Chuck Eddy's review of Slayer's Reign In Blood in Stairway to Hell

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Here's the lead:

"Since bassist Tom Araya shrieks out ritualistic Marvel Comics descriptions of a hell you're not even satisfied (as you are with Roky Erickson, say) he himself believes in, his band's misanthropic strangulation and asphyxiation sneers come across as just one more bullshit occult cop-out."

I've never heard Reign in Blood but I know it's usually considered by metalheads to be a great album. Eddy ranks it as the #472nd best metal album of all time.

Can anyone tell me what in hell he's talking about with this sentence?

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 22:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Like, what does Slayer "cop out" of? What should they be doing?

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 22:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Not this, clearly:

http://www.metal-sludge.com/ExposedSlayer3.jpg

Further amusement here.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 September 2002 01:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Hell, Slayer started out as a Judas Priest coverband. No wonder they looked the part...

Chucks comment is pretty much a standard attitude from the "old" hard rock/heavy metal crowd who grew up with the blues-based approach to "heavy rock" (the Led Zeppelin-Sabbath-Priest-Maiden school) and missed the train when metal ditched the rock 'n roll, more romanticist natured 'classic metal' and took the spirit of DRI/Minor Threat/etc to go down a deconstructivist path instead: chromatic scales, a more percussive nature, the use of vocals as an (again, mostly percussive) instrument rather than melodic high-region acrobatics.

I would say that "Reign In Blood" is the pivotal point for this - it marries the elements from the older speed metal generation (the vocals, some riffs and melodies, the 'groove' in the rhythm section, the general catchiness of the songs) which made it palatable enough to be liked by a wide audience, with the hints of things that were to to come: the out-of-control solos, the nihilistic nature of lyrics and music, the chromatic riffing, the dense riff textures, the structuralism.

Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Thursday, 19 September 2002 07:26 (twenty-three years ago)

the "cop-out" is that slayer don't believe the philosophy they are declaiming

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 19 September 2002 08:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Did they have a philosophy to begin with, apart from the (obvious) nihilistic tendencies?

Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Thursday, 19 September 2002 09:53 (twenty-three years ago)

your post is great, SH, but isn't Chuck giving Slayer a hard time because of their romanticism - or their pretended romanticism - not their lack of it? i think he's saying 'Hey Slayer, you are nihilists, so why bother with all the fire and brimstone if you don't believe in it?'

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 19 September 2002 12:33 (twenty-three years ago)

the cop-out is saying "there is no god, anything is possible" and "the devil made me do it" at the same time.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 19 September 2002 12:59 (twenty-three years ago)

This might be his (or perhaps, Slayer's?) misinterpretation of satanism as an actual belief system (satan as a flesh-and-blood entity to be worshipped a la "evil jesus") rather than the metaphor for freedom/chaos it usually represents. And the consequent playing with the notion "they actually think we're serious, whaha, let's feed them some more", which makes it more confusing still (and more fun too...).

The lyrics to "Reign In Blood" work best when they take a descriptive form ("Angel Of Death") rather than outspoken opinion ("Jesus Saves"). Perhaps this is what Chuck criticizes, that they didn't take it to the logical extreme of writing *all* the lyrics from the point of cold observation. I haven't read Chuck Eddy's book, from what I've heard it mostly focuses on the older hard rock/heavy metal styles circa 1970-1985 which I'm not that big a fan of...but I think I should get my hands on it someday.

Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Thursday, 19 September 2002 13:18 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, you should check it out. even if you're not totally interested in the bands he talks about (& nobody is!), it's pretty sharp and funny & packed with argument-starters like the one quoted above.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 19 September 2002 13:25 (twenty-three years ago)

the "cop-out" is that slayer don't believe the philosophy they are declaiming

It seems weird that Chuck Eddy would be complaining about something like this, is what I'm saying. He doesn't strike me as somebody overly concerned w/ an artist's true beliefs.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 19 September 2002 14:41 (twenty-three years ago)

With Rein in Blood I pay atttention to the music and don't really listen to the lyrics except in the ovious parts ie when they scream "enter into the realm of Satan..."

brg30 (brg30), Thursday, 19 September 2002 18:46 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jeff+Henneman

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

fifteen years pass...

THE WAVES OF BLOOD ARE RUSHING NEAR, POUNDING AT THE WALLS OF LIES
TURNING OFF MY SANITY,REACHING BACK INTO MY MIND
NON-RISING BODY FROM THE GRAVE SHOWING NEW REALITY
WHAT I AM WHAT I WANT, I"M ONLY AFTER DEATH

genital giant (Neanderthal), Saturday, 25 April 2020 22:36 (six years ago)

It would have been interesting had xhuxkx had responded...

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Saturday, 25 April 2020 23:36 (six years ago)

don't feel like that review is hard to understand

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 26 April 2020 03:16 (six years ago)

it's not. i was 4 beers in and looking for a thread with Reign in Blood in the title!

genital giant (Neanderthal), Sunday, 26 April 2020 03:18 (six years ago)

Discussion was p interesting imo.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Sunday, 26 April 2020 03:19 (six years ago)

Popping 'em down with codeine in my cup
Bitch I'm rolling the rillo and burning the ounce
Creep through the ground
I don't hear a sound
Burying bodies all over the town
The Satanic killer
The gripper of triggers that haunts all the rivers

pomenitul, Sunday, 26 April 2020 03:21 (six years ago)

I remember having to get past the Satanism thing being a struggling Fundamentalist who was close to giving up on faith and falling in love with thrash and desperately wanted to listen to Slayer. found one interview from the 90s with Araya saying he was a Catholic or something and I used that as my excuse.

but I made myself start with albums that had less Satan-y stuff in them

genital giant (Neanderthal), Sunday, 26 April 2020 03:24 (six years ago)


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