nomination and discussion thread for possible top 100 electronic dance tracks of the 00s

quite an unwieldy term "electronic dance" but what can you do

i'm not taking ownership of the process, just responding to our dear durr durr durr's request to get it rolling

feel free to

1) nominate tracks (i'll start a google doc to keep track)

2) argue about the scope of such an exercise and bitch about terminology

3) make suggestions about the process and point system

electronic dance

so for starters i suggest rather than setting a nomination deadline immediately we shoot for a (somewhat arbitrary) minimum number of nominations and see how many people are on board with this

then if and when we get a certain critical mass we can set a two week deadline from there

xpost to nach

LET THE WILD RUMPUS BITCHFEST AND BUTTHURT BEGIN

oh god

please oh please restrict the scope to just minimal

as long as poney is top 5 i'm happy

just microhouse

yes but what is minimal? are steve reich and yo la tengo not also minimal?

but but but r&b is made with computers and people dance to it DO YOU SER

damn you clumsy fingers, damn you to hell

ok nominations so far

ame - rej
vitalic - poney

have sworn off poll threads, but fuccit. are there established point score systems from past polls we can adopt?

'electronic dance' is definition enough. i'm sure it's an interesting semantic argument for aspies to have, but really we innately know what's on the table here.

no we don't

yah i think 'shuffle 10 resident advisor eoy lists' prob covers it but u know dont get upset if those obtuse ilxors get off on nominating cher lloyd or russell haswell or w/e

re: mechanics there is more than one established system and i haven't participated in other polls myself so i'm hoping people can come to consensus on it cause otherwise i'm liable to just copy the most recent high-profile poll

re: stupid noms i'm not sure if everyone is comfortable w me or someone else editing the list BUT if you nominate wm basinski rest assured I will hunt you down and make you pay

srsly though i think it would be pointless (for example) to try to argue about whether squarepusher should be included, no doubt people will nominate stuff in the IDM zone and the pop music zone and if that stuff ends up winning the poll c'est la vie

otm

i should say i'm inclined not i'm liable, like i said i would rather this be a consensus / community thing rather than just take the reins

Lindstrøm - I Feel Space

where do we stand on remixes?

in what sense??

thank you for creating this, late great. really appreciate it. here's my input:

-"electronic dance" is just too wide of a scope. beside, RA has already done that for us. so I suggest restricting it to techno and house only.

-two weeks deadline is okay.

-10 nominations per person.

and please be as honest as you can. don't write off a track just because it's a mega hit. if you love "who's afraid of detroit?" then go for it.

k but what about ukg? is it house? what about two step? drum and bass? trance?

also why the 10 nomination limit? seems to me limiting votes would be much smarter than limiting candidates

two week limit is fine IMO, should we just say 5/1/2012 (or 1/5 if you're in a barbarian country?)

actually maybe not smarter but just more practical

idea is to spread a wide net and then narrow it, for example prisoneer might know about 25 hard techno tracks the rest of us might have forgotten to list

i like how it went from hugest scope ever in dance music to a relatively dinky scope in dance music

errr house is house and ukg is ukg. and I don't think there's any doubt whether dnb and trance count as house/techno. I mean, really?

sorry, I mean 10 votes per person. about the candidates, do we really have to set it? why don't we just make it free to pick from all house/techno tracks available?

guess what i'm getting at is that if we really want to be inclusive and comprehensive limiting noms seems counterproductive

we want people to think hard about their votes, this preliminary stage should be like "oh yeah what about THAT killer track?!?" not like "oh shit maybe i should hold off on my noms in case i forgot some track or other" or "damn i forgot crazy frog will someone nominate it for me"

i think the best (and most common) voting method is giving a set number of points (50?) to distribute among tracks as you see fit

but yeah i dunno the scope question is a tough one and i'd like to let people like tim and lex who have been very active on dance threads and who often advocate for things like ukg to weigh in on it too

and then there's the question of FRANKENDANCE

well i will nominate these big dumb obvious choices:

the mfa - the difference it makes (superpitcher remix)
delia gonzalez and gavin russom - relevee (carl craig remix)
ada - i love asphalt
cortney tidwell - don't let stars keep us tangled up (ewan pearson remix)
vitalic - la rock 01
hystereo - winters in the city
antena - camino del sol (joakim remix)
jurgen paape - so weit wie noch nie
alan braxe and fred falke - rubicon
kiki - gas 126

why i was asking about remixes, btw

seems a little weird to have a "best dance tracks poll" and NOT have remixes imo. unless you were talking about what would happen if multiple versions of a track get nominated?

