24 party people acoustic blue monday

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well not acoustic exactly... but does anyone out there know where u can get a copy of the great version of blue monday from 24 hour party people?? in the film, the scene comes when ian curtis has just died, and there's this great shot of new order practicing in warehouse space, just bernard with a guitar and the chick with the synth. you can hear the words, it's cool - i've kinda hunted for an mp3 but got nowhere.

― stevie k, Wednesday, 11 September 2002 23:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Pretty sure that's just john sim (the fella wot plays barney) dicking about on a guitar, as opposed to anything new order actually did themselves. he's in a real actual band, don'tcha know...called Magic Alice or something.

― Charlie (Charlie), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 23:05 (twenty-three years ago)

There's a New Order guitar song book with the chords, so you can pretty much play your own unplugged version, which is quite a bit of fun actually (three easy chords).

New Order get such short shrift in that otherwise tanfastic film. Barney comes across as so staid, whereas I've heard he could out-Hoover Shaun Ryder any day (nb- all those stories about him high on acid with the lab-coat during recordings).

As for John Sims, I thought he was terrific, except for his singing part... a little over-emotive.

When the DVD comes out, if you have a dvd-rom drive, you can use Total Recorder to grab the bit from the film.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 12 September 2002 04:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Damn, I still need to see the film, but i don't see films.

All New Order songs are fundamentally very easy to play on guitar. Probably cause Barney, bless him, was such a crap guitarist. They're invariably three chords, with loads of chattering computers and unholy bass. Being guitar player in New Order must be the easiest job in the world, ever.

And I love him for it!

― kate, Thursday, 12 September 2002 08:20 (twenty-three years ago)

it was clearly faked, but very clever - summing up their transition from Joy Division to dance, which actually took an album and several singles - in a single few moments. It wouldn't suprise me at all if they had some early demos of Blue Monday that sounded very much like that: certainly some of the early New Order sessions do.

But I don't think the guitar playing in Joy Division was crap - based on an amateur's understanding, like Hooky's bass, but just as brilliant in its way. I always assumed barney was contributing something else to the noisegroove of New order.

― jon (jon), Thursday, 12 September 2002 08:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, it was brilliant because it WAS so crap. That was the point. It was visceral and emotional, but it was also technically crap. Like most of the best guitarists. It's not that bad a solo. It's pretty together.

I remember the day that it clicked how rubbish a guitarist Barney is, and why that made him brilliant. The typical distinctive NO chicka-chicka-chicka guitar sound. We were listening to New Order's cover of Sister Ray, and suddenly Barney breaks into it, and we realise that he's trying to do the Velvet Underground chicka-ching-ching-chicka-ching-ching but he totally fails. But his take on it was so unique that it was interesting in and of itself.

― kate, Thursday, 12 September 2002 08:31 (twenty-three years ago)

good point. I shall go and have a listen. I wonder if the lead guitar as 'chugging rythm' noise that is the riff of both 'Sound of Music' (JD) and 'Age of Consent' (NO) is Barney or Mr Hook... both have distinctive hooky basslines, so I guess Barney. Can't get more 'amateur genius doing what you shoulnd't' than that...

Now you mention it, the only bits of conventional 'lead guitar' playing I think are brilliant that come to mind are Shadowplay and Transmission. But they are astonishing.

Damn, I'll have to wait till I get home.

― jon (jon), Thursday, 12 September 2002 10:13 (twenty-three years ago)

**Now you mention it, the only bits of conventional 'lead guitar' playing I think are brilliant that come to mind are Shadowplay and Transmission. But they are astonishing**

Some of the early stuff has conventional wannabe Stooges riffery/solos - Novelty/Warsaw/Failures/Walked in Line etc. Also the VERY early Warsaw stuff - Gutz/The Kill/At A Later Date/You're No Good For Me/Inside the Line.

**I wonder if the lead guitar as 'chugging rythm' noise that is the riff of both 'Sound of Music' (JD) and 'Age of Consent' (NO) is Barney or Mr Hook... both have distinctive hooky basslines, so I guess Barney**

Hooky does the guitar on the first one, Barney on AOC.

I like Barney's guitar playing very much. He had a great live sound - listen to the Les Bains Douches/Amsterdam CD - Shadowplay especially.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 12 September 2002 11:55 (twenty-three years ago)

He may be crap but who didn't cheer inside when that guitar came in on "Out of Control".

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 September 2002 12:55 (twenty-three years ago)

The solo on "Ice Age" is super fuckin' cool.

― Bryan, Friday, 13 September 2002 03:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Littlejohnnyjewel you are the king. Out of control gives me the shivers and when the guitar comes in i just *melt*.

Bollocks to all this "Barney's a shit guitarist" rubbish - that's just precious muso crap, no? I've never played guitar in my life and I think He rocks.

― Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 13 September 2002 03:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Say so!

And of course, there's guitar all over hte early stuf. But it's interesting how fast it develops so you no longer notice a 'lead guitar' in the conventional sense by the time of Closer.

And talking of barney live, I have a Paradiso Amsterdam tape of Insight that blows the socks of any other version of it, and has a guitar break at the end that is truly INSPIRED!

― jon (jon), Friday, 13 September 2002 08:25 (twenty-three years ago)

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