TS: The Rolling Stones' CAN'T YOU HEAR ME KNOCKING - First Half vs. Second Half

Riffage in a cakewalk.

It's the first half. But if the first half had been almost anything else, it'd've been the second half.

i've seen the second half referenced as "santana-esque" but it seems more james brown-y to me? kind of?

It's pure Santana, but that sax is a bit JB now you mention it.

how bout "both halves suck"?

begone!

I voted for the first half, because that's the part that has the actual song in it. In all honesty though, I couldn't have one part without the other. One of my favourite Sticky Fingers tracks.

SF is the only great Stones albums which boasts songs I loathe.

i think SF is the only Stones album where I love every song!

that boring blues ones that's not "I Got The Blues," "I Got The Blues" when I'm in the wrong mood, and "Wild Horses." I never listen to "Wild Horses."

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& postin in the rong thread :-(

I don't really love Sticky Fingers either. I love "Brown Sugar" & "Sway", & am at best ambiguous about the rest, particularly about Mick's singing. He sounds tired. I don't really love "Wild Horses" & considered putting "Dead Flowers" on my worst songs list b/c of Mick's vocal, though it's a lovely melody & a good lyric.

btw voted first half

i'm a big defender of the 2nd half but this isn't really an either/or thing. obviously the 1st half can function much better without the other than vice versa.

also I don't really like the Stones' take on "Sister Morphine" much either, again b/c of Mick's singing; Keef is pretty good of course. I like Marianne Faithful's take though.

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i'm a big defender of the 2nd half but this isn't really an either/or thing. obviously the 1st half can function much better without the other than vice versa.

― Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Friday, March 30, 2012 8:42 PM (2 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I agree. But if that jam were edited off the end I think I'd miss it.

I don't really love Sticky Fingers either. I love "Brown Sugar" & "Sway", & am at best ambiguous about the rest, particularly about Mick's singing. He sounds tired. I don't really love "Wild Horses" & considered putting "Dead Flowers" on my worst songs list b/c of Mick's vocal, though it's a lovely melody & a good lyric.

...also I don't really like the Stones' take on "Sister Morphine" much either, again b/c of Mick's singing; Keef is pretty good of course. I like Marianne Faithful's take though.

mostly (or at least almost) agree w euler here. it's the least satisfying "great stones album", imo. "brown chooga" is all-time, obv, and "sway" too, but it gets a little iffy after that. mick's southren-fried vocal mannerisms were getting out of hand by this point, and they come perilously close to trashing both "wild horses" and "dead flowers". they miraculously survive, though scarred for the ordeal.

"bitch" is fun, but seems a paint-by-numbers version of the R&B influenced swagger-rockers the stones could kick out in their sleep. agree that marianne clean's mick's clock w "sister morphine". "moonlight mile" and "hear me knockin" drag a bit.

imo the mannered vox threaten "moonlight mile" more than "wild horses"... and yet, by the time we get to "oh i'm sleeping under strange, strange skies" i wouldn't change a thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uz-S_Ow7jE

have to admit that being all skeptical abt sticky fingers while stanning hard for goats head soup says more about my basic character than about the quality of either album or even my appreciation of the songs involved.

Mick is easily the worst thing about the Stones so the second half

"Star Star" is better than everything on Sticky Fingers save the first two tracks.

mostly it's that I don't have the blues right now I think.

tbh I don't think the Stones ever made a flawless album

that boring blues ones that's not "I Got The Blues,

that would be "You Gotta Move" and it is indeed awful

This song is my favorite Stones track.

I agree, no flawless Stones albums, kept me away from buying them for a long time

I voted for the 2nd half, figured it would need the votes--and I feel the same way about both parts. great song, but relatively speaking, only a B+

Riffage in a cakewalk.

OTM, it's Top 5 in their best riffs ever, irritates me so much that it isn't longer. Who needs to hear the Stones trying to do Santana?

i thort the consensus wz they were having a grebtful dead moment

... well, whatever it was, I wish they hadn't bothered

This thread made me realize that a lot of my favorite Stones moments are mid-album tracks like this, where they let go of basic song structure, and Mick seems to force the band into uncomfortable textures to match his free-associating. Monkey Man. Too Much Blood. Hey Negrita.

That brings to mind The Doors

i thort the consensus wz they were having a grebtful dead moment

― thomp, Saturday, March 31, 2012

wat

The first half (much less than half, from memory--maybe I'm wrong) would have been top 5 on my ballot. It was used in the original trailer for Casino, and I don't know if I'd ever been as hyped for a film. Don't like the second half at all.

the grateful dead thing isn't my line but it sounds way more like them than it does james brown, ferchrissakes

Mick seems to force the band into uncomfortable textures to match his free-associating. Monkey Man. Too Much Blood. Hey Negrita.

― bendy, Saturday, March 31, 2012 5:36 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

difference being that i really like those songs, and i'm not completely on board w the jammed-out 2nd half of "can't you hear me knocking".

That brings to mind The Doors

First half rawks. 2nd way too loosey goosey.

second half i can take or l;eave. brown sugar is good but i tend to skip it cuz idk, shit is worn out. rest of album is stopne cold, buncha crazies itt.

also lol i can't type cuz stitches

They could do no wrong at that time.

Don't get this

Me neither. The second half doesn't make me wish Jim Morrison was never born.

where they let go of basic song structure, and Mick seems to force the band into uncomfortable textures to match his free-associating

Oh, I was referring to this description making me think of When The Music's Over or The End; I didn't mean Can't You Hear Me Knocking itself, it's way too fluid to be something The Doors could have come up with.

1st half, just. SF is my favourite Stones album, this and Beggars Banquet are the only ones where I really like every song.

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I think Sticky Fingers is different than Beggar's Banquet and Let It Bleed in that it was the point Mick Taylor was now in the band. That record is much more the whole band playing together making it happen also coming at a time they were playing live on a regular basis for the first time in a few years. The previous two were more Keith in the studio with Jimmy Miller running the show. Charlie and Bill don't even play on some of the big tracks.

I'm thinking the funky groove that closes Can't You Hear Me Knocking comes from the fact that the Stones was again a working live band.

OTM

the second half always reminds me of early 70s Traffic w/lead guitar

but the opening guitar riff in the first half is sick.

otm. First half

the second half always reminds me of early 70s Traffic w/lead guitar

OTM 2nd half! But then a lot of stuff from the early 70s reminds me of Traffic (Jimmy Miller again!)

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guess that's settled then

Indeed.

Who needs to hear the Stones trying to do Santana?

Feat. Scott Weiland!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8TeBect-zc

Cf "Layla" (riff-rockin first half, languid second half)