Songs About Terrible Events

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There are a few threads about 9/11 songs, but I have a more general question. Have you ever:

1) Thought about some terrible or catastrophic event differently after hearing a song about it?

2) Recognized a familar idea, emotion or sensation related to your own thoughts about a terrible event in a song about said event.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 13 September 2002 02:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm asking because no song has come close to offering me anything of value about 9/11. All I can think when I hear a song that refereces the day is, "Here is a song about 9/11." I don't get deeper than that. I haven't heard that Springsteen album yet, though.

I thought of "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald," but then I realzied my entire perception of that tragedy was shaped by Gordon Lightfoot's song, so that doesn't count.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 13 September 2002 03:01 (twenty-three years ago)

"And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" by The Pogues had a huge effect on me when I was about 11. I had no idea where/what Gallipoli was, but the imagery was so harsh, relentless and drained of all hope that it was impossible not to react on an emotional level.

Now those who were living did their best to survive
In that mad world of blood, death and fire
And for seven long weeks I kept myself alive
While the corpses around me piled higher
Then a big Turkish shell knocked me arse over tit
And when I woke up in my hospital bed
And saw what it had done, Christ I wished I was dead
Never knew there were worse things than dying

It's the last line that gets me. The song made me do lots of unnecessary homework about Australia's input to WW2. Not sure it's all that realiable tho, being as Shane McGowan's an English public schoolboy not a former ANZAC...

Apart from that, the only disaster-related song (does WW2 count as a disaster? I think so) I ever encountered directly was the dreadful Ferry Aid version of "Let It Be" - and it made me think of nothing other than "what a nice tune - who wrote it?". Sorry.

Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 13 September 2002 03:06 (twenty-three years ago)

the dead flag blues

the car's on fire and there's no driver at the wheel
and the sewers are all muddied with a thousand lonely suicides
and a dark wind blows
the government is corrupt
and we're on so many drugs
with the radio on and the curtains drawn

we're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine
and the machine is bleeding to death

the sun has fallen down
and the billboards are all leering
and the flags are all dead at the top of their poles

it went like this:

the buildings tumbled in on themselves
mothers clutching babies picked through the rubble
and pulled out their hair

the skyline was beautiful on fire
all twisted metal stretching upwards
everything washed in a thin orange haze

i said: "kiss me, you're beautiful --
these are truly the last days"

you grabbed my hand and we fell into it like a daydream or a fever

we woke up one morning and fell a little further down --
for sure it's the valley of death

i open up my wallet and it's full of blood

efrim

Band godspeed you black emperor!
Album f#a#oo
Year 1998

autovac, Friday, 13 September 2002 03:20 (twenty-three years ago)

That's pretty funny!

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 13 September 2002 04:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Enslaved "793 (The Battle Of Lindisfarne)"

Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Friday, 13 September 2002 06:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm no great Elvis C fan, but both Shipbuilding and Pills and Soap made me feel differently about the Falklkands and Thatcher respectively. Nothing dramatic, but definately new perspectives.

Shipbuilding in particular: writing about a war from the point of view of those whose jobs are saved because of it is an extraordinary shift of perspective. Those lines 'within weeks they'll be reopening the shipyard/and notifying the next of kin' make me go all goosebump just typing them out.

And some of the 'proufounder' bits of punk definately
1( articulated Things I Know to Be True but hadn't defined yet
2( made me think new things about them. Subway Sect are one of the only bands who actually make me think. joy Division have been a real help (I mean this) in moments of depression: Heart and Soul and Insight both show the world in a new and wiser light.

And I've learnt not only to understand but to have some empathy with black politics in general and rasta in particular through Soul/Hip Hop and Reggae.

As I write I realise just how much of my worldview and thinking about events has been changed/formed by music. I know this isn't OTN of your question but its relevant because this implies music can be something much more active than the passive reflection of emotion we are taught to expect from it.

jon (jon), Friday, 13 September 2002 07:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Gallipoli was in the first world war.

I'm struggling to think of songs I know about terrible events... I feel there is a big one lurking out there just beyond my memory.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 13 September 2002 09:51 (twenty-three years ago)

gallipoli, but june tabor's decade-earlier version (baroque old-school folk with sepia-tinged synth) (which actually does play waltzing matilda v.slow in the fade-out)

it was written in the 20s, i think, so where shane pogue went to school needn't be a factor in its historical reliability

mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 September 2002 10:42 (twenty-three years ago)

It was written in the 70s by Eric Bogle, he also wrote 'Green Fields of France' covered by The Men the Couldn't hang and 'My Youngest Son Cam Home Today' covered by Billy Bragg.

Sandy Blair, Friday, 13 September 2002 10:48 (twenty-three years ago)

oops, so it was (i used to know that, even, cz i always liked the name "bogle")

mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 September 2002 10:53 (twenty-three years ago)

The Battle of Evermore

Brian Mowrey (Brian Mowrey), Friday, 13 September 2002 11:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Seriously, I doubt songs ever used to be made about terrible events. My first reaction whenever it was that this 9-11-song thing started (was it Neil Young?) was 'oh my god what do you think you're doing?! That's not for music!'

