"metal is the new japanese psychedelia"

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ah, another week, another thread i start with a title pinched from a ridiculous pfork lead-in quote...

so is it? (i'm assuming they mean in terms of hipster cache, since if mainliner isn't metal i don't know what the hell is...) i've certainly been listening to a lot more of it lately, from all corners of the "metal fraternity."

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 September 2002 13:55 (twenty-three years ago)

my theory: when something is picked up and suddenly championed by the wire, yr in trouble.

what i've been listening to lately:

- atomsmasher
- khanate
- botch
- linkin park
- high on fire
- mastodon
- discordance axis
- eyehategod

any further suggestions along these lines would be appreciated...

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 September 2002 14:00 (twenty-three years ago)

...i feel like i'm back in high school/eary college...where are my carcass and drop dead records?...

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 September 2002 14:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Thursday is the New Wednesday

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 16 September 2002 14:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought Thursday is the new Sunday which used to be the new Friday?

Brock K. (Brock K.), Monday, 16 September 2002 14:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Converge

dave q, Monday, 16 September 2002 14:45 (twenty-three years ago)

where are my carcass and drop dead records?

Reek of Putrefaction ahoy. Hurrah for still being a fan!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 September 2002 14:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Aren't Converge just the Get-Up Kids with less Kleenex?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 September 2002 14:46 (twenty-three years ago)

For the psychedelic sludge/doom side of things:
- Esoteric
- Skepticism
- Unholy

Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Monday, 16 September 2002 14:50 (twenty-three years ago)

BTW, Atomsmasher? Nice band 'n all, but about as metal as Radiohead...

Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Monday, 16 September 2002 15:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Anthrax covered Radiohead = Radiohead must be metal! Er.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 September 2002 15:22 (twenty-three years ago)

haha siegbran, lose your hangups.

jess (who considers pansonic a metal band.) (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 September 2002 15:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Which Discordance Axis are you listening to?

Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 16 September 2002 15:44 (twenty-three years ago)

metal will only be the new jap psych if you have to pay high import prices for it. remember that the economics is important (it's the economy stupid!).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 16 September 2002 15:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I really like Doosh!, Teen Chthulu, Akimbo, and Nigel Pepper Cock.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 16 September 2002 15:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Pervert.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 September 2002 15:47 (twenty-three years ago)

the last one, kris, on hydra head. i forget the title.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 September 2002 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)

a group of my friends likes to go out to dinner at TGI Friday's once a week, and this semester we go on Wednesdays, but last semester it was Thursdays, coining the term "Wednesday is the new Thursday at Friday's", at which point everyone has an aneurysm.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 16 September 2002 16:18 (twenty-three years ago)

oooh, skepticism is great. i've downloaded all of their CDs over the past two weeks mainly because i can't FIND them in stores. love the weird pump-organ sound on "farmakon."

also - if you're looking for the heavy, get your ass on soulseek and download some stuff by corrupted; massive, crushing, grunting, pavement-cracking japanese doom (with ex-boredoms member, i think?) outfit who did an amazing double cd called "llenandose de gusanos." did i mention they sing entirely in mexican spanish and that their albums are impossible to find?

one more: halo "guattari" on relapse. sick, sick, sick - like the two guys involved were listening to "streetcleaner" one day and said, "i don't know... is this really bleak enough?"

as for my metallic tastes this week:
meads of asphodel "the excommunication of christ" (ridiculous!)
mayhem/meads of asphodel split 10" (mayhem+dead in a studio-vicious)
thergothn "blah blah yog-sothoth"
ildjarn "forest poetry" (vicious black metal qua punk)
nokturnal mortum "nechrist" (folk-black metal hybrid, doesn't suck)
gontyna kry demo compilation
nargaroth "herbstleyd"
esoteric "metamorphogenesis"
havohej (everything)
the new unholy album
saint fucking vitus
french black metal in general (MUTIILATION!!!)

your null fame, Monday, 16 September 2002 16:39 (twenty-three years ago)

also, am i the only one who thinks "symphonies of sickness" was the apex of carcass's high?

your null fame, Monday, 16 September 2002 16:40 (twenty-three years ago)

with ex-boredoms member, i think?

