fall out boy - folie à deux poll

i kind of have no idea which one to vote for

and yet i also know it's "(coffee's for closers)"

anyway best pop-rock record of however many years

the high pts are v high, few clunkers but yeah

coffees for closers vs headfirst slide vs what a catch

holy shit crunch, i was searching for a folie a deux poll today cuz i thought i had made one a while back

man i have been jamming this album this week, what a weird coincidence

ANYWAY

1. the (shipped) gold standard
2. what a catch donnie
3. disloyal order of water buffaloes
4. headirst slide into cooperstown on a bad bet
5. w.a.m.s.

the back half of this album is kinda cool

"w.a.m.s." has that slick production and stump doing that weird blues thing at the end, "20 dollar nosebleed" is a cool horns & piano pop song, and there's the one that's kinda hair metal-y?

this album really rules... trying to think of any rock band in the past 5 or 6 years that has put out two consecutive albums as good as 'infinity on high' and this one -- i could think of a few that might come close

huh yeah id thought i remembered one before too but idk

yeah i still play these songs A LOT

also, it's just weird but like the ~concept~ of folie a deux has been in my mind for a few months ever since i've seen this http://youtu.be/Euy6vE5VsMQ - i just think it's cool these guys (prob solely pat stump?) knew it was a thing or w/e

this album really rules... trying to think of any rock band in the past 5 or 6 years that has put out two consecutive albums as good as 'infinity on high' and this one -- i could think of a few that might come close

― J0rdan S., Friday, February 3, 2012 9:49 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

gaslight anthem?

enh

"20 dollar nosebleed" is a cool horns & piano pop song

which sort of launches from the style of panic at the disco's pretty. odd / brendan urie guests on that particular track. kind of a neat synergistic fbr moment

gaslight anthem?

― tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Friday, February 3, 2012 9:56 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

my list would be like... titus andronicus, against me, los campesinos...

i sorta miss all the metaness of 'infinity on high' but there's a lot of lyrical passages on this album that i find genuinely affecting, which is kinda weird seeing as they were written by freakin pete wentz

also identify with lots of the self-mocking here... like "you can only blame your problems on the world for so long / before it all becomes the same old song" is often hard to listen to

something abt the lyric 'that time my dad called me a horseshoe crab' or w/e it is is a huge block for me in that song

i've learned that ppl my age get really weirded out when they learn that you're super into recent fall out boy records

it's "caught me a horeshoe crab"

yeah "my dad caught me a horseshoe crab / and i asked if throwing it in the sea would bring our luck back"

also wentz really comes into his own as a lyric writer on this record. i love all the lyrics of "disloyal order"

Little girl, you got me staring odd
Or was that just a telescopic camera nod

hah that i thought it was 'called me a horseshoe crab' all these yrs, im an idiot

paranoid pete wentz unable to disassociate his relationships from celebrity > pete wentz who hates his girlfriend, definitely, much as i love take this to your grave

never the same person when i go to sleep
as when i wake up
as when i wake up

god this record

i have a thing for "tiffany blews"

"Coffee's for Closers" is really good (although I wish it were actually about Glengarry Glen Ross!). Is the whole album that good? I enjoyed From Under the Cork Tree but haven't kept up with anything since. "This Ain't a Scene..." kind of turned me off.

"Headfirst Slide..." is my favourite but I love basically everything on this album.

anyway best pop-rock record of however many years

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, February 4, 2012 2:42 AM

^^

Have to rep for "West Coast Smoker"'s thwomping bassline, mix of choral flourishes, hardcore snarl, and Debbie Harry's rasp - "Oh hell yes / I'm a nervous wreck / The drugs just make me reset"; it's probably that or "The (Shipped) Gold Standard" for me. Love "I Don't Care"'s repurposing that line from Nirvana's "Drain You" into a T-Rex style glam stomp.

Why did this album fail commercially / on the radio - bad choice of singles, moment passing, or ...? My editor & I repped really hard for this, but it seemed nobody heard it compared to Cork Tree/Infinity On High.

lyrical passages on this album that i find genuinely affecting, which is kinda weird seeing as they were written by freakin pete wentz

i find them almost more affecting because they were written by freakin pete wentz? the dude's a part-time punchline and he has this finely finely honed ability to capture these moments of being trapped in the tangle of your emotions and your reason and your behaviour and your justifications, and the consciousness of absurdity saves it from being just self-pity.

