long ago and far away: o.g. p4k best of the 90s poll (100-51)

1. dots and loops
2. aeroplane over the sea

so many good albums on here.

but i went with "dot s and loop s" by stereolab. because come on look

i was 18 years old.

i was an 18-year-old college sophomore and that was a turning point

that was a time when i could read "underworld" by don delillo and
profess it my favorite novel. of all time.

not just a cool book i read around 1997.

but my favorite novel of all time.

same goes with "dots and loops." i listened to it at a vegan diner in kalamazoo, mich.,
in the late '90s, and i claimed that ppl needed to shut up b/c it was the best album ever.

so that is what i voted for.

peace out.

iatee my man. let's live in an urban environment and take public transportation and listen to "dots and loops."

and wear corduroy.

its cool of you to reproduce some of the original blurbs for the list thanx

dots and loops is so good

fuck the haters seriously

no prob lamp, that is literally what i am here for.

"DJ Shadow is so good. I once milked the family cow while listening to 'Midnight in a Perfect World' and it was a transcendent experience! LOL."
--Chris Dahlen, Pitchforkmedia.com

Went with Morphine.

Nirvana and I hate you pitchfork. Go fork yourself

incisive criticism, captainlorax.

lorax it's important to note that everyone who wrote for pfork back then is like 60 or dead, now it's just some ilx people

there are a lot of albums here i really like, only a small few i feel real nostalgia for and about a little over a quarter that ive never heard in my life but i think my own pox would be:

throwing muses - the real ramona
laika - silver apples of the moon
aphex twin - selected ambient works vol. 2
portishead - dummy
nirvana - in utero
lilys - eccsame the photon band
massive attack - mezzanine
belle & sebastian - if you're feeling sinister
stereolab - transient random noise bursts with announcements
spinanes - manos

how good is that laika album right

I dunno if there is Stereolab haters?

I hate NMH but not actively

Young Ryan was the only good thing about p4k because his reviews were a laughing stock. Well a lot of those early reviews were

lamp, man

oh gawd just say it

schreibs + mark richardson + jason josephes + brent dicrescenzo

Walt Mink, easy

+jason nickey + spencer owen + matt lemay

+ kristin sage rockermann

whiney i will paypal you like two bucks for you to give a top ten w/ comments rn

p4k was established enough in 2003 for me to hate them on a professional level. Plus someone has to say p4k sucks in every other pitchfork thread or else people might get it in their mind that p4k doesn't suck and we can't have that

u guys like to bake cookies or...

how good is that laika album right

so good!! i am listening to it right now and drinking

whiney i will paypal you like two bucks for you to give a top ten w/ comments rn

― goya.fr (Lamp), Saturday, January 14, 2012 1:17 AM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i can't even find 10 albums i like in this mayonnaise shitshow

lol

"where is the public enemy and the helmet, i ask"

i will always stan for laika, tho their second album is the better imo. still, this track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYtbnRzuGgg

seriously, put like ONE SINGLE rap album from the 90s on this list and I would be automatic top ten, and i'm talkin like even Me Phi Me

really? i think i sometimes confuse you and some dude but dont you fuck with like superchunk and jawbreaker and shit? and none of the lol 'electronica' stuff either?

seriously, put like ONE SINGLE rap album from the 90s on this list and I would be automatic top ten, and i'm talkin like even Me Phi Me

sucks that 'code red' was @ #50 i guess

lol me phi me, i totally owned that album via the bmg music club. (other "free" selections: tlc "crazysexycool" and sounds of blackness "the evolution of gospel")

liking superchunk and jawbreaker def ain't me

u are a complicated dude, aren't u?

POX
pale saints - comforts of madness
morphine - cure for pain
blur - park life
primal scream - screamadelica
stereolab - transient random noise bursts with announcements
his name is alive - mouth by mouth
super furry animals - radiator
tortoise - millions now living will never die
portishead - dummy
laika - silver apples of the moon

top 10, no commentary

1. tom waits - bone machine
2. tom waits - mule variations
3. nirvana - in utero
4. aphex twin - selected ambient works vol. 2
5. morphine - cure for pain
6. portishead - portishead
7. tortoise - millions now living will never die
8. r.e.m. - automatic for the people
9. amon tobin - permutation
10. soul coughing - ruby vroom
10.

lol tortoise???? i havent heard those tom waits records or soul coughing.

thought for sure you wouldve rep'd for like fugazi and con art and underworld

real time thoughts on that list:

1 and 2:
Tom Waits, who cares, it's all pots-and-pans billy-goat-gruff bullshit

3. Nirvana,

yeah cool, I had a crush on the sensitive poetess when i was a high-school sophomore, too

4. Aphex Twin:

ok, vol. 2 -- you are deep into that new-age sensory-deprivation tank stuff, huh

5. morphine: cure for pain:

in a day when the baritone sax could be an answer to a problem

have you ever thought 90s:horns:00s:strings? think about it. i bet you'll like what you find.

