TS: The Rolling Stones' CAN'T YOU HEAR ME KNOCKING - First Half vs. Second Half

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First Half 37
Second Half 8


tylerw, Friday, 30 March 2012 19:59 (thirteen years ago)

Riffage in a cakewalk.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:00 (thirteen years ago)

It's the first half. But if the first half had been almost anything else, it'd've been the second half.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:17 (thirteen years ago)

i've seen the second half referenced as "santana-esque" but it seems more james brown-y to me? kind of?

tylerw, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:19 (thirteen years ago)

It's pure Santana, but that sax is a bit JB now you mention it.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:20 (thirteen years ago)

how bout "both halves suck"?

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:21 (thirteen years ago)

begone!

tylerw, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:21 (thirteen years ago)

I voted for the first half, because that's the part that has the actual song in it. In all honesty though, I couldn't have one part without the other. One of my favourite Sticky Fingers tracks.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:23 (thirteen years ago)

SF is the only great Stones albums which boasts songs I loathe.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:25 (thirteen years ago)

i think SF is the only Stones album where I love every song!

tylerw, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:33 (thirteen years ago)

that boring blues ones that's not "I Got The Blues," "I Got The Blues" when I'm in the wrong mood, and "Wild Horses." I never listen to "Wild Horses."

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:33 (thirteen years ago)

lurkers be lurkin!

theStalePrince, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:34 (thirteen years ago)

& postin in the rong thread :-(

theStalePrince, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:35 (thirteen years ago)

I don't really love Sticky Fingers either. I love "Brown Sugar" & "Sway", & am at best ambiguous about the rest, particularly about Mick's singing. He sounds tired. I don't really love "Wild Horses" & considered putting "Dead Flowers" on my worst songs list b/c of Mick's vocal, though it's a lovely melody & a good lyric.

btw voted first half

Euler, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:35 (thirteen years ago)

i'm a big defender of the 2nd half but this isn't really an either/or thing. obviously the 1st half can function much better without the other than vice versa.

Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:42 (thirteen years ago)

also I don't really like the Stones' take on "Sister Morphine" much either, again b/c of Mick's singing; Keef is pretty good of course. I like Marianne Faithful's take though.

Euler, Friday, 30 March 2012 20:43 (thirteen years ago)

riffage riffage riffage get more riffage in your diet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Df1oOknYcY

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:43 (thirteen years ago)

i'm a big defender of the 2nd half but this isn't really an either/or thing. obviously the 1st half can function much better without the other than vice versa.

― Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Friday, March 30, 2012 8:42 PM (2 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I agree. But if that jam were edited off the end I think I'd miss it.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 30 March 2012 20:44 (thirteen years ago)

I don't really love Sticky Fingers either. I love "Brown Sugar" & "Sway", & am at best ambiguous about the rest, particularly about Mick's singing. He sounds tired. I don't really love "Wild Horses" & considered putting "Dead Flowers" on my worst songs list b/c of Mick's vocal, though it's a lovely melody & a good lyric.

...also I don't really like the Stones' take on "Sister Morphine" much either, again b/c of Mick's singing; Keef is pretty good of course. I like Marianne Faithful's take though.

mostly (or at least almost) agree w euler here. it's the least satisfying "great stones album", imo. "brown chooga" is all-time, obv, and "sway" too, but it gets a little iffy after that. mick's southren-fried vocal mannerisms were getting out of hand by this point, and they come perilously close to trashing both "wild horses" and "dead flowers". they miraculously survive, though scarred for the ordeal.

"bitch" is fun, but seems a paint-by-numbers version of the R&B influenced swagger-rockers the stones could kick out in their sleep. agree that marianne clean's mick's clock w "sister morphine". "moonlight mile" and "hear me knockin" drag a bit.

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 30 March 2012 21:43 (thirteen years ago)

imo the mannered vox threaten "moonlight mile" more than "wild horses"... and yet, by the time we get to "oh i'm sleeping under strange, strange skies" i wouldn't change a thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uz-S_Ow7jE

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 30 March 2012 21:47 (thirteen years ago)

have to admit that being all skeptical abt sticky fingers while stanning hard for goats head soup says more about my basic character than about the quality of either album or even my appreciation of the songs involved.

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 30 March 2012 21:50 (thirteen years ago)

Mick is easily the worst thing about the Stones so the second half

You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 30 March 2012 21:52 (thirteen years ago)

"Star Star" is better than everything on Sticky Fingers save the first two tracks.

mostly it's that I don't have the blues right now I think.

tbh I don't think the Stones ever made a flawless album

Euler, Friday, 30 March 2012 21:52 (thirteen years ago)

that boring blues ones that's not "I Got The Blues,

that would be "You Gotta Move" and it is indeed awful

You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 30 March 2012 21:53 (thirteen years ago)

This song is my favorite Stones track.

what is a dog-robber? (loves laboured breathing), Friday, 30 March 2012 22:33 (thirteen years ago)

I agree, no flawless Stones albums, kept me away from buying them for a long time

grandavis, Friday, 30 March 2012 22:35 (thirteen years ago)

I voted for the 2nd half, figured it would need the votes--and I feel the same way about both parts. great song, but relatively speaking, only a B+

Iago Galdston, Friday, 30 March 2012 23:11 (thirteen years ago)

Riffage in a cakewalk.

