RUSH vs. YES vs. THE GRATEFUL DEAD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poPCStBHfmI

rush. yes is ok in short bursts, which is something they dont do. the greatful dead is fucking horrible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v8Wden1LFs

RUSH

Yes. How is this even a question? The other two are revolting!

I love Rush, like Yes, absolutely abhor the Dead

RUSH

dead

but then again I am required by innate biology to love bands who write songs called "By-Tor and the Snow Dog"

rush fans are hippies?

let the fray begin

I want to say I hate them all, but I don't. I like some stuff by each of them. No clear winner, no clear loser. I have the most teenage nostalgia for Rush, so them I guess.

I like The Fray a lot more than I like the Dead

lol the Dead are literally the only one of these three with any decent songs at all

otm

rush fans are hippies?

no, but tripsters are likely to own rush albums, according to that weird poll.

jerry couldn't play the clap even with an *extra* finger, maaaaaan

I would also lay odds that many people who really "hate the Dead,", if they happened upon a party where Help On the Way/Slipknot/Franklin's Tower were playing, would think "this is a good tune, great vibe, really enjoying this" until they realized it was the Dead, at which point they would resume fronting

lol the Dead are literally the only one of these three with any decent songs at all

x1000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKCvJ7IONnM

fragile / yes album / yessongs

vs

anthem of sun / live dead / workingman's dead / american beauty

vs

fly by night / 2112 / hemispheres

DJP gets a pass tho because it really is the case that nobody in the Dead can sing

Bob and Jerry can kinda sing! Sometimes!

I wish my voice sounded like Jerry's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO-7CV1IUl8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niI2yEEJtYE

aero i would take your dead challenge but then i would have to go to the sort of parties where people might play dead songs and then well look what my life hath wrought

xpost i think all the ones i posted are pretty decent albums but from there on all three groups get dire (tom sawyer aside)

i think i like yes the best, they bring the fucking power even though grateful dead bring the spiritual and rush bring the laughs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZK8UmvTocQ

geddy and jon anderson are . . . acquired tastes

jjj bringin the fire

I feel like the ILX challops answer is Rush and the cool guy answer is the Dead and the right answer is Yes

the scene around the dead and rush can be pretty lame, yes fans iirc growing up were like working class dad type dudes w/ led zeppelin and hendrix albums and maybe a copy of bitches' brew and headhunters

dead fans = boring hippies, rush fans = mad prog composer types who play bass and have hairy cheeks

elephant in room

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELpmmeT69cE

you forgot george jefferson

other elephant in room

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu9Ycq64Gy4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4SqDx1vi4c

elephants are cool.

Buggles joining the Dead would be awesome

one time my friends and i went to a best of the twin cities show at first avenue and one of the bands playing was this awful 12 person jam band fire-twirling and acrobatic nightmare named Wookiefoot and as they played a cover of "Scarlet Begonias" my friend mike started loudly and drunkenly bitching about the horror and a hippie near us retaliated by dumping an entire vial of patchouli on jeff and we all had to share a cab ride home in the winter with all the windows rolled up.

and thats what i think about the Greatful Dead.

i definitely listen to the Dead a lot more, but nothing they've done has even come close to Close To The Edge

don't blame the band for their fans is all i'm saying

there's an off-campus student co-op (not owned by university) at stanford called "box of rain" (helpfully spray painted onto a plywood sign on the lawn)

i heard a rumor there's like four others and they're all named after dead songs and the owner is a rich steve jobs deadhead type but i never found the others

I would also lay odds that many people who really "hate the Dead,", if they happened upon a party where Help On the Way/Slipknot/Franklin's Tower were playing, would think "this is a good tune, great vibe, really enjoying this" until they realized it was the Dead, at which point they would resume fronting

― tallarico dreams (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:54 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I lived in a house where this party happened every week. It took me a long time to recover from it enough to realize that I at least liked St. Stephen and Til the Morning Comes

xp jjjusten sounds like you made the mistake of sobriety at that show

I can say with certainty that, even though I wasn't there, sobriety was not a mistake jjj made at that show

lol the Dead are literally the only one of these three with any decent songs at all

― tallarico dreams (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:52 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

― tylerw, Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:52 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hahahahahaahaha, looooollllllllllllllll.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxTu9bVcwU0

oh my god

you guys we may need a Wookiefoot thread

I like the Dead a ton, but come on, that's horseshit.

bluegrass banjo player/folk singer, teenage jug band guitarist, college modern composition trained musician learning bass on the job, juicehead r&b/blues enthusiast, marching band drummer and rock and roll drummer.