Drummer is Chew, who used to be Omoide Hatoba, but that's the only Bore connection afaik.

dleone (dleone), Monday, 16 September 2002 17:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, I think "Necrotism" is the best one. But hell, not these same two fucking Mayhem studio tracks "The Freezing Moon" and "Carnage" AGAIN???? How many times have these been released now, twenty times? Is Meads Of Asphodel any good?

I second the recommendations for Thergothon ("Stream From The Heavens"!), Ildjarn, Havohej, Esoteric, . Nargaroth is flooding the market with material of varying quality, although "Herbstleyd" is pretty good. And for the lovers of messy black/grind in the Beherit tradition, I just heard that Bestial Summoning has re-released a "full discography" CD with the album (yay!), the demo and some livetracks.

And how is that Gontyna Kry album? "Welowie" was excellent, but I was told that the rest of the demos were pretty bad...

Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Monday, 16 September 2002 19:35 (twenty-three years ago)

The only metal bands I can listen to from when I used to listen to metal are Amorphis, Paradise Lost, Sentenced, Meshuggah, Aghora, and Angra.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 16 September 2002 19:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I vote for "Necrotism" too. I want to listen to everything ynf recommended. I miss audiogalaxy!

Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 16 September 2002 20:00 (twenty-three years ago)

jess-

i endorse the following for your metal needs:

today is the day
high rise
nile

mike (ro)bott, Monday, 16 September 2002 21:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Anything on Finland's Northern Heritage label is great. But I also dig a lot of more pop-leaning metal, like Rotting Christ (I love all their albums but I have lots of goth bones in my body) and Darkane.

For death metal the new Hate Eternal album is absolutely ESSENTIAL.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 16 September 2002 22:21 (twenty-three years ago)

deep purple in rock!!

mark s (mark s), Monday, 16 September 2002 22:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Jess
I "Highly" recommend Sleep- Jerusalem
Seems like an eternity at almost an hour of Metal minimalism
Its Musica Sabsonic

brg30 (brg30), Monday, 16 September 2002 23:25 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't know anything after about 1972 (i'm not just talking about metal! I mean y'know ANYTHING!) but i recommend :
Sir Lord Baltimore (1st album)
Budgie (1st 5 albums)
Bang (1st album)
UFO (2nd album)
Dust
George Brigman
Josefus
Blue Cheer (1st 2)
Deep Purple (In Rock, Machine Head, Fireball, Who Do We Think We Are)
Sabbath (1st 4 @ least)
Groundhogs (1st 5 or so)
Stray (1st 2)
Alice Cooper (Love It To Death & Killer)
Ted Nugent (1st solo joint)
i guess a lot of people don't consider this stuff "metal" anymore tho. whatev. how'd you want yr camel, 1 hump or 2?

unknown or illegal user (doorag), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 02:18 (twenty-three years ago)

siegbran - didn't know those mayhem tracks had already come out n-teen times - i'm a relative newbie to their stuff. those two tracks are great, though, they did a pretty good job of mastering them for maximum bass presence.

as for meads of asphodel - their stated influences are venom, bulldozer, hawkwind, motorhead and you can hear it. there is something about them that reminds me of sigh (kind of cheesy synth, 'sampling' other forms of music, euro-melodicism - and yes, i know, sigh is japanese), i suppose. good, but a bit silly overall.

i REALLY like the gontyna kry demo cd, but it's pretty crapulent in sound quality, and it has some tracks from welowie on it (it's 40 minutes long and it could've easily been 80 minutes and just contained the first 3 demos). it just has a lovely, mysterious atmosphere about it but it is very raw and unrefined compared to welowie. there are a couple of almost acid-folk moments on the 3rd demo.

kris - soulseek! check it out, you'll find most of that stuff.

mark s - deep purple "in rock" is the shit - "hard lovin' man"...jesus!! to think i avoided buying a deep purple album for YEARS because i was overexposed to "smoke on the water" as a kid.

in the realms of 70s hard rock/protometal, i heartily recommend suck's "time to suck" - south african hard rock with covers of grand funk's "sin's a good man's brother" and sabbath's "war pigs". great!

your null fame, Tuesday, 17 September 2002 04:26 (twenty-three years ago)

someone else has heard "Time To Suck"? DUDE!!!!

unknown or illegal user (doorag), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 08:18 (twenty-three years ago)

THE MELVINS!!!

