1) Thought about some terrible or catastrophic event differently after hearing a song about it?
2) Recognized a familar idea, emotion or sensation related to your own thoughts about a terrible event in a song about said event.
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 13 September 2002 02:55 (twenty-three years ago)
I thought of "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald," but then I realzied my entire perception of that tragedy was shaped by Gordon Lightfoot's song, so that doesn't count.
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 13 September 2002 03:01 (twenty-three years ago)
Now those who were living did their best to surviveIn that mad world of blood, death and fireAnd for seven long weeks I kept myself aliveWhile the corpses around me piled higherThen a big Turkish shell knocked me arse over titAnd when I woke up in my hospital bedAnd saw what it had done, Christ I wished I was deadNever knew there were worse things than dying
It's the last line that gets me. The song made me do lots of unnecessary homework about Australia's input to WW2. Not sure it's all that realiable tho, being as Shane McGowan's an English public schoolboy not a former ANZAC...
Apart from that, the only disaster-related song (does WW2 count as a disaster? I think so) I ever encountered directly was the dreadful Ferry Aid version of "Let It Be" - and it made me think of nothing other than "what a nice tune - who wrote it?". Sorry.
― Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 13 September 2002 03:06 (twenty-three years ago)
the car's on fire and there's no driver at the wheeland the sewers are all muddied with a thousand lonely suicidesand a dark wind blowsthe government is corruptand we're on so many drugswith the radio on and the curtains drawn
we're trapped in the belly of this horrible machineand the machine is bleeding to death
the sun has fallen downand the billboards are all leeringand the flags are all dead at the top of their poles
it went like this:
the buildings tumbled in on themselvesmothers clutching babies picked through the rubbleand pulled out their hair
the skyline was beautiful on fireall twisted metal stretching upwardseverything washed in a thin orange haze
i said: "kiss me, you're beautiful --these are truly the last days"
you grabbed my hand and we fell into it like a daydream or a fever
we woke up one morning and fell a little further down --for sure it's the valley of death
i open up my wallet and it's full of blood
efrim
Band godspeed you black emperor!Album f#a#ooYear 1998
― autovac, Friday, 13 September 2002 03:20 (twenty-three years ago)
― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 13 September 2002 04:27 (twenty-three years ago)
― Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Friday, 13 September 2002 06:52 (twenty-three years ago)
Shipbuilding in particular: writing about a war from the point of view of those whose jobs are saved because of it is an extraordinary shift of perspective. Those lines 'within weeks they'll be reopening the shipyard/and notifying the next of kin' make me go all goosebump just typing them out.
And some of the 'proufounder' bits of punk definately 1( articulated Things I Know to Be True but hadn't defined yet2( made me think new things about them. Subway Sect are one of the only bands who actually make me think. joy Division have been a real help (I mean this) in moments of depression: Heart and Soul and Insight both show the world in a new and wiser light.
And I've learnt not only to understand but to have some empathy with black politics in general and rasta in particular through Soul/Hip Hop and Reggae.
As I write I realise just how much of my worldview and thinking about events has been changed/formed by music. I know this isn't OTN of your question but its relevant because this implies music can be something much more active than the passive reflection of emotion we are taught to expect from it.
― jon (jon), Friday, 13 September 2002 07:51 (twenty-three years ago)
I'm struggling to think of songs I know about terrible events... I feel there is a big one lurking out there just beyond my memory.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 13 September 2002 09:51 (twenty-three years ago)
it was written in the 20s, i think, so where shane pogue went to school needn't be a factor in its historical reliability
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 September 2002 10:42 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sandy Blair, Friday, 13 September 2002 10:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 September 2002 10:53 (twenty-three years ago)
― Brian Mowrey (Brian Mowrey), Friday, 13 September 2002 11:41 (twenty-three years ago)
There are probably reasons for this. Fiction never has any power unless it is focused on individuals, as was pointed out to me by a negative review of that new star wars movie. A song or story cannot hold anything so broad as the emotion involved in a tragedy, it can only succeed in being About that tragedy. I like the I Hate Music criticism of What's Going On: it points out that the album's only real message is that bad things are bad. If a 9-11 song focuses on an individual aspect of the thing, than it could be moving, but then what's the point of the 9-11 connection?
Also, in the past, when bad things happened, people went to war. Today, we don't go to war, we write songs. You may say this is not a bad thing but it is certainly true. And that is what is wrong with these songs, anyway. The whole idea that famous people are supposed to be the country's guidance-councelors, and offer understanding and hope. It is as vain a desire as has inspired any bad concept-album.
Yet it occurs to me that poems have been about terrible events, I think. There were some Keats ones, right? So, are songs poems or fiction? And are poems good?