http://www.ravensingstheblues.com/pics/eternal400.jpg

vs

http://www.psychedelicfolk.com/cd/no_neck_blues_band_inner_sleeve.jpg

vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoXI8k9uh4Q

this is actually more like it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa_orXC2ZCM

The thing is--and I don't mean this as a criticism of whoever started it--putting the Grateful Dead with these other two bands just doesn't make sense to me.

i started it, but i was only quoting the doofus who wrote the questionnaire in that "tripster" article on the hippie thread. i don't think the dead has much in common with rush and yes.

btw: zero of the signified and i are watching the yes: classic artists documentary right now. it's 3 hours, 24 minutes long and we're 2 hours, 23 minutes in. break time!

One thing that Yes, Rush and the Grateful Dead have in common: they all have vocals that are a bit of an acquired taste.

and more importantly - yes is still good in the 80s

Better than good; they put out their far-and-away best single in the 80s.

man i'm listening to dick's picks vol. 8 and i have a beer in my hand and i'm just having a good fucking time

i have never had this good of a time to yes

i have had good times to rush but those good times are sort of softened by how reluctantly i receive neil peart lyrics

I love you contenderizer. Have you ever tripped dicks?

― defriend the undefriendable (how's life), Saturday, August 4, 2012 4:00 PM (3 hours ago)

i love you, too. and yes. the last time, i was listening to six organs of admittance in a darkened room w some friends and became convinced that time had stopped. the more i thought about it, the more certain i became that time had in fact never progressed, and this one single chasny twinkle moment was all that had ever existed. this terrified me, and i fled. wound up walking home five miles in the middle of the night, alone, believing that i was dead, that i was only the memory of my life remembering itself.

so maybe i'm just not psychologically suited to the dead

not sure I hear it yet but many thanks to all folks explaining the appeal of the dead. gonna keep at it.

great thread btw.

"All Good People" kind of swings.

Agreed, kind of a prog shuffle

alright, "sing me back home" is gorgeous

check out the old renaissance faire grounds version - 8/27/72 - if you get a chance

for years i thought "I've Seen All Good People" was, like, CSN or something

I could see that

Sing Me Back Home is a great song, they do an ok job but 99percent of the credit goes to Merle

I will challenge anybody on this board for the title of biggest Merle Haggard stan but c'mon Merle never stretched that song out to ten minutes, again it's about groove. Nobody in the Grateful Dead is even 1/1000 the singer Merle Haggard is, what they do with Sing Me Back Home is ~explore the space~

I think Merle's bands and the entire Bakersfield sounds is all about groove, and space, and serving the song, and singing it better, and playing it better, and to suggest that the Dead are somehow like more advanced than Merle is borderline being a guitar mag side who thinks Zack Wylde is a better guitar player than Neil Young

Plus Merle live gets a little jammy in an awesome western swing way

lol the Dead are literally the only one of these three with any decent songs at all
― tallarico dreams (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, July 26, 2012

x1000
― Mr. Que, Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:55 PM

I love 90% of Rush's discography, scattered eras of the Dead's career, but only about 20% of Yes' oeuvre.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:20 PM

the dead x1m not even gonna read what all horrible people have said itt
― lag∞n, Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:29 PM

...maybe pushes me closer to the 90/20/20%. Though come to think of it, there is no Dead that I outright love. To me they're like ... fiber. Sometimes you just need it.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, July 27, 2012 9:47 AM

I will challenge anybody on this board for the title of biggest Merle Haggard stan but c'mon Merle never stretched that song out to ten minutes, again it's about groove. Nobody in the Grateful Dead is even 1/1000 the singer Merle Haggard is, what they do with Sing Me Back Home is ~explore the space~
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, August 5, 2012

mathematical certainty itt

It occurs to me that Rush vs Yes vs Zappa might be a better comparison, if you wanted to pit an American artist who started in the 60s against Rush and Yes.

Thread started:
Rush vs Yes vs Zappa

Zappa's going to get his ass handed to him in that thread I predict but I've been listening to Burnt Weeny Sandwich and going fucking nuts about it, as long as you can get him to stfu he's the fucking best

(Posted my agreement on the thread. I don't know Burnt Weeny Sandwich though.)

music that sounds as though it were played on a lawn, in the swelterning mid-afternoon of a really hot day. a lot of dead stuff sounds as though it were recorded during a bbq, when everybody was feeling all turgid from the food, booze, weed and heat, and the instruments had become these molten, floppy dali blobs suitable only for slow oozing. it's a quality hear in a lot of trancey, jammy psychedelic rock, but also in reggae and mariachi music.