Along with Jesus Lizard, I've been giving "Houdini", "Bullhead" and "Stoner Witch" quite a few listens over the past couple of weeks for the first time in a few years.

earlnash, Tuesday, 17 September 2002 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)

"Once you get the reputation as an Ironic Contrarian Hipster... you can throw away all your cool records by Stereolab and Built to Spill and listen to stuff that's actually good. This mostly equates to classic rock, new wave groups with female vocalists, Fleetwood Mac, any band from Sweden, and hair metal. If questioned about these choices, you simply scoff and smile condescendingly at your accusers. It might also be a good idea to tell them they need to "think outside the box" (or something like that)..."

Yeah, I've just been reading 'Fargo Rock City' and the above passage reminded me of this thread (esp. "lose your hangups", which made me lol)

Doorag's list is supercool - I'd also put in a gd word for the UFO dbl live, and 'UFO' by Guru Guru, even.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 17:55 (twenty-three years ago)

PHANTOMSMASHER!!

That shit rocks!!

Frank Booth, Monday, 23 September 2002 12:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Well inspired by the Klosterman bk I went to FOPP and picked up two real old school metal classics I'd never heard before, a fiver each - "Appetite for Destruction" and "Toys in the Attic".

The horrible singing on AFD gets my sacrificial goat, and the lyrics are almost all bad. The guitarist sounds gd, but mostly he's buried in the mix, and too many of the songs are going-nowhere-at-medium-speed generic bluescock 'rockers' - I mean just abt OK, but nothing exceptionally exceptional either, and any early period Mountain alb rocks as 'hard'. Sometimes G'N'R have that apparently much sought-after funk-metal rhythm section thing going on - some of the drum fills do seem to really pop out at you, but they also sound utterly bogus and plastic - and even the pop tunes - 'Sweet Child O' Mine', 'Paradise City' - feel really plodding now. 3/10

Were Aerosmith ever really metal? Or ever really any gd AT ALL? 'Toys In The Attic' sounds like a moderately enjoyable early 70s Stones pastiche w/ a few Led Zep trimmings and a bit more 'disco' - sort've like if Primal Scream had 'chops'. 'Sweet Emotions' is a total steal from 'We Love You'; the 'gag' track abt big the singer's big ten inch record gives cock rock a bad name. It's never really 'heavy' and it only really rocks on the two hits. 4/10

So I swapped 'em for 'Universal Consciousness' by Alice Coltrane and 'Heavy Axe' by David Axelrod (8/10 and 6/10 respectively, a total plus of seven!!)

Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 23 September 2002 15:32 (twenty-three years ago)

''So I swapped 'em for 'Universal Consciousness' by Alice Coltrane and 'Heavy Axe' by David Axelrod (8/10 and 6/10 respectively, a total plus of seven''

xcellent choice andrew.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 23 September 2002 17:38 (twenty-three years ago)

the kevorkian solution - wonky grindcore that isn't coming from a condescending "pastiche" mindset;
orthrelm - someone playing double bass drums kit along to complicated guitar solos 2 boffins have memorized - not catchy and not really metal but so baffling it's addictive - kerry king doing a jimmy lyons tribute?
weasel walter's "hatewave" band from a couple of years back;
meshuggah (last 2 albums if only because previous production sucked) and khanate and atom/phantomsmasher indeed - inassailable genius all.
OH - OH - OOH... fredrik thordendal (of meshuggah)'s special defects (that's him with mats & morgan) "sol niger within" cd you can get the slightly less crunchy mix cheap on morgan agren's UAE label - it has a nice church organ interlude and also an improv spot by mats on same organ w/ morgan on drums - these 2 tracks ain't on the better crunchier-mixed expensive version where they tag on some fusion nonsense and a rocking thordendal track offa the mats&morgan album which i fully recommend. anyhow - it sounds like meshuggah gone super-fruity with wonky ass time signatures everywhere - it's all really one long track with an excellently bad philosophical / metaphysical / alien abduction concept / storyline - just get it - get it now!!!

