Who is really better at KICKING ASS?
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 24 May 2012 20:04 (thirteen years ago)
*names country not listed in OP*
*waits for people to kiss my ass*
― frogbs, Thursday, 24 May 2012 20:06 (thirteen years ago)
^^wonder twin powers activate
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 24 May 2012 21:54 (thirteen years ago)
America
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 24 May 2012 21:57 (thirteen years ago)
http://livemusiciancentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/american-flag-les-paul.jpg
― tylerw, Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:02 (thirteen years ago)
hahahaha m@tt
― I want L'interieur chicken, not Hausu chicken (jjjusten), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:03 (thirteen years ago)
I'm going with America too. Though the Beatles and Culture Club are forces to be reckoned with, they cannot compare with America's G. Love and the Special Sauce
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:05 (thirteen years ago)
I think things are fairly equal across a lot of different genres but as far as rap, jazz and blues go, Britain doesn't really stand a chance.
― You can do it Sun Myung Moon (NickB), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:09 (thirteen years ago)
He said rather earnestly.
Is there any good US reggae?
― You can do it Sun Myung Moon (NickB), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:10 (thirteen years ago)
Oh, Wackies I guess.
― You can do it Sun Myung Moon (NickB), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:11 (thirteen years ago)
America no contest. I dunno even really know what pre-1960s British music is like but I'm pretty sure it sucks next to Muddy Waters, Chuck Berry, Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Frank Sinatra etc
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:12 (thirteen years ago)
plus the Carter Family, Hank Williams, the Louvin Brothers
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:13 (thirteen years ago)
^ this
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:15 (thirteen years ago)
poor skiffle never had a chance
― I want L'interieur chicken, not Hausu chicken (jjjusten), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:22 (thirteen years ago)
UK had a damn good run from the mid 60s through the late 80s though - at least when we limit the field to rock & electronic pop
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:24 (thirteen years ago)
UK get easily trounced in classical music too. Britten puts up a good fight I think, but he's always going to get overwhelmed by Gershwin and Cage and Cowell and Feldman etc
― You can do it Sun Myung Moon (NickB), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:30 (thirteen years ago)
I am trying and I honestly cannot name a pre-Beatles British recording artist. I thought maybe Al Bowlly, but nope.
― Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:31 (thirteen years ago)
Lonnie Donegan! Johnny Kidd & the Pirates!
― You can do it Sun Myung Moon (NickB), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:32 (thirteen years ago)
Lots of funny music hall types too.
― You can do it Sun Myung Moon (NickB), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:33 (thirteen years ago)
Wait, are we counting terrible music as minus points here?
― You can do it Sun Myung Moon (NickB), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:34 (thirteen years ago)
Vera Lynn
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:34 (thirteen years ago)
What ever became of her?
― Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:36 (thirteen years ago)
Defected to Moscow in 1973.
― You can do it Sun Myung Moon (NickB), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:38 (thirteen years ago)
madonna changed teams >:(
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:39 (thirteen years ago)
i thought vera lynn was in pink floyd
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:40 (thirteen years ago)
When did Mr. Acker Bilk start?
Actually I've got a pretty amazing box of early 20th Century London music hall stuff -- amazing in theory, anyway; I've never been able to get through it. Beyond that, pre-"Telstar" or whatever, I'm clueless when it comes to Britishers. And American music pre-1950 is a whole world.
― xhuxk, Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:40 (thirteen years ago)
Vera Lynn's still alive. She had a No. 1 record in '09.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:41 (thirteen years ago)
What a ridiculous thread. Which language do you generally use when you decide to kick arse? I will give you Miles, techno and some of the best ever garage bands. But the rest can just fuck off, and that includes Bob Dylan.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:43 (thirteen years ago)
When you think of Porter and Holliday and Armstrong and Ella and Bing and MGM musicals etc..., even early 20th century pop music is pretty amazing
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:44 (thirteen years ago)
Hah! Inferiority complex.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:46 (thirteen years ago)
Qui, moi?