This is 100% otm but I also think I kinda love what you're describing

I think Merle's bands and the entire Bakersfield sounds is all about groove, and space, and serving the song, and singing it better, and playing it better, and to suggest that the Dead are somehow like more advanced than Merle is borderline being a guitar mag side who thinks Zack Wylde is a better guitar player than Neil Young

yeah, the song is gorgeous either way, no doubt about it. and merle deserves much of the credit, clearly. but slowing it down to a oozing, humid, post-bbq wheezing mass (love this description as well, def 100% otm) sure is a neat trick.

will seek out the '72 renaissance faire version (lol) as well, thanks for that.

I think Merle's bands and the entire Bakersfield sounds is all about groove, and space, and serving the song, and singing it better, and playing it better, and to suggest that the Dead are somehow like more advanced than Merle is borderline being a guitar mag side who thinks Zack Wylde is a better guitar player than Neil Young

lol zakk wylde is a better guitar player than neil young

we can have a poll about it where everybody votes that neil young rules because they like his music better though

the v I posted above of Sing Me Back Home is the ren fair 72 v

Aero you just sideways dissed merle to play captain save a black label society, I'm worried about your judgment lately....your mother and I are concerned about these ”dead head” friends of yours, and now we hear you've been skipping cross country practice

I am very not OK with the outcome of this poll :-(

you know i've never listened to '74 dead before today (always stuck to my gateway, '77, and everybody's favorite, '72) and i'mma say if you stan for bitches brew-ish fusion and you can't get down with this, smdh @ u forever

meanwhile instead of glowering at anti-dead people i'm also going to take this time to say '74 DEAD IS SO MY SHIT OH MY GOD

Aero you just sideways dissed merle to play captain save a black label society, I'm worried about your judgment lately....your mother and I are concerned about these ”dead head” friends of yours, and now we hear you've been skipping cross country practice

I would never sideways dis Merle! if I meet up with Merle and he tells me he heard I sideways dissed him I am going to be so cross w/you

Man, I saw Merle Haggard play a week ago, and the sound was so bad people were walking out. Merle himself pulled a reverse hip-hop and yelled at the soundman to "turn my goddamn mic down!" Not long after that I went back to the board to see if it sounded better, and there there was a guy angrily chastising the sound guy. "Merle Haggard is a motherfucking living legend, and you're making him sound like shit!" Etc.

Notorious venue for bad sound. Merle at one point mentioned attempting a soundcheck earlier, but it was no use. Still, I've heard sound OK there before, so it's possible. Tragic, really.

I would just like to thank all the Deadheads in this thread for introducing me to stuff I never would have checked out on my own cause I had long written off the GD. Pretty into this live '72 stuff TBH -- but I still would have voted for Yes anyway...

let's rent the thread out and pay the server costs

xp Merle Haggard doesn't have his own sound guy?!

You know, I think a lot of these old school guys often work with what they've got. They don't travel with their own board, or huge PA or whatever.

http://listentothedead.com/1974/6/20/brown-eyed-women

this is.. the most amazing website.. i have ever seen. hello springtime!

Whooooaaaa. That is kind of amazing. I just plugged some shit in to test it out, and this just may get me back on the Dead train for quite a while. Stepping away for now though, too much to do to get sucked in.

http://listentothedead.com/1967/6/18-2/cold-rain-and-snow

^^ dope early gig

"early"

Hah, I jumped right to 1967 myself! 10-22-1967 to be exact. Specifically for the Morning Dew, which I have always loved for some reason despite how fast it is.

Now digging into that set you posted Ian, as I love Alligator. Definitely had that on tape at some point in my life, but I haven't dug into any of these in a long long time. I guess by stepping away I meant just playing the shit that I know I love by the Dead already and not searching for random songs. Dangerous site.

"Looks Like Rain" is such a gorgeous tune but enjoyment of it decreases depending on how audible the lyrics are

Did you ever waken to the sound of street cats making love
And guess from their cries you were listening to a fight
Well you know, hate's just the last thing they're thinking of
They're only trying to make it through the night

no dude. It's that the male cat has barbs on his penis. their cries are not cries of pleasure you hippie fuck

Weir's singing is almost always a tough sell for me, the later the period the moreso, regardless of whether I pay attention to the lyrics themselves or not. Music for "Looks Like Rain" is pretty for sure though.

lol the Dead are literally the only one of these three with any decent songs at all

― tallarico dreams (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:52 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is a very songist comment

not even really sure what it means