no, i was just wondering if i would nom, say, that Jaques Lu Cont remix of "Mr. Brightside".

really worried about people being sniffy.

let them sniff, imo

remixes are fine

different remixes are different tracks on a record so they are separate in terms of both nomination and vote

I don't really get what you mean about nominations and candidates but I'm flexible about it, really. It's the scope that I'm concerned about. I just think that there are countless "top dance tracks" lists already and do we really want to see one more? With only house and techno it just feels more focused and "purer."

The points idea sounds good.

I think the problem with "let's keep it house and techno" is that while it may seem obvious to some that drum & bass or UKG aren't applicable, I don't think the position of uk funky or post-dubstep or electro-house are nearly so clear cut, but I get the impression from durr durr durr that he'd want all of these excluded.

And then, if uk funky is excluded, should we also exclude Dennis Ferrer? And if we have a different position, what's the basis?

This comes down to 'what does durr durr durr (or anyone else) really want out of this poll' - I don't think 'house/techno' is a particularly clear answer.

Alter Ego - Rocker
Luomo - Tessio

criteria should be 'bangin' tunes you tear up the dancefloor to'

^^agree with this

And then, if uk funky is excluded, should we also exclude Dennis Ferrer?

...wut

anyway this makes a lot more sense now that i see the orig request for a nomination thread came from the house/techno bobbins thread

why would we exclude garage or etc? that shit doesn't even make sense to me.

yes, tim. I want uk funky and post-dubstep excluded, as much as I like both. but I think electrohouse (booka shade, etc) belongs in this poll. as well as Dennis Ferrer. I mean, he's as house as house can be in my ears.

anyway this makes a lot more sense now that i see the orig request for a nomination thread came from the house/techno bobbins thread

― fauxmarc, Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:59 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes, that can be a good parameter. anything that belongs in the house/techno bobbins threads, belongs here. there, I think we have our scope. what do you think, late great?

we can have a "dance partisans" poll later, ha.

i could mostly give less of a fuck about the bobbins thread :/

i don't see the point in having seperate polls tho

i mean, i think v's original formulation is pretty straightforward

Not sure that post was supposed to go there, was half written post in my phone...

I want to see a youtube clip of NV dancing to Mike Leigh's Naked

nobody wants to see that, let's be honest

Yeah, if your nominations are missing, just put them in, or mention it here (but again, if you have no intention of voting for it, probably no point of having it there).

While I think submitting 50 track list first solves a lot of problems, I doubt people are willing to submit a list, and then submit another one.

lol@venetian snares

that Slowhouse record is good, forgot about that, tho i can never remember which track is which

Just let people vote and spare the endless handwringing.

Like when magazines or websites do these sorts of lists people are basically free to vote for anything with no nominations process and those turn out alright*, the number of nominations is a red herring.

*Okay they are often lame but not as a result of having too many options to vote for.

Yeah, at this point the nomination system is kind of... well, pointless (other than giving a convenient advice list to refresh people's memories).

but yeah, OTM.

And why did someone 0_o my Poison Dart/Skeng noms? The former is definitely top 50 material.

I see two Knife songs have been flagged as "popish". I'm pretty sure they're Lutheran.

ba dum TSSSSSSSSS ;-)

poison dart / skeng is post-dancehall NOM DENIED

spare the endless handwringing

b-b-but if we did this there would be no ILX

lol wth how does venetian snares not count

"Venetian Snares is electronic music and you could dance to it if you wanted to hmmmm??? do you see?????"

dancing to ragga/jump up/breakcore is not some foreign thing that people decidedly don't dance to unless they're trying to make a point reserved for hypotheticals, like i don't even understand where people can come from with this unless they've been to zero dnb parties ever at which point how can you get all decider-er on anyone's appropriate place in edm

did anyone get round to starting a spotify list for all this stuff?

so, what have I missed here?

I think Coal was pointing and laughing at Venetian Snares rather than making a point about their eligibility.

Okay, here's a start on a spotify playlist, let me know if it works:

spotify:user:lumpygravy:playlist:1y6YgTuBxq8bmwdTnKbJrX

Only got to the end of adding the A's before I got horribly bored, but I might do more another time. Only 50% of the tracks were available (39 out of 78). Feel free to chip in...

