Ben Kweller S/D

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Who is he? Heard good things about him but...details please!

Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 13 September 2002 03:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Destroy him. Please.

wl, Friday, 13 September 2002 04:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Why, Wayne? He's thoughtfully playing some records made by other people at a club in my vicinity this evening - did he spill your bird?

Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 13 September 2002 04:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Search the song 'Lizzy'.. haven't heard much else but im sure destroying his live rendition of Ice Ice Baby would be a good idea, not that i've heard it.

james devon, Friday, 13 September 2002 04:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Ice Ice Baby played on acoustic guitar? Ah c'mon, that's gotta be worth one listen! Then systematic destruction, obv. No room for ironic hip-hop covers in the post Eels/Missy age eh?

Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 13 September 2002 04:53 (twenty-three years ago)

in spite of myself i completely adore "Falling". pretty standard piano-driven pop but devestatingly effective.

Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 September 2002 05:29 (twenty-three years ago)

He was pretty nifty when I saw him supporting the Mulls. not quite nifty enough for me to get his album, but never mind...

Mr Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 13 September 2002 13:41 (twenty-three years ago)

a capable pantomimist. if nothing else, "sha sha" is an incredibly systematic synthesis of weezer, wilco, even dando and ben folds. each song directly cribs from any of these four sources leaving very little room for self.

nonetheless, i enjoy parts of the album. i have hope b/c even in spite of the blatant mimickry he's a solid songwriter. also: he's very young and his best/more daring albums are obv ahead of him

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 13 September 2002 13:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I just find his third-generation-Weezer thing totally lame. It's not totally inoffensive in and of itself, but I'm more than a little put off by the way he's insinuated himself into the sort of "indie"/"underground" pop community. It all seems like a marketing campaign. I mean he was doing fucking grunge before, for Chrissakes, during the glut of STP ripoff bands. Just seems like blatant and content-free trend-chasing.

And I'm usually not so militant about things, I just hate having shitty music so aggressively pushed upon me, as I feel is that case with Mr. Sha-Sha.

wl, Friday, 13 September 2002 16:27 (twenty-three years ago)

"not totally offensive," rather.

wl, Friday, 13 September 2002 16:31 (twenty-three years ago)

It all seems like a marketing campaign. I mean he was doing fucking grunge before, for Chrissakes, during the glut of STP ripoff bands.

he's a kid, wayne.

perish the thought that anyone should make the same music they did when they were fifteen!

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 13 September 2002 16:51 (twenty-three years ago)

It seemed trendoid, opportunistic, and marketing-driven when he was 15. It seems the same now. More power to you if you dig his shit, pity me for my blind spot.

wl, Friday, 13 September 2002 16:59 (twenty-three years ago)

His record cover is enough to warrant destruction.

IMHO.

g.cannon (gcannon), Friday, 13 September 2002 17:01 (twenty-three years ago)

It seemed trendoid, opportunistic, and marketing-driven when he was 15. It seems the same now. More power to you if you dig his shit, pity me for my blind spot.

most fifteen year olds ARE trendoids though!

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 13 September 2002 17:02 (twenty-three years ago)

And...? I'm not itching for a fight on this. I just have the whole marketing hangup. Kweller's not getting Strokes-Hives-Stripes-Interpol level hype or whatever, but the kudos still far outpace the goods on display as far as my ears hear things.

But like I said, if his stuff is your speed, enjoy.

wl, Friday, 13 September 2002 17:07 (twenty-three years ago)

" just find his third-generation-Weezer thing totally lame"

This is probably the best description of his context, but Sha-Sha (the song, not the album) is enjoyable...but as you go further, it only goes downhill, and you'll run into his "I'm Only Sleeping" rip-off in the end.

Joe aka PappaWheelie, Saturday, 14 September 2002 06:27 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
.. He'd gone farily well ignored in my household until last week when he played on Craig Kilbourne .. So, from one song - sounded a bit mmmmm like it might get old fast .. but the song he did sounded like the Modern Lovers a bit to me (like a She Cracked ...)

So curious whether 1½ years later, the reviews would be different ...

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 17 May 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

five years pass...

I'm revisiting "Sundress" right this minute and really enjoying it. The new country record really left me cold, but there's something undeniable about his clean-cut, well-crafted approach to pop and I've found at least a handful of tracks to love on all of his previous releases.

