Why still the Melvins?

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Pitchfork reviewed their new record today... My question: why does this band still exist? Are the cutout bins starving or something? I'm appointing one of you to be their public defender, and you've got quite a case ahead of you.

andy, Wednesday, 18 September 2002 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

don't know much about this band, 'cept the few tidbits about them in that "heavier than heaven" kurt cobain bio, i just finished reading. the lead guy in this band, buzz something or other, seemed like a right twat. this observation doesn't have anything to do with your initial question, just wanted to get that off me chest.

Derek Dalek (Derek Dalek), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)

My question: why does it matter to you?

Seriously, there are targets out there much more deserving of ridicule than the Melvins. Like GWAR, for example. Do they now or did they ever serve a purpose?

paul cox, Wednesday, 18 September 2002 16:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll defend them easy -- their club show I caught back in April was absolutely goddamn fantastic, ninety minutes of crunch and doom and humor. And the new albums are both pretty good. Viva Melvins!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 16:20 (twenty-three years ago)

pfft. why shouldn't they exist? no skin off your nose is it really? the whole "why doesnt x just call it a day" argument is a little obnoxious, you know. why do people still keep flipping burgers with arthritic fingers? why do people still keep breathing when they need machines to pump their lungs? why do people go to singles bars after their marriages end in disaster, when its clear to everyone around them that they unloved and unlovable? because people keep going doing what they do whether its good or not. because they need to pay their rent. because they don't want to die alone and forgotten. why is that contemptible?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 16:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Melvins aren't alone, Fritz. They're not contemptible.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 16:24 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, that's what i'm saying.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 16:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Sometimes I'll go to the record store with some extra money, like overtime or something, really wanting to buy something and there won't be ANYTHING I WANT. So I'll buy whatever Melvins CD came out most recently and take it home and it will be pretty good.

I do the same thing with Merzbow. Just yesterday I picked up Merzbow w/ Gore Beyond Necropsy "Rectal Anarchy." It is indeed pretty good.

adam (adam), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 18:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Innocent until proven guilty.
Andy, are you going to let Pitchfork do your critical thinking for you? If you think the band should no longer be around, state your case, don't just point to some luke-warm review as evidence. That's lazy.

Because even if their best work is behind them, the Melvins still offer an outstanding live show, and individually they are peerless for musicians who truly pummel their instruments.
Because the Melvins are more an institution than a band (think KISS), and have a rabid fan base who they pay more attention to than the critics.
Because the Melvins are not a disposable Pop band who puts out a couple of singles, here today--gone tomorrow. Their music is what they do in life. Its not some hobby or get rich quick scheme. I can think of less fulfilling day jobs.
Because the timbre of their aesthetic (singularly loud detuned feedback thick and plodding) has meaning. Their signature sound signifies as much to many people as the sound of a Harley-Davidson engine. It serves as a metaphor for the freedom to do what pleases you, regardless of current fashion; for the power of amplified sound to completely engulf you, dissolving all but the present moment; and for stability in an unreliable world. Discarding the song-structures, the content of the lyrics, and the concepts that drive their albums, you are still left with that droning irreducible sound with the resonance of a dark heartbeat. Its laid bare in the epic tone color on Lysol, the vocals (with words made up just because of their aural impact) on Houdini, and even in the ambient street samples floating through Prick. The Melvins can be primative, ill-tempered, self-conscioussly annoying, and arguably too conservative [ie not musically adventurous]; however, they will continue to put out records and tour until a better band comes along to claim the throne (and nu-metal certainly isn't up to that task).

Perhaps you will only listen to me if (like you) I let other critics argue for me, so by proxy I submit a notable excerpt from Trouser Press:

Oppressive in the best possible sense, the Melvins produce richly sensual, stunningly ugly music that gives the feeling of being crushed by a friendly fat guy tripping his brains out. When the band is truly in its glory, the Melvins replay the sinking of the Titanic, invoking the grinding inexorability of an implacable iceberg tearing apart the hull of a great vessel inch by grueling inch. It is a wonder to behold.

Ryan McKay, Wednesday, 18 September 2002 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

heard a track on drug music update. if any more of their stuff is like that then I'll defend them until my dying day!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 19:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm appointing one of you to be their public defender, and you've got quite a case ahead of you.
Andy if your gonna cop an attitude, lets see you try to defend all of the crap your label has put out for years :-)

brg30 (brg30), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 19:41 (twenty-three years ago)

''the whole "why doesnt x just call it a day" argument is a little obnoxious, you know.''

it's the amy phillips sort of shit arg (she of the village voice murray street review thingy).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 19:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Julio, I think we got some subjects worthy of the Borbetomagus listening tortue test. I'll let you pick the first LP :-)

brg30 (brg30), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 19:46 (twenty-three years ago)

and we can follow it up with New York performances.

Then some Squealing sax goodness from don and Jim on their Bells together alb.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 19:51 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry thought you said the first LP. but yes new york would be beautiful...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

hey dont hijack this thread we're talking about the f'n melvins.

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 19:56 (twenty-three years ago)

OK chaki, we'll lighten the mood by using Donald Miller's (he of borbeto) solo album 'Little Treatise on Morals', released in '82.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 20:01 (twenty-three years ago)

or just listen to this. a 35 second answer to the original question.

