jamie principal's "your love" is the greatest house record ever.

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have been thinking this for some time. was going to post this yesterday. didn't. saw today that j.p. had had a mention. so what do you think?

― michael w., Tuesday, 17 September 2002 07:15 (twenty-three years ago)

it's transcendant, mysterious, funky, sexy, melencholy, badly edited. and that arpeggio...what more could you want? if not, which one does it best for you? why?

― michael w., Tuesday, 17 September 2002 07:18 (twenty-three years ago)

shit. that should read "melancholy".

― michael w., Tuesday, 17 September 2002 07:21 (twenty-three years ago)

...and "transcendent". sorry, it's early.

― michael w., Tuesday, 17 September 2002 07:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Not as good as Baby want's to ride (Ronan check this out NOW) but yeah a great record.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 08:02 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree with Michael, though Adonis' "No Way Back" is pretty close as the my favorite '80s house record.

Where else is Jamie Principle mentioned on ILM?

― Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 10:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Baby Wants to Ride is absolute classic. I have an original Trax release! But if the spiritual strain of house from Chicago is what you are after, then let me say:
1. "Devotion" Ten City
2. "Music is the Key" J.M. Silk
3. "Promised Land" Joe Smooth
4. "Tears" Frankie Knuckles

Devotion is probably the best house record ever for me. The lyrics seem to be truly meant by the singer, and I feel them too, and the bass line is marvelous, and the strings and the organs and the claps! And the track just builds and builds and builds. I feel like I am gonna explode at the end. It depends on what context you hear it in, though. Deep-ish house, when played for a self-consciously elegant crowd, just becomes "proper" music. I feel "Devotion" on a very, very deep level. I heartily recommend this mix... go to the 1989 button, and listen to the first of the two mixes. Devotion is in there, as well as Tears, Do You Love What You Feel, I'm Every Woman, and a Queen Latifah track as well!

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 16:33 (twenty-three years ago)

what is going on with my HTML?
Um... the mix is at djsets.hyperreal.org. Sorry!

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 16:34 (twenty-three years ago)

thank goodness mr. principle is getting some respect - i'm sick to death of people crediting it to frankie knuckles. i prefer 'baby wants to ride too' but i think 'your love' has maye aged better.

other 80's house gems - denise motto - 'im in x-t-c' (adonis ripped this off for 'no way back'), 'bird in a guilded cage' by jungle wonz, "machines' by laurent x, 'ma foom bay' by cultural vibe and the poptastic but still wonderful 'love can't turn around' by farley jackmaster funk.

― stirmonster, Tuesday, 17 September 2002 17:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Does anyone know that track "I know" by an artist who I think is called Atlantic West? It's like the most perfect piano riff ever and this sweet vocal going "I know, I know, I can count on you", sounds quite old.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 17:34 (twenty-three years ago)

the 'b' on my keyboard is uggered

― stirmonster, Tuesday, 17 September 2002 18:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Baby Wants to Ride is absolute classic. I have an original Trax release!

I have an FFRR 7". 1-0 to you Aaron, I believe.

The original proposition is half right, the greatest house record ever is The Source's "You've Got The Love" which takes "Your Love" and slaps an old Candi Staton acapella on top. The Jamie Principle record is good but I love a good belter of a vocal.

I think I've mentioned these before, but the Back To Love compilations on Hed Kandi are good for old school vocal house, though possibly aimed at the self-consciously elegant demographic.

― Mike (mratford), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 18:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Ronan, I don't know about Atlantic West but "You've Got The Love" has that vocal. It may well have been used elsewhere.

― Mike (mratford), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 18:27 (twenty-three years ago)

It seemed so familiar so maybe it's been used a few times.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 19:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Where else is Jamie Principle mentioned on ILM?

Er, that might have been me. I started a thread yesterday asking what comps I could find Jamie Principle tracks on.

If it wasn't me, I shall go hide in the corner from embarrassment.

― JC (JC A.), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 19:17 (twenty-three years ago)

"Baby Wants to Ride is absolute classic. I have an original Trax release!"

"I have an FFRR 7". 1-0 to you Aaron, I believe."

I just realized that the flip is Your Love, too! I should maybe qualify my statement a bit. My record looks like an early trax release because the sleeve has the picture of Chicago with the pink sky. All of the Trax re-presses I have ("I've Lost Control" and a Mr. Fingers record with "Washing Machine" and an instrumental of "Can You Feel It?") have only the black sleeve, and look, well, new. So I may not have an *original* press, though I might, but it is certainly old. Any collectors out there?

Oh, and check out the mix I tried to link to above! Really, people! I do these things out of love!

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 19:41 (twenty-three years ago)

sounds like the original - the first pressing was a 4 track ep. same one?