3 mods 1 banhammer (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 7 August 2009 04:18 (sixteen years ago)

There is nothing worse in the world that people who move to Austin and then start making "country" music.

Austin yuppie country is the worst music ever. I can get with some low down honky tonk stuff, but I can't stand the polite stuff aimed squarely at college graduates. I would rather listen to blatantly commercial Nashville records, at least they are honest about what they are doing.

your original display name is still visible (Display Name), Friday, 7 August 2009 04:58 (sixteen years ago)

I'm not going to disagree with that at all, I've always hated the trend of singer-songwriters "going country" when the well runs dry. But, in Kweller's defense, he did live in Texas for most of his childhood and there has been a tinge of country running through a lot of his work ("Family Tree" off Sha Sha for instance). None of that means that his country record isn't ass, even if he is slightly more legit in approaching country than your average transplanted hipster kid.

3 mods 1 banhammer (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 7 August 2009 13:45 (sixteen years ago)

Austin yuppie country is the worst music ever. I can get with some low down honky tonk stuff, but I can't stand the polite stuff aimed squarely at college graduates.

What artists are you thinking of (besides Kweller, evidently)?

deep olives (Euler), Friday, 7 August 2009 13:49 (sixteen years ago)

The lukewarm stuff I hear on KGSR and KUT when I flip through Austin radio stations. I honestly don't care enough about the stuff to really tell you who is rotten. If you live in town you will know exactly what I am talking about. Singer-songwriters who listen to too much Gram Parsons and not enough Hank Williams. The kind of people who think country music needs to be elevated to "literature".

As far Austin stuff I do like; I watched Redd Volkaert and Dale Watson play good shows. Bear and the Essentials played some good shows but they sound pretty old school. I am not a huge country fan, so I haven't dug very hard to find the good stuff that happens in small bars. Ginny's Little Longhorn had some great bands come though.

your original display name is still visible (Display Name), Saturday, 8 August 2009 00:43 (sixteen years ago)

I was just curious; I haven't lived in south Texas for almost a decade and a half (!), and so I wanted to see if I knew any of the artists you're criticizing. Austin has a weird scene, where there are artists big there that don't get much exposure elsewhere; I'm thinking of Lou Ann Barton and Marcia Ball for instance, but these are from a long time ago.

deep olives (Euler), Saturday, 8 August 2009 13:17 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

So his new record is pretty good! Glad he decided to not stick with that country detour, he's back to straight-up, punchy power pop.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 February 2012 21:31 (thirteen years ago)

I admit to indifference but this revival is amusingly timed: last night I was relistening to Wig in a Box, the Hedwig and the Angry Inch tribute album he's on -- he does a version of "Wicked Little Town" with Ben Lee and Ben Folds (do you see) and he sings lead vocals. My girlfriend, a massive fan of the play and movie versions, came in, heard that, wondered who was singing and proceeded to excoriate Mr. Kweller completely. As she is a massive country nut I figure if I told her he 'went country' earlier she might want to hunt him down.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 February 2012 22:15 (thirteen years ago)

I had no idea of the existence of that track, that thing with all the Bens sounds truly awful. I'll admit the guy's voice isn't the best, but I think it works well when he's in power-pop mode.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 February 2012 23:01 (thirteen years ago)

that thing with all the Bens sounds truly awful.

It doesn't help at all that the final two songs on the album right after it are Cyndi Lauper and the Minus 5 absolutely killing "Midnight Radio" in all its Bowie-glam-anthem-styled glory and Jonathan Richman reworking "The Origins of Love" into something brilliant and in his own style. Makes Kweller and company seem like the world's worst undercard.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 February 2012 23:07 (thirteen years ago)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/kitbrash/recordcovers/The_Bens_-_The_Bens_EP.jpg

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Saturday, 11 February 2012 02:21 (thirteen years ago)

eleven years pass...

Sad news

https://consequence.net/2023/02/ben-kweller-son-dead/

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 28 February 2023 20:38 (two years ago)

Ugh. Awful, awful, awful.

I opened this link earlier expecting a little kid, not a 16-year-old. Turns out Kweller isn't 24 anymore like he is in my mind.

alpine static, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 21:00 (two years ago)

two years pass...

The right writer for the right moment.

https://www.vulture.com/article/ben-kweller-cover-the-mirrors-profile.html

Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 May 2025 17:24 (four months ago)

I'm afraid to read that, Jayson's book was devastating.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 May 2025 17:36 (four months ago)


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