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 20:06 (twenty-three years ago)

oh and buzz is not a twat. hes very nice.

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 20:10 (twenty-three years ago)

hey dont hijack this thread we're talking about the f'n melvins.

1000 Pardon Me's chaki. I've been liken The Melvins for quite some time now. The tour I saw when Eggnog came out was awesome. I never seen so man people clutch their ears and run out of a club at the same time..They keep on going...

brg30 (brg30), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Alright, you guys laced up your tall Dr. Martens and went to work... you love the Melvins, as I did at one time. But I think the point is valid: some bands should call it a day. Not that the members shouldn't continue doing music, but to to lug a band name around like a an atrophied burro, still touring because you can, still putting out 'cult' records to a shrinking audience... it seems lazy and safe, to stand by a stove when the fire has long gone out. I don't think the Melvins are a good example of this, but that's my perception of them.

Bands SHOULD break up... six years is about all I can handle.

Andy, Wednesday, 18 September 2002 21:02 (twenty-three years ago)

since the Melvins have signed to Mike Pattons Ipecac label, they've found a whole new, younger audience. their fanbase is not shrinking by any means.

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 21:46 (twenty-three years ago)

naturally I have something personal invested in this question but I think that whether or not I'd be getting the bum's rush per Andy's six-year ceiling, I'd still consider putting an upper-limit on "validity/pertinence" etc (pretty hairy ideas, them'uns) a pretty dicey business...esp. in the case of the Melvins, who aren't just rehashing old ground, to my ears anyhow. what if bands were required by law to last at least twenty years? 2-1 that after the slump of albums ten through fifteen, you'd hear some really interesting stuff.

John Darn1elle, Wednesday, 18 September 2002 21:56 (twenty-three years ago)

you love the Melvins, as I did at one time
actually, i don't and never did much. liked stoner witch a bit, but never cared much one way or another.
but i think it's people who once loved a band who are liable to think 'why don't they just cut it out'... cause they feel invested in them - that the band's continuing existence is a nagging reminder of an aesthetic they once embraced and have since rejected (not to put you on the couch, andy, this probably has nothing to do with your take on it).
I do think there is something to be said for bands with brief lifespan because its easier to keep things mythic, but things get kinda morbid and highschool crushish with that logic - it's the same one that attracts 14-yr olds to james dean and jim morrison and tupac.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 22:39 (twenty-three years ago)

i mean 'i wish he'd stop touring' is just a couple of stops down the line from 'i wish he'd get hit by a truck' or 'i'm so glad he stayed in his mother's basement for 30 yrs because this way he's always 22 and starry eyed to me'.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 22:44 (twenty-three years ago)

buzz's hair just gets better with age.

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 22:53 (twenty-three years ago)

some bands should call it a day

Yeah, and those bands are the ones that, only a couple years old, sound like something done 35+ years ago, instead of a band like the Melvins who have been doing new stuff for quite some time.

hstencil, Thursday, 19 September 2002 01:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Bands should do whatever the hell they want, barring financial constraints / death threats / monkey claws. Flood the marketplace with bootlegs, alt takes, piss takes, remixes, whatever. Caveat emptor. Telling folks to shut up is bound to shut up the wrong folks, so it's better to keep everyone talking. You don't like it, tough shit - spend your moolah / time on other stuff. Yeah, man.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 19 September 2002 01:26 (twenty-three years ago)

I went to see the Melvins in June and the place so packed, the crowd so fervent, I blacked out during the set. I assure, they are not wallowing in discount bin obscurity or scrounging for bygone days of adulation. A healthy contingent of Melvins enthusiasts still exists--and they'll trample you until you pass out on the ground.

Steph (Steph), Friday, 20 September 2002 04:35 (twenty-three years ago)

sixteen years pass...

Melvins should continue their tour through collaborations with the old punk rock bassists and hook up with Watt. They could be called the Melvinsmen and they could cover Big Boys tunes.

That would work.

earlnash, Sunday, 15 September 2019 20:49 (six years ago)

lol you know they are currently on tour with Redd Kross and using Steve McDonald for bass, right?

they were awesome last Tuesday, I'm only a casual fan but I was very impressed

sleeve, Sunday, 15 September 2019 23:18 (six years ago)

And Dale Crover drumming for both.

everything, Sunday, 15 September 2019 23:31 (six years ago)

Oh yeah, they have done stuff with Jeff Pinkus from Butthole Surfers and Kris Novacelic a couple times too...

Which is when I was listening to them this weekend traveling through the Ohio river valley it occurred to me they should keep going and do a record with Watt, Chris Kirkwood, David Wm. Sims, Kira etc...

earlnash, Sunday, 15 September 2019 23:58 (six years ago)

I loved the four-piece, double-drums incarnation of the band but haven't liked anything they've done since then. I feel like their irony-poisoned side has taken over again, and now they're not even rebelling against the strictures of a major label contract, they're just doing it 'cause it's who they are. No thanks.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 16 September 2019 00:25 (six years ago)

I'm nearly completely a Melvins-live-not-on-record fan at this point having never really delved into their catalog after catching one of their tours when it passed through a few years back. Great live band, although my knowledge of the material is practically zero.

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 16 September 2019 14:56 (six years ago)


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