OTM, it's Top 5 in their best riffs ever, irritates me so much that it isn't longer. Who needs to hear the Stones trying to do Santana?

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Saturday, 31 March 2012 10:44 (thirteen years ago)

i thort the consensus wz they were having a grebtful dead moment

thomp, Saturday, 31 March 2012 10:57 (thirteen years ago)

... well, whatever it was, I wish they hadn't bothered

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Saturday, 31 March 2012 10:58 (thirteen years ago)

This thread made me realize that a lot of my favorite Stones moments are mid-album tracks like this, where they let go of basic song structure, and Mick seems to force the band into uncomfortable textures to match his free-associating. Monkey Man. Too Much Blood. Hey Negrita.

bendy, Saturday, 31 March 2012 12:36 (thirteen years ago)

That brings to mind The Doors

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 31 March 2012 12:40 (thirteen years ago)

i thort the consensus wz they were having a grebtful dead moment

― thomp, Saturday, March 31, 2012

wat

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Saturday, 31 March 2012 15:07 (thirteen years ago)

The first half (much less than half, from memory--maybe I'm wrong) would have been top 5 on my ballot. It was used in the original trailer for Casino, and I don't know if I'd ever been as hyped for a film. Don't like the second half at all.

clemenza, Saturday, 31 March 2012 15:17 (thirteen years ago)

the grateful dead thing isn't my line but it sounds way more like them than it does james brown, ferchrissakes

thomp, Saturday, 31 March 2012 15:30 (thirteen years ago)

Mick seems to force the band into uncomfortable textures to match his free-associating. Monkey Man. Too Much Blood. Hey Negrita.

― bendy, Saturday, March 31, 2012 5:36 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

difference being that i really like those songs, and i'm not completely on board w the jammed-out 2nd half of "can't you hear me knocking".

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Saturday, 31 March 2012 17:29 (thirteen years ago)

That brings to mind The Doors

Don't get this

Singularities Going Steady (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 31 March 2012 23:14 (thirteen years ago)

First half rawks. 2nd way too loosey goosey.

Lawanda Pageboy (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 31 March 2012 23:20 (thirteen years ago)

second half i can take or l;eave. brown sugar is good but i tend to skip it cuz idk, shit is worn out. rest of album is stopne cold, buncha crazies itt.

Check out these bent items: (arby's), Sunday, 1 April 2012 00:16 (thirteen years ago)

also lol i can't type cuz stitches

Check out these bent items: (arby's), Sunday, 1 April 2012 00:17 (thirteen years ago)

They could do no wrong at that time.

earlnash, Sunday, 1 April 2012 05:28 (thirteen years ago)

Don't get this

Me neither. The second half doesn't make me wish Jim Morrison was never born.

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 1 April 2012 05:29 (thirteen years ago)

where they let go of basic song structure, and Mick seems to force the band into uncomfortable textures to match his free-associating

Oh, I was referring to this description making me think of When The Music's Over or The End; I didn't mean Can't You Hear Me Knocking itself, it's way too fluid to be something The Doors could have come up with.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 1 April 2012 07:45 (thirteen years ago)

1st half, just. SF is my favourite Stones album, this and Beggars Banquet are the only ones where I really like every song.

Gavin, Leeds, Sunday, 1 April 2012 09:54 (thirteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 2 April 2012 00:01 (thirteen years ago)

I think Sticky Fingers is different than Beggar's Banquet and Let It Bleed in that it was the point Mick Taylor was now in the band. That record is much more the whole band playing together making it happen also coming at a time they were playing live on a regular basis for the first time in a few years. The previous two were more Keith in the studio with Jimmy Miller running the show. Charlie and Bill don't even play on some of the big tracks.

I'm thinking the funky groove that closes Can't You Hear Me Knocking comes from the fact that the Stones was again a working live band.

earlnash, Monday, 2 April 2012 04:09 (thirteen years ago)

OTM

demolition with discretion (m coleman), Monday, 2 April 2012 09:25 (thirteen years ago)

the second half always reminds me of early 70s Traffic w/lead guitar

but the opening guitar riff in the first half is sick.

demolition with discretion (m coleman), Monday, 2 April 2012 09:28 (thirteen years ago)

otm. First half

Singularities Going Steady (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 2 April 2012 14:05 (thirteen years ago)

the second half always reminds me of early 70s Traffic w/lead guitar

OTM 2nd half! But then a lot of stuff from the early 70s reminds me of Traffic (Jimmy Miller again!)

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Monday, 2 April 2012 14:07 (thirteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 00:01 (thirteen years ago)

guess that's settled then

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 00:03 (thirteen years ago)

Indeed.

Who needs to hear the Stones trying to do Santana?

Ha, I listened to this on Spotify this morning and after it ended it started up again. I thought I had hit a repeat button but it was actually a Santana cover of it.

MIke Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 00:04 (thirteen years ago)

Feat. Scott Weiland!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8TeBect-zc

MIke Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 00:12 (thirteen years ago)

Cf "Layla" (riff-rockin first half, languid second half)

Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 03:44 (thirteen years ago)


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