is one of the best things ever).
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 29 August 2005 03:20 (nineteen years ago)
― T. Weiss (Timmy), Monday, 29 August 2005 15:14 (nineteen years ago)
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 29 August 2005 18:23 (nineteen years ago)
Yet upon further (i.e. three more weeks of) review (and please keep in mind that outside of Blondie I blindly pledged my faith to all that is Arealism back when I first heard [how's this for irony?] Ada's "Blindhouse" on Triple R's Friends back in late '02/early '03), I'm sticking with my opinion that, overall, the album – as an album – is underwhelming.
I’ll readily concede that part of the basis for my conclusion is the fact that I have been listening to the primary (and the vast majority of compelling) elements of both "Each And Everyone (Blindhouse)" (under the guise Ada’s original version of "Blindhouse") and "Lifedriver" (under the guise of Metope’s "Lifedriver" featuring Ada) since late and early ‘02 respectively.
In short, I’d have liked to hear Ada do/release an album chock-full of previously unreleased material, particularly when given the opportunity that is a full-length. Consequently as a consequence of the incredible depth and creativity I initially heard in both of the abovementioned classic tracks, my expectations of her long-player were greater than the recycled (i.e. remixed) material she delivered. As I think I implied upthread, Ada’s contributions to the 2Rabimmel… compilation are not only necessary (i.e. give balance) to it, but also demonstrate her talent (i.e. ability) in a way that Blondie, as a whole, doesn’t.
That leaves, for me: "Eve," "Cool My Fire (I’m Burning)," and "Our Love Never Dies" as the three GREAT TRACKS; "The Red Shoes" as the lone Very Good Track; "Maps" and "Les Danseuses" as the two Pretty Good Tracks (even if the former is recycled/remixed a la albeit differently than "Blindhouse" + "Lifedriver," and I skip past the latter regularly); 3.5 recycled/remixed tracks two of which that don’t surpass the originals (the second, slowed-down, not-burning version of "Cool My Fire"? An OK outro, but…); and I can’t really add anything to the discussion of "Who Pays The Bill" that hasn’t been written already.
My scorecard then (even if I am loathe to break an album down like this) has Blondie with 3 Great, 1 Very Good, 1.5 Pretty Good (read: OK), 3.5 Recycled/Rehashed/Meh tracks and 1 Crap(per).
Perhaps I overstated my weak:strong track ratio upthread, but not by much.
― Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:50 (nineteen years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 10 September 2005 05:48 (nineteen years ago)
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 10 September 2005 06:01 (nineteen years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 10 September 2005 06:40 (nineteen years ago)
― nocure, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:00 (nineteen years ago)
not that there's anything wrong w/ this relativism (which is i guess a fancy way of saying "all our terms are subjective, duh") except i have noticed that paradoxically it seems to lead to more "groupthink" rather than less (perhaps by encouraging lazy thinking?).
― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 18:26 (nineteen years ago)
Dunno! I think the problem is not that my cod-dialectics runs up against a limit, but that it does allow for lazy thinking as you say - but then I'd say that simple oppositions of hardness/tweeness are already inviting a certain laziness. If Areal are simply a more twee version of [x], and if that tweeness is not in and of itself valuable somehow, what purpose does Areal serve?
The K-Punk-style argument here - "Areal serves the purpose of llegitimating the false consciousness of a mass of bourgeois listeners whose fantastical enjoyment is structured by tweeness" - is not, for me, sufficient; it imports a certain vision of ethical engagement with music as a deus ex machina in order to resolve the deadlock of positing in the first instance what music is supposed to do.
All I can do is attempt to explain in as accurate a manner as possible why, say, "Against Luftwiderstand" hits me so hard, when I know that it is in fact not the hardest thing ever (allowing for definitions of "hardness" - let's pretend that in this context we're talking about a certain type of sonic muscularity and harshness). This counter-intuitive perception of hardness is not only in me as much as it is in the music; we should also insist that it is in the music as much as it is in me. i.e. what it is it in the music that my subjective perspective is interlocking with?
Chalking it up to dialectics is also insufficient if I can't explain how that's actually working for me, and I guess I would say that on the level of the sound-as-I-hear-it, "Against Luftwiderstand" tends to posit a certain fragility (those big whirring trebly synths) which it then proceeds to stomp on our consume with its rollicking bassy groove...but then the fragility returns as a sort of spectral presence in the form of the astonishingly nervous acidic bass riff Basteroid intermittently deploys (it's probably hard to specify which bassline i'm actually talking about - unless you already know the one I mean we'd probably have to sit down and listen to it together so I could signpost it) - a bassline which seems to somehow symbolize a certain doubt or concern about the tune's own destructive programme (along the lines of "what am I doing?/what have I done???").
As you say, the same dialectical operation might be done in reverse for the Tresor axis you mention - I think both can be correct because, as I've argued elsewhere, the impact of music is not, I suspect, tied to some ideal implementation of certain "correct" elements (e.g. Hardness NOT Tweeness), but rather to the articulation of something that is minimally different; in the absence of absolute sonic extremism this difference will always, I think, be somewhat dialectical (and even in the case of sonic extemism, the impact of a piece of noise unlike anything we have heard for before is shaped by the fact that we are hearing it as music).