― stirmonster, Tuesday, 17 September 2002 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

What little Trax shit I own is much worse sound-wise than the horrendously chewed-up copy of Procol Harum's A Salty Dog that I got for free from my neighbors garage sale 15 yrs ago. I could probably have my neighbors' kids play with it in their sandbox all day in 100 degree weather and it would still sound better than the Trax records.

Has any other label owner run with an up-front "I'm going to screw you out of money and press your music on recycled vinyl but at least your music will be out" MO like Larry Sherman?

― Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 20:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Sci-Fi Paul to thread!

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 21:06 (twenty-three years ago)

'I Know' is by New Atlantic. its from 1991(?) and its actually a british record.

related: Love Decade - So Real

some more, when i am less drunken

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 22:11 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, maybe Bassheads - is anybody out there?

did i put Shades of Rhythm - Sound of Eden on your cd ronan. i forgot. shit man, that gets its own thread

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 22:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Andy K in Detroit zealotry lapse shockah!

Your Love has a very slight edge over Inner City's Good Life (rahrahrah) and Good Life holds an extremely slight edge over No Way Back.

― Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 22:39 (twenty-three years ago)

also, ronan - Awesome 3 - don't go

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 22:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Nightwriters 'Let The Music Use You' - best house record ever...at least of the kind with a soulful vocal and deep prolonged feel

other best house records ever would be the instrumentals 'Strings Of Life', 'Voodoo Ray' (vocals i know but they're more like accessories or effects) and 'Pacific'

― blueski, Tuesday, 17 September 2002 22:51 (twenty-three years ago)

all these trax remind me of warehouse parties that i could never go to because i was too young. my fave tune of my aspirational raver phase has to be 'rescue me' by debbie malone. has anyone heard it? used to have it on a tape but lost it and haven't heard it for years. can't say i dig Ten City et al, give me this style any time, echoing claps, whirring sea-sick bass, ecstasy vocals. oh, and reese project too, 'rock to the beat'.

― nebbesh, Tuesday, 17 September 2002 23:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay, here's a good place for a Track ID: there's a really overplayed but fantastic cheesy-and-very-gay disco-house track with a diva singing really high "Ohhh I'VE BEEN LOOKING (or "waiting"?) FOR YOU!" over a gloriously cheerful/cute piano loop. I love it to death every time I hear it, but I've never learnt what it is or who it's by.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 06:21 (twenty-three years ago)

andy k, you're otm re. "good life". great to see some house discussion on ilm, was worried the thread may die a death! some other favourites are: "alone" by don carlos (deep italian business with THE house piano line); "tonite" by those guys feat. eleanore mills; "deep burnt" by pepe bradock and "break 4 love" by raze.

― michael w., Wednesday, 18 September 2002 07:06 (twenty-three years ago)

hey nebbesh, i've got 'rescue me' on 12" and its pretty fine, love that Raze style muted bassline

― blueski, Wednesday, 18 September 2002 08:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Deep Burnt -- now there's a contender for favorite track of the '90s (house or otherwise). I could listen to that push broom shuffle and those swirling effects all day.

― Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 09:12 (twenty-three years ago)

special, isn't it?

― michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 09:28 (twenty-three years ago)

"Your Love" is devastating. I wrote about "Baby Wants To Ride" for FT once but it's lost now and I can't remember if I did an OK job or not.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 09:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Have any of you heard the Basement Jaxx remix of Good Life? It's not under their own name but it has the vocal and then goes "it's a g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g" and is all spliced up and generally fucking fantastic.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 11:37 (twenty-three years ago)

sound a bit like carl craig's mix with the staccato and heavy-as-fuck keyboard stabs. check also thomas schumacher's rework under the name kaori that came out early this year. it transplants the vocal onto a latin-shuffle rhythm track and, again, plays up the stabs. hear it out and feel your head implode!

― michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 12:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Is that definitely Carl Craig's own mix? I saw him, mr serious, there a few weeks ago and he played what I thought was the Jaxx version, my friend was support DJ and he thought it was the Basement Jaxx one too. I'll find out the name of their alias again. I love it, Jon Carter's been playing it for years.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 12:07 (twenty-three years ago)

mr serious, haha, they all are these detroit bods, aren't they? but, yeah, it's his mix. he did it for that "buena vida" remix project a few years ago. there may be a jaxx one, too, but i don't know of it.

― michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 12:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah the guy looked like he was arranging flowers for a funeral rather than mixing records for a club which was going mental, and it's not as though he didn't look at the crowd, he did, he stared at me like a psycho when he was playing Aztec Mystic. Saw Jacques Lu Cont at the weekend and the difference was insane, he was screaming along to the records, waving at people, jumping around and generally making everyone go even more crazy.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 12:42 (twenty-three years ago)

...he stared at me like a psycho when he was playing Aztec Mystic.