There are probably reasons for this. Fiction never has any power unless it is focused on individuals, as was pointed out to me by a negative review of that new star wars movie. A song or story cannot hold anything so broad as the emotion involved in a tragedy, it can only succeed in being About that tragedy. I like the I Hate Music criticism of What's Going On: it points out that the album's only real message is that bad things are bad. If a 9-11 song focuses on an individual aspect of the thing, than it could be moving, but then what's the point of the 9-11 connection?

Also, in the past, when bad things happened, people went to war. Today, we don't go to war, we write songs. You may say this is not a bad thing but it is certainly true. And that is what is wrong with these songs, anyway. The whole idea that famous people are supposed to be the country's guidance-councelors, and offer understanding and hope. It is as vain a desire as has inspired any bad concept-album.

Yet it occurs to me that poems have been about terrible events, I think. There were some Keats ones, right? So, are songs poems or fiction? And are poems good?

Brian Mowrey (Brian Mowrey), Friday, 13 September 2002 11:52 (twenty-three years ago)

in the past, when bad things happened, people went to war. Today, we don't go to war, we write songs.
What, did I miss the outbreak of world peace? How much different are current events from any other war in history? Soldiers go to war, artists write songs about war/peace, depending on their views. As valid today as it was two thousand years ago...

Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Friday, 13 September 2002 12:39 (twenty-three years ago)

New York Mining Disaster 1941.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 13 September 2002 12:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I didnt say we have peace. My point was that if the Al Queda had attacked in the 40's, guess what the headline would have been. 'War.' Today we are much more reflective: and I only offered that this bastardizes music.

Brian Mowrey (Brian Mowrey), Friday, 13 September 2002 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Bogle Dance by Chakademus was a tribute to Eric.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 13 September 2002 13:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Hold on Brian. The headline on the paper I saw was "A Declaration Of War", and the US found a state that it held responsible and went to war there. What part of the response did I miss?

Sinead O Connor put out a single about the Potato Famine.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 13 September 2002 13:27 (twenty-three years ago)

The Night Chicago Died by Paper Lace?

uuuugggghhhhnnnn


Seriously, though.

Ohio by Neil Young and Presidential Rag by Arlo Guthrie where he grills the Nixon Adminstration for Watergate.

¥

christoff (christoff), Friday, 13 September 2002 13:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks for responses -- I'm sorta interested in how these songs about events affect w/ your own feelings about the event, if you have a sec.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 13 September 2002 13:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Sure,

Arlo's Presidential Rag communicates a more palpable disgust for their corruption than "the history" could ever illustrate. It makes me feel a real hatred instead of the complacency typically reflected upon mere political posturing. ¥

christoff (christoff), Friday, 13 September 2002 13:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't really recall that many songs that have *changed* or even influenced my views on a certain event- mostly they just re-inforce my views, make them less abstract and intelectual and more emotional and awestruck. Good examples of this would be "We Almost Lost Detroid" by Gill Scott-Heron, "Roulette" by Bruce Springsteen (I know, I know, I wasn't even born when those events ocurred, but nuclear power remains an issue anyway, no?) and "War Crimes" by The Specials.

And Mark, as a hardcore Springsteen follower, I feel I must warn you: only purchase that album if you're a REALLY big fan. There's a few catchy tunes and a stirring line here and there, but mostly it's Modern Rock by the numbers (this might have something to do with it being almost "rush released" by Boss standards) and the lyrics, while true, are also so obvious it hurts: "man that 9/11 was a terrible thing, I bet the ppl who lost their loved ones in it are really sad but still we gotta keep on keeping on and above all don't let hatred take over 'cos really, there's a lot of great stuff in Islamic culture". I mean, he'll get no argument from me, but isn't this all, err, common knowedlege by now?

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 13 September 2002 13:53 (twenty-three years ago)

i think it's Yeats rather than Keats you're thinking of.

lou reed insisted on the cover of 'new york' that you sat and listened to the whole thing "as though it were a book or a movie".

it wasn't though, it was a record. so we shrugged and listened to our favourite songs and skipped over the rubbish ones. especially bloody 'strawman'.

adam b (adam b), Friday, 13 September 2002 13:55 (twenty-three years ago)

oh no!! i listened to it as if it was a book!! OH NO!!

mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 September 2002 14:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I enjoy listening to Lou Reed' "Magic & Loss" as if it was a toaster.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 13 September 2002 14:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I listen to U-Roy as if he was a toaster.

*cough*

*shuffles away in shame*

adam b (adam b), Friday, 13 September 2002 14:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Fine if I am too uninformed to a illustrate a really obvious point, about how much more restrained we were than we would have been, I will no longer involve myself in politics. My apologies.

Brian Mowrey (Brian Mowrey), Friday, 13 September 2002 15:47 (twenty-three years ago)

The main two that come to mind are "Ohio" (Kent State) and "For What It's Worth" (LA "riot"). I did a piece about those, McCartney's "Freedom" and Neil Young's "Let's Roll" for Flakmag.com last year.