Poxy link:

http://open.spotify.com/user/lumpygravy/playlist/1y6YgTuBxq8bmwdTnKbJrX

Would it be really bad form if I abandoned alphabetical order and just added ones I nominated?

(I think I know the answer to that, but I can't see us ever working through the whole alphabet)

M83 - Run Into Flowers Midnight Fuck Remix By Jackson

this thread

dave aju - crazy place (luciano remix)

this is huge

hooj choons

I think Coal was pointing and laughing at Venetian Snares rather than making a point about their eligibility.

― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Friday, April 27, 2012 4:47 PM

Everything is eligible imo even this crap

You get the noms you deserve, whatever people decide is suitable is de facto suitable because its whatever ILX thinks is suitable and if that means Hot Chip and Venetian Snares instead of Mr G or Mike Dunn there's nothing wrong with that, its what ILX is into

hystereo - gonna love you
supra 1 - still believe ( phantom remix )
caro - my little castle

kerrier district (luke vibert) - dick
mariah carey - h.a.t.e.u. (chew fu stop hatin' mix)

Not particularly fashionable atm but:

Justice - Waters Of Nazareth

connan mockasin - forever dolphin love (erol alkan extended rework) http://youtu.be/pVu5BXppxyg

Metro Area - Orange Alert (DFA Remix)
Pet Shop Boys - Minimal (Tocadisco's Sunday at Space Mix)

two that *might* be up for debate:

Phoenix - Lisztomania (Classixx Version)
Justice - D.A.N.C.E. (Alan Braxxe Remix)

Calling late great to proceed with this poll

Some of these nominations are a bit on the poppy side, and I'm dubious that any nominations at this late date will gather any consensus, but only about half of my favorites were already covered above:

Kylie Minogue - Slow (Chemical Brothers remix)
Blondie - Heart of Glass (Jesse Garcia Electric Spain remix)
Offer Nissim - Perfect Love
Rihanna - Don't Stop the Music (Jody Den Broeder Big Room mix)
Missill - Glitch (feat. Jahcoozi)
ATFC feat. Rae - Giv Me Luv (Ocean Trench Mix)
The Amplifetes - Somebody New (Claes Rosen Vocal remix)
Count Funkula - Corruption
StoneBridge - Put 'Em High (JJ 12" mix)
DJ Sneak - Fix My Sink
Sylvie Marks & Hal 9000 - Baby I'm Electric
Mylo - Drop the Pressure (Rex the Dog mix)
Trentemøller - Rykketid
Classixx - I'll Get You feat. Jepp
Jeremy Glenn - New Life (Perseus 'Summer of 83' remix)
Pablo Calamari - I Bought My Wife on the Black Market (Dcup mix)
Body Language - Social Studies (Plastic Plates remix)

poll closes at the stroke of midnight GMT on may 2 2012

wait, our votes have to be in by then?

nominations for the poll I mean

phew. reassessing some of these tracks takes longer when they're all 9 minutes.

some big tunes before this closes:

depeche mode - enjoy the silence (ewan pearson remix)
Minimal Man - Make a Move
Carl Craig - Sandstorms
Kings of Tomorrow - Finally
St Germain - Rose Rouge
Funk D'Void - Diabla
Moodymann - J.A.N.
Pépé Bradock - Life

Hold on, you're complaining about other people's choices not being electronic enough, and you're nominating "Rose Rouge"? (Not that I've anything against it, brilliant tune!)

But but, isn't it jazzy/deep house? I've never complained about some tracks being "not electronic enough" anyway. Maybe you mean not EDM enough.

i was thinking of nom'ing sandstorms, life and JAN the other day, but got sidetracked, so thx

Henrik Schwarz - Stop Look And Listen
Rhythm And Sound - Poor People Must Work (Carl Craig Remix)
Martyn - Seventy Four (Redshape Mix)
Panda Bear - Bros
The Field - Kappsta
Pantha Du Prince – Eisbaden

i like how you try to sneak panda bear in behind a few excellent choices

progress? anything? late great

wait until the weekend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR8jOJZERhs

cool :)

Thanks NickB for building up that spotify playlist

Erm.... just a link here for anyone else (like me) who wasn't aware of the new thread:
review of nominations and VOTING for (very nebulously defined) ELECTRONIC DANCE TRACKS of the 00s

thank you NBS