6. portishead - portishead

worthy, man, worthy. i listened to this while reading much of "the scarlet letter."

7. tortoise - millions now living...

okay, now i feel like you are just buttering me up. <3

8. r.e.m. - automatic for the ppl

right. kind of reality bites i am a serious dude in the early '90s album.

9. amon tobin permutation

i know i've heard this dude's stuff. in like a stylish chicago apartment ca. 1998

10. soul coughing - ruby vroom

word to that. an impeccable album. saskatoon is in the room.

i know i've heard this dude's stuff. in like a stylish chicago apartment ca. 1998

haha

i will probably be the only on who votes for Pale Saints The Comforts of Madness

where did Giants Steps place or did it?

Giants Giant Steps

Is this a list of flannel shirts?

about three albums on this list mean anything to me

voting portishead's s/t

these were not my 1990s

Um. That is not Selected Ambient Works Vol 2.

That is Selected Ambient Works 85-92.

There's a ~world~ of difference between those two albums.

Lex you should check out Laika! You would love them.

A Series of Sneaks easily. Then Screamadelica.

i like laika, i don't have that album but i have their best-of and sounds of the satellites. on this list i'm attached to them, portishead, massive attack, tom waits, no one else - overall it's just a collection of acts i never liked then and don't care about, and i hate that this was the formative music for so many tastemakers nowadays

where we pretend its holland, 1945

dude at least you have a gf, i'd fuck a corpse if i could

I love the idea of time-travelling and putting a bullet in Jeff Magnum's head but I'd settle with cutting out his vocal cords and making him eat them

Who are the two people that voted for Smart Went Crazy?

― Evan, Friday, January 20, 2012 12:39 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think i was one. gonna go hear the new Beauty Pill album this weekend!

are you trying to unseat al ships as the most unenthusiastic music fan or? you just said you liked it a lot!

― tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Friday, January 20, 2012 1:42 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

::shakes fist:: really though i like the NMH album but given the way people treat it now i can't blame anyone for downplaying their enjoyment of it

"Holland 1945" is one of my favorite songs of all time but I don't really like the rest of the album (see also: "Blue line Swinger" and Electr-o-pura)

Oh wait YLT's not on this list?

high five, fellow Modest Mousers!

*high five*

:( @ Neutral Milk Hotel

primal scream - screamadelica 0

otm

Not even higher than the sunny day real estate

wtf I voted for Miss Happiness, I'm sure of it

Good for you. I saw Walt Mink once!

No voes for Screamadelica!

voes -- or votes!

the other day, while listening to some awful, sub-beirut horseshit and looking at birds
put on things in a discount design store

― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 20 January 2012 06:39 (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

??

lol, images of winged animals decorating trinkets, a portlandia reference

"put a bird on it"

so not big bottom birds?

yeah i'm guessing if you could vote for three albums that Screamadelica would get a ton of votes but I don't see it being someone's #1 out of any of this

i'm kind of shocked the NMH album is even on the list, I would assume p4k would have listed it top ten for sure. I too am surprised that people still like that album!

unfortunately, no

xp

those birds would have been putting things on

records on this list i have not heard

067 stereolab - transient random noise bursts with announcements 8
090 stereolab - dots and loops 4
080 lilys - eccsame the photon band 3
065 modest mouse - lonesome crowded west 3
092 pale saints - comforts of madness 3
099 con art - smart went crazy 2
054 spoon - a series of sneaks 2
063 amon tobin - permutation 2
083 throwing muses - the real ramona 2
086 morphine - cure for pain 2
068 polvo - exploded drawing 1
051 laika - silver apples of the moon 1
094 phish - billy breathes 1
089 spinanes - manos 1
076 sunny day real estate - diary 1
081 hum - downward is heavenward 1
072 uncle tupelo - anodyne 1
098 mk ultra - the dream is over 0
053 his name is alive - mouth by mouth 0
059 12 rods - split personalities 0
084 superchunk - no pocky for kitty 0
062 walt mink - miss happiness 0

tbf i might have heard those stereolab albums, i don't know how i'd tell

I spent most of the summer of '98 blasting Permutation as I drove the streets of DC, that album fucking owns:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-K63rp7YJ8

records on this list i have not heard [long list of albums]

yeah i think part of the reason this section of the list in particular fascinates me is cuz i havent heard i think 26 of the albums listed. its like this whole and coherent idea of an other 90s