Why did this album fail commercially / on the radio - bad choice of singles, moment passing, or ...?

there is something dense and close about this album which makes it almost off-putting? 'cork tree' is so light and airy by comparison. but mostly i think it was moment-passing stuff: something else has taken that spot, of being popularly disrespected* and highly beloved.

* you can't even say 'critically underloved' bcz there are people like Maura Johnston etc who've consistently repped, but there is a general alt-rock consensus that this stuff isn't worthy of respect, and that reputation has lasted while the massive crowd of kids who loved it despite have dwindled or moved on.

I get the feeling that e.g. the last MCR album did better than Folie? No evidence to back this up though. I'd just assumed the large generational cohort behind the popularity of their prior two albums would have seen them comfortably coast decent numbers for Folie (cf this Nitsuh column), but no dice.

(ps: DJP to thread! I remember you enjoying Patrick Stump's solo work - did you dip back into FoB?)

Hm, I still think "Coffee's for Closers" is the best thing on here but there's some good stuff. Not sure what to make of the production or some of the stylistic fusions.

Also, this doesn't seem to suggest that this was exactly a commercial failure, at least in the US, although it marked a drop from the sales of the previous albums:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folie_à_Deux_(album)#Weekly_charts

Cork Tree went 2x platinum, Infinity went 1x platinum, and this went gold.

(Re drop in sales, I'm guessing other people agreed with me about this:

Not sure what to make of the production or some of the stylistic fusions.)

it was a total failure commercially, yeah. if you look at the chart performance of the singles, i feel like there's a really clear arc of them doing well on rock radio, then pop radio too, then rock radio kind of abandoning them as 'too pop' and pop radio moving shortly after, so they went from crossover stars to not particularly welcome on either side of the gap in record time.

but yes, amazing album, still listen to it all the time. will have to think about my vote.

"20 dollar nosebleed" is a cool horns & piano pop song

which sort of launches from the style of panic at the disco's pretty. odd / brendan urie guests on that particular track. kind of a neat synergistic fbr moment

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Friday, February 3, 2012 10:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

btw this is bull, it's in the exact same style as the (also great) last song on Infinity, fuck PATD anyway

dude pretty. odd is awesome but okay

i mean yeah that last song on infinity had horns and shit, i just feel "20 dollar nose bleed" way more inhabits a beatles-esque pop thing, a mode that panic were also working in at the time

i just don't want to give PATD credit for anything, h8 them always

although maybe not as much lately as Gym Class Heroes and Cobra Starship. why is Stump like the only Decaydance alumnus that couldn't score a big pop hit last year?

the cobra starship and gym class heroes records that were practically half-written by stump (viva la cobra and the quilt respectively) are both great, incidentally. and the other half of the quilt is written by terius.

ok we should stay on the topic of FOB, i like you and don't enjoy seeing you suffer the shame of outing yourself as a Travie McCoy stan

dude as soon as both bands disentangled from patrick stump production they became irredeemably terrible

dom used to rep hard for this yeah? rip dom. anyway this (and the band) are prob one of my top 10 albums/acts of the 00s

dom started the 'infinity on high' thread IIRC

i'm begging you, stop before you say the first Tyga album was 'slept on' (xpost)

j0rdan, if you still haven't gotten around to From Under the Cork Tree I will :/ at you.

I mean, Folie a Deux is great and so is Infinity On High (probably better than Cork Tree, esp. at the pop fusion stuff they do here), but it's a three-album-run of greatness. Not two.

and this will be a tough call.

yeah i realized yesterday that i still need to do that

:/

'the ribbon on my wrist says do not open before christmas'

'we only good 'cause you can have almost famous friends / besides, we've got such good fashion sense'

& other histrionic gems.

it's wentz before he toned it down.

cork tree is cool but it's my least favorite of their albums

also it's totally a four album run

can't think of a pop punk album more tightly constructed than take this to your grave

I actually haven't heard take this to your grave

Feel free to :/

:/

i still have this on my itunes :S

'what a catch' almost w/o hesitation but now im thinking mb i should relisten to it

Err, wrong track, it's at the end of "Get Busy Living..."

pete also borrowed a bunch of lyrics from the cold cave dude on infinity on high

really tender detail about the elton john records there. dang

head like a steel trap
wish i didn't
i didn't
i didn't
i didn't
i didn't
i didn't
i didn't
i don't

...just want to be a footNOTE in someone else's happinesssss

def the best FOB song

the only thing suicidal here is the door

turns out this record is pretty great. think “headfirst slide” is my pick.