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:47 (thirteen years ago)
They weren't recording artists but the UK also had Holst, Vaughan Williams, and Elgar in the early 20th century. I'd keep The Planets but easily take the best of Ives, Cowell, Joplin, Gershwin, and Ellington over these. Otherwise, yeah, I was also scratching my head trying to think of major musical contributions from the UK between 1900 and 1960. It was troubling me. (I don't know Walton well enough but do like some things by him.)
France or Germany vs the US would be an interesting match.
9xpost OK, yeah, I know there was "music hall stuff" but I don't think I can actually name much of it.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:47 (thirteen years ago)
even early 20th century pop music is pretty amazing
Especially early 20th century pop!
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:48 (thirteen years ago)
This is silly. Please stop.
― kraudive, Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:49 (thirteen years ago)
Well yeah. Killing time.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:49 (thirteen years ago)
Also Copland in the States.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:49 (thirteen years ago)
Oh yeah, Copland.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:51 (thirteen years ago)
What's really odd, actually, is that a country with a relatively shallow musical tradition (Purcell, Hayden-if you count him, Gilbert & Sullivan) in terms of wide-reaching popularity suddenly became very, very good at pop in the early 60's.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:51 (thirteen years ago)
The English and after Burns, the Scots may have been considered in the first rank of writing in European culture, second tier in painting, but English music hadn't exactly made much of dent elsewhere.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:52 (thirteen years ago)
It is silly and arrogant. Geeky US arrogance, but it is still amusing.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:53 (thirteen years ago)
Amuse qui peut
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:54 (thirteen years ago)
so far, there's only one real outburst of geek arrogance itt...
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:56 (thirteen years ago)
I was amazed by a Last FM app that put my listening of German music just a little above both UK and US stuff. I'm English btw.
― kraudive, Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:56 (thirteen years ago)
Hayden-if you count him
You mean Handel, surely?
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:57 (thirteen years ago)
Love Max is the ultimate know everything student, good at playing asperger trumps but lacking in class. Way to fucking quote pal!
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:58 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.commercialobserver.com/files/2012/04/man-yawning.jpg
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:59 (thirteen years ago)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZZ-CqtHjAnk/SVKW9PA3S8I/AAAAAAABOvg/zRmmZQRGxtY/s400/David+Hasselhoff.jpg
― earlnash, Thursday, 24 May 2012 22:59 (thirteen years ago)
To really answer this question, you should be asking the Japanese, they would know.
― earlnash, Thursday, 24 May 2012 23:00 (thirteen years ago)
I am trying and I honestly cannot name a pre-Beatles British recording artist
There was apparently some dude named George Formby.
― Never translate Dutch (jaymc), Thursday, 24 May 2012 23:00 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFzk1eh9UDE&feature=relmfu
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 May 2012 00:00 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoF_a0-7xVQ&feature=relmfu
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 May 2012 00:01 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X4s3D7xPUQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSh-YsyjpXk
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 May 2012 00:02 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KUL9-eNXzQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrtaMTYBU-A
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 May 2012 00:05 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKV7vt1kHnk
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 May 2012 00:06 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nyeSGaBcrA
― You can do it Sun Myung Moon (NickB), Friday, 25 May 2012 00:07 (thirteen years ago)
Ahhh! The Insane Clown Posse. Remarkable people.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 25 May 2012 00:09 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0&ob=av2e
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 May 2012 00:09 (thirteen years ago)
lol for the record i was trying to post blink 182
dr. feelgood is kinda the british zz top i guess
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 May 2012 00:10 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GohBkHaHap8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegGwZnySmk
― You can do it Sun Myung Moon (NickB), Friday, 25 May 2012 00:10 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BmxN3E548I
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 May 2012 00:12 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28Rh9zRdXxA
― You can do it Sun Myung Moon (NickB), Friday, 25 May 2012 00:13 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thnb3UlH2zE
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 May 2012 00:13 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGbrFmPBV0Y
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 May 2012 00:15 (thirteen years ago)
i would take the opressed over john fahey and the 4skins over mission of burma.
― scott seward, Friday, 25 May 2012 00:16 (thirteen years ago)
there are like 5 zillion brit bands better than mission of burma.