Walt Mink was the fucking bomb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnl4ZtUQfeI

yeah i think part of the reason this section of the list in particular fascinates me is cuz i havent heard i think 26 of the albums listed. its like this whole and coherent idea of an other 90s

I've actually only heard 12 of the albums on the list, so yeah, that definitely wasn't my 90s. But I was a techno/dance/rap enthusiast back then (and still am), and that list is about as far from the dancefloor aesthetic as you can get. Even the handful of electronic and hip-hop albums they chose are ones you can't dance to.

I think the biggest difference of aesthetics between people who listen to music like this, and the dancefloor people like me, doesn't lie in some genre distinctions but in the movement of the hip. These people might dig the occasional record you can label as "dance", and there's also indie rock you can dance to, but the sort of dance their favourite records induces is jumping up and down, not twisting you hip to them. Go to an indie disco and you see 20 different styles of jumping to the music, but rarely a sensuous hip movement. That's why their favourite types of electronic music are either fast and abrasive pogo electro, or chin-stroke-encouraging home listening techno. Rarely, if ever, do you see stuff like dancefloor r'n'b or deep house or dancehall reggae on these lists, because they're all about the hips.

http://data.whicdn.com/images/14859937/tumblr_lron0xBi1c1qe3dodo1_500_thumb.jpg

Love your post Tuomas <3

tuomas's post was like a sensuous hip bowel movement

At least it was sensuous!

That it was indeed, and not without truth either!

Well yeah, hips don't lie.

I spent most of the summer of '98 blasting Permutation as I drove the streets of DC, that album fucking owns

ha one of the weird things about this and the next list is going "huh americans really went through a phase of liking amon tobin"

no slur meant on you, it's just odd. in my head at least the british cultural position on that stuff was more like DEATH TO FALSE BREAKBEAT

i kind of randomly stumbled into amon tobin being my electronic artist of choice a year or two before finding pitchfork so their love of AT was always very "yeah! right on!" to me

i mean i think he's actually pretty good! but he's sort of the figure standing for that whole movement i think? i don't really care about the d'n'b wars of the 90s anymore though. also i am eating a cheesestring right now so, you know, ~taste~ and ~culture~

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/m/morphine/album-cure-for-pain.jpg

okay i really like this album it turns out, i'm guessing at some point in the past few years that became embarrassing for me?

also a thing on this list: record covers in the 90s could be really bad and apparently it didn't matter

Whatever

album cover design was definitely at its nadir in the 90s

woulda voted Uncle Tupelo over REM over Superchunk

2 Blur albums?

his name is alive: the M. Ward of the 90s

shouldn't be ashamed for liking cure for pain

the dicriscenzo-era blur worship is straight up hilarious to me; i didn't even think it was possible for more than one american to care that much about that stupid band that much until i found ilm

Missed this one. Would have voted Aphex.

shouldn't be ashamed for liking cure for pain

― owenf, Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:20 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm

I don't get the M Ward comparison, does he really genre-hop or use weird production much? The stuff I heard is just like boring guitar rock with violins n stuff

Would have voted Lonesome Crowded West (I even started a thread about it! Modest Mouse: The POLLsome Crowded West) - a real sprawling barnstormer of everything I ever liked about what I thought "indie rock" meant circa 2001. Great fucking record.

Lots of other good things here, or damned good, or alternately things about which I can't really be objective because I played them possibly dozens of times a week for months between 1995 and 2000 (Ruby Vroom, Automatic, In Utero...). As with the top 50 there's a few things I've just straight up never heard of before and am kinda curious about - the song linked up thread makes this Walt Mink person (band?) sound pretty appealing for one...also: The Lilys? 12 Rods? 6ths? Spinanes? Pale Saints? Con Art? Are these bands I should check out? Is Hum worth checking out further if I like "Green To Me"?

http://fuckyournoguchicoffeetable.tumblr.com/

FYNGTOTM

except i like a lot of those things

basically i like saying "fuck you" to things i like

i feel that it absolves me of inadequacy by shifting the burden of my failure onto the less evolved

fuck you contenderizer