― Brian Mowrey (Brian Mowrey), Friday, 13 September 2002 11:52 (twenty-three years ago)
― Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Friday, 13 September 2002 12:39 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 13 September 2002 12:49 (twenty-three years ago)
― Brian Mowrey (Brian Mowrey), Friday, 13 September 2002 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tim (Tim), Friday, 13 September 2002 13:02 (twenty-three years ago)
Sinead O Connor put out a single about the Potato Famine.
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 13 September 2002 13:27 (twenty-three years ago)
uuuugggghhhhnnnn
Seriously, though.
Ohio by Neil Young and Presidential Rag by Arlo Guthrie where he grills the Nixon Adminstration for Watergate.
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― christoff (christoff), Friday, 13 September 2002 13:33 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 13 September 2002 13:40 (twenty-three years ago)
Arlo's Presidential Rag communicates a more palpable disgust for their corruption than "the history" could ever illustrate. It makes me feel a real hatred instead of the complacency typically reflected upon mere political posturing. ¥
― christoff (christoff), Friday, 13 September 2002 13:49 (twenty-three years ago)
I can't really recall that many songs that have *changed* or even influenced my views on a certain event- mostly they just re-inforce my views, make them less abstract and intelectual and more emotional and awestruck. Good examples of this would be "We Almost Lost Detroid" by Gill Scott-Heron, "Roulette" by Bruce Springsteen (I know, I know, I wasn't even born when those events ocurred, but nuclear power remains an issue anyway, no?) and "War Crimes" by The Specials.
And Mark, as a hardcore Springsteen follower, I feel I must warn you: only purchase that album if you're a REALLY big fan. There's a few catchy tunes and a stirring line here and there, but mostly it's Modern Rock by the numbers (this might have something to do with it being almost "rush released" by Boss standards) and the lyrics, while true, are also so obvious it hurts: "man that 9/11 was a terrible thing, I bet the ppl who lost their loved ones in it are really sad but still we gotta keep on keeping on and above all don't let hatred take over 'cos really, there's a lot of great stuff in Islamic culture". I mean, he'll get no argument from me, but isn't this all, err, common knowedlege by now?
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 13 September 2002 13:53 (twenty-three years ago)
lou reed insisted on the cover of 'new york' that you sat and listened to the whole thing "as though it were a book or a movie".
it wasn't though, it was a record. so we shrugged and listened to our favourite songs and skipped over the rubbish ones. especially bloody 'strawman'.
― adam b (adam b), Friday, 13 September 2002 13:55 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 September 2002 14:37 (twenty-three years ago)
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 13 September 2002 14:46 (twenty-three years ago)
*cough*
*shuffles away in shame*
― adam b (adam b), Friday, 13 September 2002 14:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― Brian Mowrey (Brian Mowrey), Friday, 13 September 2002 15:47 (twenty-three years ago)
― Yancey (ystrickler), Friday, 13 September 2002 16:06 (twenty-three years ago)
This is truly one of the worst songs ever written.
― Rahul Kamath (Rahul Kamath), Friday, 13 September 2002 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 13 September 2002 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)
― mike a, Friday, 13 September 2002 18:13 (twenty-three years ago)
― Brian Mowrey (Brian Mowrey), Friday, 13 September 2002 18:39 (twenty-three years ago)
― simon 803, Friday, 13 September 2002 20:13 (twenty-three years ago)
― Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Friday, 13 September 2002 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 13 September 2002 20:58 (twenty-three years ago)
I end up trying to find out more about things after hearing songs about them, I think, rather than songs really changing opinions on their own; I bought the Malcolm X autobiography after listening to Public Enemy a lot (i am horribly white); I think also I looked up De Saussure after listening-but-not-paying-much-attention to the Magnetic Fields track about him, thinking he was some kind of doomed Romantic poet figure..
― thom west (thom w), Saturday, 14 September 2002 23:39 (twenty-three years ago)
Peace Frog - The Doors
― someguy, Sunday, 15 September 2002 06:42 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 16 September 2002 06:57 (twenty-three years ago)
"Death Valley `69" by Sonic Youth -- about Charlie Manson's "Family."
"Ballarat" by Lemonheads - Also about the Manson Murders.
"The Ghost in You" by Siouxsie & the Banshees off SUPERSTITION -- supposedly about the stand-off for democracy in Tianemen Square.
"Big Mess" by Devo -- supposedly about assasins Mark David Chapman and John Hinkley.
"Riot in Tompkins Square" by the Undead -- about the `89 riots in...wait for it...Tompinks Square Park.
"She" by the Misfits -- About Patti Hearst & the Symbionese Liberation Army.
"Bullet" by the Misfits -- About the assasination of Prez. Kennedy ("Texas is the Reason....")
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 16 September 2002 12:25 (twenty-three years ago)
― dave q, Monday, 16 September 2002 12:36 (twenty-three years ago)