Correct choice. I feel like that is perhaps the song on their discography that both captures everything that is archetypally good about this band while also capturing that one of those things is how they're always reaching towards some other archetype (I recognise this is a somewhat paradoxical statement).

the build up of "headfirst slide" is one of the best moments on the album

was listening to this again for a few days last week. would still vote "the (shipped) gold standard" & i still love "what a catch, donnie" ... i just really like the big broad sentimental lyrics on this album ("you can only blame your problems on the world for so long / before it all becomes the same old song" and "i've got troubled thoughts and a self-esteem to match"). also other emo vocalists singing back their hooks is oddly affecting to me now.

the one i was loving recently that i never considered a favorite was "she's my winona" ... "the only thing suicidal here is the door" is an all time great wentz lyric & the guitars are really cool throughout

think mine is "winona" too... the band's annotation for the sharp line "we didn't come to compete / this is a demonstration":

"the idea that you are no longer competing. that you believe in yourself so much that its just a demonstration of your will. like a little zen michael jordan."

have an esp soft spot for "america's suitehearts" for the way he says "why why why" like it's some sort of scat and elongates "cla-a-a-a-a-assic cars", and "27" the arc of the chorus

("too" as in also recent appreciation)

We def aren’t hurt about it and weren’t booed off stage ever for it- I wanna set that straight. I think there are ebbs and flows of every creative career... fad is one of my favorite albums of ours. I have the original painting of it I walk by every day ❤️

— pw (@petewentz) November 17, 2018

“(coffee’s for closers)” and “disloyal order” are always the peaks for me but this is an album of peaks. “tiffany blews” is an incredible song for instance

aw

what is good FOB if you're one of the 10 people on earth who thinks 'young and menace' is p much the best thing he's heard from them

i'm not
a crybaby
i'm
THE
crybaby

― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Saturday, February 1, 2014 12:31 PM (four years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

legendary

lj you may like this album? the instrumentation is very traditionally rock but the songs are all weird and extremely catchy

will listen tomorrow ty

it’s such a good album in the classic sense ie you can listen all the way through & the songs all flow together well etc

yeah i remember first time i heard it the level of compression made it hard to get into, but the flow p quickly justified that sound for me as an overarching humid atmosphere

was listening to this recently... still really holds up

still crazy to me "she's my winona" got 0 votes

the high hopes song that is on the radio 24/7 now sounds like it could be on this album imo

you could have knocked
me out
with a
f
e
a
t
h
e
r

come together
come apart
only get lonely when you read the charts

never the same person when i go to sleep
as when i wake up
as when i wake up

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Friday, February 3, 2012 8:21 PM (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink

follow this disorganized religion of my head
and we'll never get through customs, let's just take off again instead

hi y'all this is the best album ever made

AGREE

as soon as we hit the hospital
i know we’re gonna leave this town (we’re never gonna leave this town)
and get new passports and get
get
get
get out, get
get
get
get out nowwwwww

YES OTM

damn gonna need to put this on soon

weird coincidence, I put FOB on shuffle for the first time in many months at almost the exact time of this revive

but DON'T let the DOCtor
don't let the DOCtor iiiiiin

butterfly BANdage but don’t WORRRRYYYYY

when he walks into the room
the walls lean in to listen

surfed
out
brain
waves
flick back and forth
like old
head
lights
sniffing model glue again

i'm a loose bolt (loose bolt)
of a complete machiiiiiine
what a match: i'm half-doomed and you're semi-
swee-eee-eee-eeeeeeeeet

DETOX

JUST TO RETOX

DETOX

JUST TO RETOX

say my name and his in the same breath
i dare you to say they taste the same
let the leaves fall off in the summer
and let december glow in flames

there should be way more songs in the world that sound like "headfirst slide"

alas, only one

it’s still incredible every time i listen to it

so boyyyyyycotttt loooooove

if home is where the heart is then we’re all just fucked

soon as we hit the HOSpiTAL i know we’re gonna leave this town

Tell that boy I'll leave you alone, now
Like a stove I'll turn my love down
Supra and the prophet are both in the business of souls

^^love this part

YOUR PUPILS! (big)
BIG! (roll)
THEY'RE ROLLING LIKE DICE!

FELL OUTTA BED
BUTTERFLY BANDAGE BUT DONT WORRYYYYY

HEY EDITOR
I'M UNDENIABLE
HEY DOCTOR
I'M CERTIFIABLE

how is this album still so perfect and awesome HOW