Yancey (ystrickler), Friday, 13 September 2002 16:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Ya'll forgot SYMM by the Manic Street Preachers, which is about the collapse of some stadium that killed a bunch of people.

"South Yorkshire / Mass Murderer!! / How do you sleep at niiiiight!!"

This is truly one of the worst songs ever written.

Rahul Kamath (Rahul Kamath), Friday, 13 September 2002 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

The Manics' three Holocaust songs on 'The Holy Bible' also qualify. They did not make me think about the Holocaust any differently, or even think about it at all.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 13 September 2002 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't believe no one's mentioned Joni/CSNY's "Woodstock" yet...

mike a, Friday, 13 September 2002 18:13 (twenty-three years ago)

aye

Brian Mowrey (Brian Mowrey), Friday, 13 September 2002 18:39 (twenty-three years ago)

shipbuilding is probably the one which effects me the most.
as a teenage punk many of my thoughts and opinions were influenced by the music and I've probably got a song somewhere in my record collection about any mild injustice ever chronicled in history.
one track I keep going back to in the wake of 9/11 is "hurry hurry before it happens again" by the lapse which was recorded a year before and has nothing to do with mass terrorism but the final line "...and when it fell, the dust covered everything" makes my spine tingle. especially when I see footage on the TV

simon 803, Friday, 13 September 2002 20:13 (twenty-three years ago)

16 years old when I went to war,
To fight for a land fit for heroes,
God on my side,and a gun in my hand,
Counting my days down to zero,
And I marched and I fought and I bled
And I died & I never did get any older,
But I knew at the time, That a year in the line,
Is a long enough life for a soldier,
We all volunteered,
And we wrote down our names,
And we added two years to our ages,
Eager for life and ahead of the game,
Ready for history's pages,
And we fought and we brawled
And we whored 'til we stood,
Ten thousand shoulder to shoulder,
A thirst for the Hun,
We were food for the gun,and that's
What you are when you're soldiers,
I heard my friend cry,
And he sank to his knees,coughing blood
As he screamed for his mother
And I tell by his, side,
And that's how we died,
Clinging like kids to each other,
And I lay in the mud
And the guts and the blood,
And I wept as his body grew colder,
And I called for my mother
And she never came,
Though it wasn't my fault
And I wasn't to blame,
The day not half over
And ten thousand slain,and now
There's nobody remembers our names Í
And that's how it is for a soldier.

Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Friday, 13 September 2002 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)

mike a: Aw, c'mon, Woodstock wasn't a terrible event- it had Sly and The Who! Now, Woodstock 2 and 3 on the other hand...

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 13 September 2002 20:58 (twenty-three years ago)

the Holocaust songs on The Holy Bible aren't meant to give any insight into the Holocaust, though, they just show what kind of mental state Richey was in at that time that trying to get away from his more solipsist moments led to thinking of things like this; that is, it might not offer anyone more insight into the holocaust, but it might offer such to someone about depression.

I end up trying to find out more about things after hearing songs about them, I think, rather than songs really changing opinions on their own; I bought the Malcolm X autobiography after listening to Public Enemy a lot (i am horribly white); I think also I looked up De Saussure after listening-but-not-paying-much-attention to the Magnetic Fields track about him, thinking he was some kind of doomed Romantic poet figure..

thom west (thom w), Saturday, 14 September 2002 23:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Y'all forgot this one.

Peace Frog - The Doors

someguy, Sunday, 15 September 2002 06:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Two from the Eighties -- (a) The Ramones' "Bonzo Goes to Bitburg," about Ronnie Raygun's official visit to a cemetery full of Nazis; and (b) Bruce Cockburn's "If I Had a Rocket Launcher," written from the perspective of a Central American whose village was terrorized by Ronnie Raygun's "Freedom Fighters."

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 16 September 2002 06:57 (twenty-three years ago)

"Ted, Just Admit It" by Jane's Addiction -- about serial killer Ted Bundy's spree.

"Death Valley `69" by Sonic Youth -- about Charlie Manson's "Family."

"Ballarat" by Lemonheads - Also about the Manson Murders.

"The Ghost in You" by Siouxsie & the Banshees off SUPERSTITION -- supposedly about the stand-off for democracy in Tianemen Square.

"Big Mess" by Devo -- supposedly about assasins Mark David Chapman and John Hinkley.

"Riot in Tompkins Square" by the Undead -- about the `89 riots in...wait for it...Tompinks Square Park.

"She" by the Misfits -- About Patti Hearst & the Symbionese Liberation Army.

"Bullet" by the Misfits -- About the assasination of Prez. Kennedy ("Texas is the Reason....")

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 16 September 2002 12:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Rolling Stones, "Claudine"
Kinky Friedman, "Ballad of Charles Whitman"
btw did the notorious "Free Myra Hindley" actually exist?

dave q, Monday, 16 September 2002 12:36 (twenty-three years ago)


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