Haha Ronan uh-oh -- HE HAS CONTROL OVER YOUR BRAIN NOW. You just don't realize it yet.

― Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 12:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I find myself repeating the mantra "Carl Craig is not a crap mixer" over and over.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 12:51 (twenty-three years ago)

i went to see him at bugged out in manchester a few years ago. he was a bit of a hero so i, in my, er, 'loved-up' state decided to access the dj booth at the end of his set which i managed to achieve by chatting to (gurning at?) his girlfriend. asked for *cringes* his autograph which he signed off "peace in manchester". "but i'm from liverpool" i protested. "yeah, and we're in manchester" came his stony-faced reply. exited sharpish.
in fairness, the man is still the don and i may have reacted in a similar way to a moon-eyed, fawning fool questioning my ability to write a good autograph. still, the old lesson was learned again: never meet your heroes. or better still don't have any.

― michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh I've loads of embarassing encounters like that, my friend Phil is the promoter and support DJ and I usually wait for him to get his gear and stuff and the bouncers don't kick me out cos I'm with him. As a result I always end up bumping into the DJ, and there I am off my head and fumbling for words.

But it was cool at the weekend, I wasn't going to say anything to Jacques Lu Cont and then I thought fuck it why not, and had a normal conversation (shocker) with the guy, about various stuff, Playgroup DJ Kicks album and different things.

At Creamfields, after Jon Carter stormed the place, my friend was messing and was like "sign my arm! sign my arm!", so Carter wrote "I luv U, JC" on it and my friend was quite happy. It's always so easy to meet the DJ, too easy cos you make a fool of yourself.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 13:01 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...

The Source's "You've Got The Love"
Does anyone know where i can get the bass line from this phat tune..ive tried to sample it from the origional 12" and it the quality isnt very good.any help will be much appreciated..

― welder bob, Thursday, 2 December 2004 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

well the whole tune is nicked from frankie knuckles' "your love" so try that!

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 2 December 2004 03:49 (twenty-one years ago)

...or jamie priciple - i'm confused! what's the story here?

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 2 December 2004 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the original version of "Your Love" is credited to Frankie Knuckles, but Jamie Principle was definitely the singer.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Thursday, 2 December 2004 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

your love is featured on the new diamondtraxx compilation from d-i-r-t-y.com, DIRTY DIAMONDS II

DIRTY DIAMONDS II

01. MOONDOG voices of spring
02. THE KONKI DUET on dort mieux quand il pleut
03. WILLIAM SHELLER lux aeterna introit
04. SA RA glorious
05. SIMON DUPREE AND THE BIG SOUND kites
06. NINO ROTA o venezia, venaga, venusia
07. AIR alpha beta gaga (jackson remix)
08. JOHN FOXX metal beat
09. I MONSTER these are our children
10. ARTHUR RUSSELL see through love
11. THE PASTELS wilderness end theme
12. MARTIN L GORE compulsion
13. FRANKIE KNUCKLES your love
14. YELLO daily disco
15. CHICKEN LIPS do it proper (maurice fulton mix)
16. OUT HUD hair dude, you're stepping on my mystique
17. THE MONEY PENNY PROJECT le cercle de minuit (octet swiss poney mix)
18. HARRY NILSSON one

nice.

― david day (winslow), Thursday, 2 December 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

05. SIMON DUPREE AND THE BIG SOUND kites

excellent!

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Thursday, 2 December 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

oh nice, the first dirty diamonds comp was very good

― it's tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 2 December 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

five years pass...

other 80's house gems - denise motto - 'im in x-t-c' (adonis ripped this off for 'no way back')

can anyone confirm/deny this? they both came out in 1986..

― hotel califor.nia (r1o natsume), Thursday, 6 May 2010 10:47 (sixteen years ago)

three years pass...

This song. I'm sure I've heard it at some point in the past, surely, but I've really made its acquaintance this evening. <3

Hard to tell which version I'm playing is which, though. There's a demo, then there's the 1986 version with bigger gated-sounded drums, and then the version with (or presented by) Frankie Knuckles has the dryer sounding drums, right?

― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 10 June 2013 06:19 (twelve years ago)

I saw some shitty band open for OMD but the one redeeming part of their show was a cover of Jamie Principle's Waiting On An Angel. Great song. Does he have any other great songs outside Your Love, Baby Wants to Ride and Waiting?

― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 10 June 2013 07:04 (twelve years ago)

Bad Boy (demo version)

― Vasco da Gama, Monday, 10 June 2013 07:21 (twelve years ago)

As an extension of my current Your Love obsession (and I actually got to that by discovering Baby Wants to Ride first), I wound up playing his 1992 album. Don't do that, fwiw.

― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 10 June 2013 07:23 (twelve years ago)

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