To return to the issue of the subjective perspective (and the difficulty it causes for establishing and agreeing upon terms), it might be helpful to clarify what we mean by this - for me, it is simply the "intertextual" understanding that you never arrive at a piece of music with a clean slate; you always bring with you the sum total of your listening experience (in the sense of listening to, reacting to and thinking about music).
In this sense "Against Luftwiderstand" is not merely a dialectical process in and of itself, but a point in the dialectical process of my own listening. So another way of putting your relativist definitional quandary ("this house is minimal" / "compared to what?") is "this house is minimal/minimal for whom?".
I don't think this deadlock is easily resolvable, except insofar as we can answer this question: for whom? For me. The burden of music criticism then becomes to sketch out the vantage point from which we can say "this house is minimal", the particular point which grounds our universality. I think the problems start piling on when we assume that this vantage point is itself universal, or we simply incorporate an accepted vantage point as our own (on the assumption that it is universal). This is the cause of the lazy groupthink you refer to, I suspect:
"This house is minimal"
"Compared to what?"
"Other house music"
"Okay then, minimal for whom?"
"Philip Sherburne, and thefore myself"
(with apologies to Philip!)
BTW Vahid, I love that Tarrida mix! Sadly it's another CD I have lost and now never see around! (Tragically, I recently lost a whole swag of other CDs, including Platinum Breakz 1 and 2!!!)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 00:41 (nineteen years ago)
― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 01:19 (nineteen years ago)
― Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Sunday, 16 April 2006 10:01 (nineteen years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 16 April 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)
― natedey (ndeyoung), Sunday, 16 April 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)
Anyone listen to that new Roan EP? I really like it so far: dense, funky in its way, more "experimental" than the usual Areal fare, I'd say
― Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:36 (nineteen years ago)
Listening to Bis Neun again today - time will not tarnish its amazingness. That said it's easy to forget just how monstrous Areal sounded in 2003/2004, and it seems a bit sad that the music's basic impulse is absent at the moment - is there any (good) clunky dance music at the mo? Apart from UK funky house at times obv? Am I forgetting something?
I wonder what Misc's Crunch Time album will sound like to my 2008 ears if I put it on now.
I will always love now and forever Metope's "Selvsyn", what a WTF groove.
Although still not as WTF as that weird dialectics screed I posted in this thread.
― Tim F, Thursday, 7 August 2008 07:42 (sixteen years ago)
Glancing back over it I think I did a decent job capturing what is so loveable about this music in this piece (if I do say so myself). I remember being slightly disappointed by "Sonnenbrilliant" because it seemed like Basteroid had started to confuse toughness with toughness with hardness, and ended up leapfrogging Sender Records to end up closer to Black Strobe (circa 2004) territory. Which is not a bad thing but it felt like a move away from the, erm, tough fleshiness that I associate with Areal. In Areal's robo-battles there should always be goblets of bloody, quivering flesh lying strewn through the field. That's why tracks like "Against Luftwiderstand" and "Libertango" feel oddly melancholy: these killing machines still feel pain as their parts are slowly, painfully dismembered.
― Tim F, Thursday, 7 August 2008 07:55 (sixteen years ago)
Yes grandma, I can buttertrance
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 August 2008 10:16 (sixteen years ago)
I still fucking love this label. Did anyone ever get around to checking out the AR series? AR3 is pretty good and could actually work in the context of a more contemporary set (ie stripped back not Basteroid-excessive).
― Shh! It's NOT Me!, Tuesday, 23 December 2008 08:00 (sixteen years ago)
Got this the other day - http://www.discogs.com/release/1537492 - the Koze track is great.
― Kaliova, Tuesday, 23 December 2008 09:04 (sixteen years ago)
Loving Onze's Goodbye Lino at the moment. Probably too 'Kompakty' for current tastemakers though.
― mmmm, Sunday, 13 June 2010 20:00 (fifteen years ago)
The B-side is more upbeat, the A-side is lovely.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20hEpc9G2Zo
― mmmm, Sunday, 13 June 2010 20:01 (fifteen years ago)
New LP from Areal's Ada on DJ Koze's Pampa. Nice work, features a reedit of the great tracks of the Cologne Tape thing (intro) and only two that will danceable.
― mmmm, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 09:48 (fourteen years ago)
i have great memories of seeing Ada DJ in New York several years ago at some place off Canal Street.
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 10:15 (fourteen years ago)
It's not much of follow up to 'bis neunzehn' but Areal have released 'lazerwhales' a digital only comp of recent release. It starts well with Onze.
― mmmm, Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:41 (thirteen years ago)
I had never heard Basteroid's "29 Forever" from 2006 before now but it's brilliant, maybe sleeker / more tech-house than his classic sound but it's just about up there with "Against Luftwiderstand" for me in bringing the "weep for me, I created Skynet" machine-melancholy vibes.
― Tim F, Sunday, 3 September 2017 21:17 (seven years ago)
areal is such a unique label, it's hard to slot that crunchy blippy terminator apocalypse sound into any preexisting niches. i've never heard areal records in a club
― brimstead, Sunday, 3 September 2017 21:23 (seven years ago)
clangin and bangin
― brimstead, Sunday, 3 September 2017 21:24 (seven years ago)
Yeah I talk a lot upthread about the uniqueness of their sonic attack, which maybe Metope's work captured most clearly/consistently.
― Tim F, Sunday, 3 September 2017 21:26 (seven years ago)