― scott seward, Friday, 25 May 2012 00:17 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs9PMky7Fj0
― You can do it Sun Myung Moon (NickB), Friday, 25 May 2012 00:17 (thirteen years ago)
i agree skot if yr limiting the argument to rock music from like 64 to 84 or w/e it's very very close but if it's 20th century it's just not even close
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 May 2012 00:22 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEnk8faDEtg
― You can do it Sun Myung Moon (NickB), Friday, 25 May 2012 00:23 (thirteen years ago)
that's what i was just thinking! 64 to 84 is total brit supremacy. then everything goes to hell.
― scott seward, Friday, 25 May 2012 00:25 (thirteen years ago)
20 years of genius. its weird kinda.
― scott seward, Friday, 25 May 2012 00:26 (thirteen years ago)
can america claim motorhead, ac/dc? esp. if band members are now US citizens?
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 25 May 2012 00:39 (thirteen years ago)
Well the economy is fucked again, so there might be some period of greatness again. There are people who want a 300ft statue of Lee Brilleaux in Southend.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 25 May 2012 00:58 (thirteen years ago)
that's a great idea tbh
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 May 2012 01:26 (thirteen years ago)
is that a member of kasabian?
― scott seward, Friday, 25 May 2012 01:31 (thirteen years ago)
dr. feelgood singer
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 May 2012 01:32 (thirteen years ago)
oh right. i would help pay for a wilco johnson statue.
― scott seward, Friday, 25 May 2012 01:38 (thirteen years ago)
there should at least be a mount rushmore for status quo in england. carve their faces onto the side of a cliff somewhere.
― scott seward, Friday, 25 May 2012 01:39 (thirteen years ago)
right into the white cliffs of Dover
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 25 May 2012 01:46 (thirteen years ago)
I would love to see a 300 ft William Burroughs statue in some desolate northern town, with a shotgun in his hand and with a banner underneath inscribed: "There is nothing more provocative than minding your own business".
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 25 May 2012 02:01 (thirteen years ago)
Did Joni Mitchell ever become a US citizen?? I'm not sure she should count as American music.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 25 May 2012 02:51 (thirteen years ago)
Have Doctor & the Medics been factored into all of this?
― clemenza, Friday, 25 May 2012 02:53 (thirteen years ago)
they are! it's like dawn of the dead over here.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Friday, 25 May 2012 03:07 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99j0zLuNhi8
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Friday, 25 May 2012 03:08 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5EgASje8MQ
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Friday, 25 May 2012 03:10 (thirteen years ago)
She's lived in LA for decades, but also owns property in BC, so my guess is that she has dual citizenship.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 25 May 2012 03:52 (thirteen years ago)
revive!
on reflection, I agree with many of you that America wins this in a landslide if we count all kinds of music. But if we are only talking about rock music, it's much less clear to me. But American Nuggets is better than British Nuggets, so it's still America in my book.
― Poliopolice, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 15:45 (twelve years ago)
I'm realizing now that there are surprisingly few British musicians I could name that aren't part of rock or pop genres.
― Poliopolice, Friday, 15 November 2013 21:57 (eleven years ago)
another consideration, I suppose, is how good these countries were about committing their music to record. it's entirely possible that a shit-ton of great music from each country was never properly recorded
― Poliopolice, Friday, 15 November 2013 22:00 (eleven years ago)
― EveningStar (Sund4r), 25. toukokuuta 2012 1:47 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Dude, Britain had arguably the greatest classical composer born in the 20th century, who did many wonderful works before 1960 (and after that too)!
http://classicalcomposersmonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Benjamin_Britten.jpg
― Tuomas, Saturday, 16 November 2013 01:07 (eleven years ago)
American punks >>> British punks
But British post-punks >>> American post-punks
So I don't know
― paolo, Saturday, 16 November 2013 11:00 (eleven years ago)
Fuck it I'm going to say Britain because of jungle and garage
― paolo, Saturday, 16 November 2013 11:01 (eleven years ago)
Dude, Britain had arguably the greatest classical composer born in the 20th century
"Arguably", that's what I call understatement
― Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Saturday, 16 November 2013 11:27 (eleven years ago)
bests
― a strident purist when it comes to band-related shirts (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 16 November 2013 11:29 (eleven years ago)
versuses
― a strident purist when it comes to band-related shirts (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 16 November 2013 11:30 (eleven years ago)
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