bob snoom, Tuesday, 24 September 2002 09:44 (twenty-three years ago)

and Harkonen who remind me of when the Cherubs were any good

bob snoom, Tuesday, 24 September 2002 10:14 (twenty-three years ago)

the fucking champs!!! (or "C4AM95" on "III" cd) pants wetting slayer go thin lizzy instrumental cheese-teasing brilliance . (don't get me started).as for the comparison to jap psychedelia - at least most contemporary idiosyncratic metal sounds good (perhaps due to the "shameless" nature of metal) as opposed to the sheer obscurant snob factor in paying £15-£20 for guys twatting around like they heard amon duul's "yeti" once and forgot the tunes (having said that reynols & NNCK rule) why can i not stand AMT? (well, they're ok ... but compared to daisy chainsaw, only?). anyone else think the last electric wizard album fell way short of "dopethrone"?

bob snoom, Friday, 27 September 2002 14:24 (twenty-three years ago)

bob- some jap psych is truly outstanding but yes, a lot of it isn't very good.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 27 September 2002 14:30 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
OK... you guys know your music and everything, but what's really happening in music right now is:
Post-Black Metal- Dodheimsgard "666 international", Solefald, Ved Buens Ende, Nokturnal Mortum (if you can stomach it), etc...
Post-Goth/Doom metal- Theatre of Tragedy "assembly", the gathering "if_then_else", anathema "a fine day to exit" (pink floyd, if they kept prgressing... and came from doom/goth metal???!!!...)
Japanese Visual Kei- Dir en Grey "vulgar" "macabre" anything really, Malice Mizer "Merveilles" "beast of blood single", Gackt "rebirth"

and of course... cephalic carnage, today is the day, and candiria, converge, and the dillinger escape plan

BATHORY REIGNS SUPREME...

QUORTHON.XOR, Thursday, 1 April 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

We live in a world where we debate on a thread if Dave Matthews really posted on ILX. But I can't see a thread on whether Quorthon really posted on ILX. (Not that I imagine for a minute this was the real Quuorthon, but hey one can only dream)

Rock bastard, Thursday, 1 April 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

japanese psychedelia is the new noise! noise is the new emo!

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 1 April 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Mountains are the new post-it notes!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 1 April 2004 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

a lot of japanese metal is really psychedelic.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 1 April 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

also - if you're looking for the heavy, get your ass on soulseek and download some stuff by corrupted; massive, crushing, grunting, pavement-cracking japanese doom (with ex-boredoms member, i think?) outfit who did an amazing double cd called "llenandose de gusanos." did i mention they sing entirely in mexican spanish and that their albums are impossible to find?

with ex-boredoms member, i think?

Drummer is Chew, who used to be Omoide Hatoba, but that's the only Bore connection afaik.


Chu was also the Boredoms drummer in the late 1980s, and now he's also in Destroy 2 with Eye.

The Dying Light is the new Squarepusher!

Read SOUND OF THE BEAST!


Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 1 April 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

horseshit is the new bullshit.

hstencil, Thursday, 1 April 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
solar anus is heavy and japanese and psychedelic. they used to be HEAVY stoner metal noise rock but now they sound more like neu! oh and non horse is the new neckface.

quisat sat erat, Tuesday, 3 August 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Groundhogs
Budgie (w/Tony Bourge)
Blue Cheer
George Brigman / Split
Silver Metre
Early Nugent & Amboy Dukes
Soft Machine

michael martin, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

horseshit is the new bullshit.
-- hstencil (hstenci...), April 1st, 2004

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

yeah seriously h wtf was that shit

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:32 (twenty years ago)

http://blog.verbosecoma.com/archives/test%20icicles.jpg

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

Flipp is the new Foghat.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:39 (twenty years ago)

xpost - gah, stop!

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

also, i'm surprised no one commented on jess's linkin park joke upthread

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

in hstencil's defense, his post was from april 2004 so he hardly could have predicted the big pigshit revival later that summer

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:41 (twenty years ago)

I assumed it wasn't a joke, Linkin Park is pretty good!

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 15 December 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

Some recent Voice article (I forget which) just tossed off a prediction that metal revival was going to become the next thing. Seems like it's about to become the next thing every two years or so.

Meanwhile, a bunch of people who actually like metal have never stopped playing metal, and a bunch of hipsters who play it not as well keep trying to play it with a sense of blank irony.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 15 December 2005 02:52 (twenty years ago)


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