Would you buy music from artist who was a convicted killer?

exclusively

*Lil BOOSIE

I think in some ways the fact that the artist is a murderer would make me more interested in listening to their music. I could never stan for them, and would probably only listen to their music only once or twice, but I'm very interested in art made in an unusual context. Varg is obviously the classic example of this for me. It's kinda an anthropological curiosity.

Leadbelly, maybe; Varg, no.

i have no problem with this (especially if it's lil boosie)

when you say 'this', do you mean murder?

also do you have to buy the music from them?

no, i mean listening to the music of a convicted murderer

i probably wouldn't buy the music though tbh

what if theyve never been convicted but they totally murder dudes on the reg

but that's more because i don't buy much music in general

what if they only murder naughty children, so many questions

I would buy the album but then I would save someone's life to make up for it

murdering dudes on the reg is not cool but i'd still listen to their music if its good

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Gesualdo3.jpg/220px-Gesualdo3.jpg

This guy wasn't convicted but a murdering psycho nonetheless

what if they killed a lady and ate her internal organs (big lurch)

i don't think i've listened to big lurch before, is he any good?

(big lunch)

i am probably the one millionth person to make that joke huh

'An eyewitness reported that, when Singleton was picked up by police, he was naked, covered in blood, standing in the middle of the street and screaming at the sky. A medical examination performed shortly after his capture found human flesh in his stomach that was not his own.'

i mean, yeah hes good

My answer is pretty much yes all the way, if the music is something I enjoy. Unless maybe the lyrics are "Emily, I'm going to kill your family, hahahahaaaaaa". But usually the murder isn't going to be reflected in the music in any way, so why not buy it?

My answer may well turn to 'no' if it was a racially aggravated murder or murder and sexual assault, but then it would be the other elements I'd have the problem with. But even then, the question becomes easier if the artist themselves is dead.

Was actually listening to Boosie youtube mix when I clicked on this thread so - yes, if the musics good

Jim Gordon, who played drums on "Layla" (and wrote the piano coda) and "Apache" killed his mother in 1983.

We've done this before I think? Or maybe just listed murderous musicians.

(mental note to no longer enjoy the coda of layla)

It's mother-murderingly sappy.

"Layla" wasn't his first choice of title for it.

Mind keeps going back to the genius of Kit Ream.

The story of All That I Am was chronicled in appropriately unsubstantiated fashion by Jello Biafra in the book Incredibly Strange Music Vol. II:

The most deranged 'rich person do-it-yourself' album is All That I Am by KIT REAM, heir to the Nabisco cookie fortune. According to someone who knew him, he dropped tons of acid in the '60's and wound up in a mental hospital where he spent six months staring at his own reflection in a mirror. Eventually the acid wore off, he was deemed "cured" and let loose in society, whereupon he decided to become a guru and make a record.

Scuttlebutt on the internet suggests that Kit later forswore his meds, killed a man on his father's yacht and eventually retired to the suburbs of San Diego. It's a shame that a man may have died for Kit's art, but what an art it is.

download vargs music dont pay for it (im pretty sure the reason ppl wont buy vargs stuff is not because hes an unrepentant murdering scumbag but because hes an unrepentant racist nazi loving scumbag)

I saw a Bzm CD in Oxfam.

Didn't bother.

Pretty sure my Fang CD is 2nd hand

I'm a fan of Noir Desir (and Vybz Kartel to some degree) but i'd stop short of paying money for their records.

Claudine Longet got away with it, iirc, so she's fine with me.

Bought an X-Raided cd in high school.

more like slayla

First answer hall.

You know, I think it's terrible. I like some of Claudine Longet's stuff. Joe Meek is another one. I feel bad about it.

I wouldn't be caught dead with a Manson album. I did get some mp3s because I wanted to hear them.

I don't think any of those people are geniuses, but I wouldn't buy something that sucked just because they were nuts. Although maybe some people are psychology buffs.

What about Spector?

yeah jim gordon played on pretty much everything for a long time

skip spence tried didn't he

I have in the past and would do so again, so yes

^ blues and rap fan obviously

i look forward to shakeys poll of top 50 albums by murderers

"They'd played a Fillmore East gig without me, and Skippy took off with some black witch afterward who fed him full of acid. It was like that scene in The Doors movie. He thought he was the anti-Christ. He tried to chop down the hotel room door with a fire axe to kill Don (Stevenson) to save him from himself. He went up to the 52nd floor of the CBS building where they had to wrestle him to the ground. And Rubinson pressed charges against him. They took him to The Tombs (and then to Bellevue) and that's where he wrote Oar. When he got out of there, he cut that album in Nashville. And that was the end of his career. They shot him full of Thorazine for six months. They just take you out of the game."

Housemartins' drummer:

"In 1993, Whitaker was convicted of assault after attacking his former business partner James Hewitt with an axe, and firebombing his house after Hewitt had seemingly cheated him. He served 5 years in prison."

Skip started off as a drummer too, come to think of it!

^ blues and rap fan obviously

country too

honestly not sure which genre has the most convicted killers in it, wouldn't be surprised if it was rock n roll tbh

dubstep

beofre he kills you I hear that skrillex whispers "wub wub" in your left ear

Though ruled accidental, Keith Moon was found to have run over his chauffeur/bodyguard Neil Boland in 1970. But Boland's daughter says Moon wasn't driving.

Wait, what charges were The Killers brought up on?

That Boland story is sad and then I found out Kim, herself, died in a car accident

man, that jim gordon story

"As far as getting back to anything I was doing before 1981, it's pretty grim," he says wearily. For a flickering moment, he brightens. "Unless... what I'd like to do is get in some kind of touring situation, maybe contribute a little bit with my writing."

And then, he adds meekly: "I'd still like to play with Eric."

Wait, what charges were The Killers brought up on?

― Quand le déshonneur est public, il faut que la vengeance soit (Michael White), Tuesday, January 31, 2012 5:20 PM (32 minutes ago)

Making shit records. There was plenty of evidence.

beofre he kills you I hear that skrillex whispers "wub wub" in your left ear

Amazing.

lag00n mvp of this thread so far

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i bought the GNR album with the Charles Manson cover on it, does that count?

I wouldn't be caught dead with a Manson album.

all the proceeds go to his victims' families!

unless your problem is that the music isn't very good, in which case, fair point.

why do they call you a garbage dump?

I figured it went to victim's families. I've been to people's apartments and seen the LP in context. That's too badass for me. That scary face with the word "LIE". It's not something I want to be reminded of.

The music isn't very scary, though.

if they were convicted of killing dan bejar i would buy their album to demonstrate my wholehearted support for their cause

what if he committed suicide tho

i'd content myself with cheering inside

dan is a really nice guy & makes better conversation than most ppl I know so w/e stickin my tongue out @ u the lex

tell him to make another kaputt

me being me I want him to make another Thief

i know many nice people who are good conversationists who should never ever try to make music (and to their credit, they don't)

kinda movin the goalposts there the lex

dan bejar could commit every atrocity known to man and 'kaputt' would counterbalance those trangressions w/a mellow and ingratiating musical rejoinder.

Lex ruined thread o fuk how do I spin earth superman style

MAYHEM!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayhem_(band)

Varg is a dick

a mellow and ingratiating musical rejoinder

lol @/w omar

Leadbelly, maybe; Varg, no.

― Brad C., Tuesday, January 31, 2012 7:22 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My answer may well turn to 'no' if it was a racially aggravated murder or murder and sexual assault, but then it would be the other elements I'd have the problem with. But even then, the question becomes easier if the artist themselves is dead.

― emil.y, Tuesday, January 31, 2012 7:30 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkit's sort of funny that we can be more troubled by artists' ideological transgressions than by the idea that they might have, you know, killed people. makes sense because toxic ideologies are more likely to spread as a result of repetition and endorsement than plain old crazy murder, but still a little o_O

oops

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8tThgfUNWWs/SHqVq8Si8JI/AAAAAAAAADg/L7VI6tgmJ2M/s320/41PKP6QJWAL._SS400_.jpg

Yeah, probably, if the music was super awesome. I'm not expecting anyone who'd make music I'd consider to be super awesome to kill anyone, though.

Yeah, I own records that were made by convicted killers (though I bought them before it came to light, or before I was aware of it) so in practice, it's "If the music is good, yes."

There are definitely crimes that will cause me to stop buying or supporting an artist - though, for me it's finding out that someone is rapist or that someone is a wife-beater - obviously those are personal for me, and it's as much a condemnation of *what it means* as the act. That I do think there is a difference between someone getting in a fight and killing someone vs a calculated act of gendered violence.

Some of those choices have been quite hard, like "shit, I don't want to have to lose that artist's work, why'd he have to turn out to be one of the bad ones?" but when it's someone that it's pretty much cast their entire personality into question, that makes me wonder about mine own judgement in selecting to be a fan of that artist in the first place.

Not that I can only listen to artists whose views I find politically agreeable - in fact there are some artists where part of the appeal is that I find their politics/lifestyle/whatever so gross that it's fascinating. I think the fascination with Brian Jones definitely draws on this - this guy is a documented wifebeater - and yet, he's dead, his work is a historical artifact from a different time, when these things were viewed differently, and seeing how society's views have changed and not changed is part of my fascination with the guy. Because on the face of it, there's not that much difference between Brian Jones and Chris Brown, yet I condemn one and am utterly fascinated with the other? If Brian Jones were musically active now, and behaving like he behaved now, I would be disgusted with him and organising boycotts, but as a historical event, it does hold a fascination.

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I felt really weird about not wanting to listen to Pyrexia anymore after their frontman murdered those three dudes in Virginia a month ago. I guess it's harder to deal w/ when it happens less than a week after the Pulse incident and you're already sick of those "sovereign free men" assholes.

Was never a fan, but yeah, I can't imagine wanting to listen to Shute bellow angrily so soon after the fact. Generally, though, I'm less bothered by art made by people who've done terrible things than art that expresses* hateful ideology.

* or seems to represent by proxy, in the case of "apolitical" bands