― Fred D., Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
I do like the guy a lot, but I also know there are others here who know his work far better than I do, so I'll await their thoughts and recommendations with equal interest. And I want Ally to roast him, because I know she thinks he's overrated.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
anyway, i just search for the stuff on the radio and don't buy the albums, although the new missy might be the one to break that trend. i probably just lost all my cred as a 'groundbreaking pop fan'.
― ethan, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Destroy: Are You That Somebody? which is the most overrated song that ever existed in the history of mankind, ever, including Bob Dylan songs and Radiohead songs and goddamn, Nirvana too. ALL SONGS.
Timbaland is...well. He's got his good points. He's got a lot of good points and can do some pretty interesting shit. His stuff that I'm familiar with has a very icy quality which I like. BUT he's also not the most important producer who ever lived (he might not even be the most important producer around now), and a lot of his devices are ANNOYING AS HELL. See: that baby thing on AYTS. A lot of his biggest fans go on and on about it: ooh, look, it's so different, it's a BABY RATTLE AND CRYING SOUND. But then you say, well, yes, but how does that make the song good? And they'll just say it again: Well who else did it? Well maybe no one else did it because it's ANNOYING AS HELL.
So I suppose that's my main problem with the mythos of Tim. He's got some good ideas and he does some great stuff, but he also does a lot of crap stuff and then when you ask a propper about the crap stuff, they never really refute you that it's crap, they just go on and on about how "new" it is, which isn't an excuse to think anything at all is good. If I recorded the sound of my stomach growling and remixed it with Train in Vain interpolated with a dying cat and had Aaliyah moan on top of it, it'd certainly be new but it wouldn't be good.
This all makes him sound worse than he is. He's not awful. He's merely overrated, which is a difference. He's the Destiny's Child of producers.
He stays at one of my company's hotels from time to time, we see him a lot. Seems like a nice enough guy.
― Ally, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Patrick, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
I'm the kind of person who'd say SEARCH: anything with new sounds. Oh, and Tim's got 'em!
― Keiko, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Otis Wheeler, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Is it bad acts "ruining" Tim's work or Tim driving down the mediocre? You decide.
High pitched monotones are the worst kind of monotones. I mean, Stephin Merritt might be monotonic but at least he don't sound like a dog whistle.
― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
With a steady balance of innovation and accessibility, Timbaland hasn't stopped producing fresh takes on his own invention, breaking new ground and the top 40, leaving a trail for other chart producers to follow. What's sounds new (good) depends on what you've already heard.
Bangra borrowing? Nah, no more than electronica. But he does seem to shine more brightly behind his collaborators, lacking the charisma to hold the spotlight, his music highlights their assets - eg Aaliyah's vulnerability and self-doubt on We Need a Resolution, Missy's stomp on her latests and just making a joke out of Snoop. Notice he sagely keeps a low profile in Missy's atrocious video (Get UR Freak On), skulking in the backgound like Jim Steinman to her Meatloaf.
Search: I'm sure you can find which one's to search on ILM but on my stereo recently Jay-Z - Big Pimping / Snoopy Track / Hey Papi (these contain the malevolent sub-bass growl) Up jumps the Boogie - Clock strikes (spiderman track, both fun) Get on the Bus (remix) - Destiny's Child (good at the time) Pony/'You told me'? - Genuwine
Destroy: Not on my stereo - Tim's Bio (LP)
― K-reg, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Tom, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Missy - We Did It (lost towards the end of *Da Real World* this is not only the culmination of Timbaland's "eerie strings" period, but also has an amazing rhythm with an utterly cool cowbell sound. One of Missy's best songs, too)
Sincere - Party (godawful song, but pretty cool attempt by Tim to imitate Swizz Beats in "What Ya Want" style, ie. latin rhythm and a melody played on recorders. Kinda endearingly childish)
Nicole - Bangin' (although Nicole and Lil' Mo are largely interchangable, I love 'em both - Nicole stands out because Timbaland always gives her the most bizarre vocal melodies - here over strings from "Hot Boys", doomy low-end horn blares and cool exagerrated slow hip hop beats)
Nas - You Owe Me (distills his style down to the essence - a startlingly compact percussomelodic measure that positively bristles. Nas is predictably on form)
Jay-Z - It's Hot (Some Like It Hot) (Timbaland's "loosest" production; I can imagine this being used in a cowboy film for the lead-up to the shoot-out at high noon)
― Tim, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― fred solinger, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
I fail to see how a "glass harmonica" is a compliment, incidentally. I'd almost rather sound like a dog whistle - they're less annoying that harmonicas.
― Ally, Wednesday, 9 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
and as far as glass harmonicas go, i'd like to sound like one too, but that'd be a bit strange coming out of a bo-, a MAN, a full-grown MAN! (it should be noted that a glass harmonica sounds nothing like a regular harmonica; rather, it sounds more like a harmonium.)
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Dave M., Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Sterling Clover, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Omar, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― badfukinpeni, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
It's definitely an underrated track (actually the whole of Da Real World is to be honest), as well as being on of Timbaland's most adventurous productions. "You Don't Know" is pretty excellent along those lines as well.
― Tim, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Sterling Clover, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Omar, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Omar, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― , Sunday, 20 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ramosi, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― John Smith, Sunday, 3 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry, Sunday, 3 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 4 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
that said, i have timbaland and magoo's debut album, and they must be very boring people. tim has an ear for sounds, no doubt about that, but verbally he has nothing to bring to the table (both because his rhyming is stilted and because of his subject matter: he talks about picking up missy at 11:15 and then driving and then going somewhere else and meeting magoo at 3:15 and then... you get the picture)
timbaland's beats are often compared to drum and bass, but he claims not to know what that is. i wouldn't underestimate his inventiveness or originality. i don't think he spends hours listening to beats from other cultures and ripping them off. i'm very much under the impression that they're his own peculiar quirky rhythms - they're very distinctive.
search: 'we at it again' (timbaland & magoo, from romeo must die)
― minna, Monday, 4 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Aaliyah was well on her way to becoming a great, totally entertainer before her death.
"Are you that Somebody" wasn't overrated, Britney Spears is!! Shall I throw my Aaliyah cds out and buy Britney? HELL NAW!
But, we aren't supposed to like all the same artist, so carry on!
― Duchess, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― bc, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sean, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sterling Clover, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 01:35 (twenty-three years ago)
And he did that thing with beats that was new in 96 but is kinda boring, although I do like the little sine-wave synth thing in Missy Eliot's "Work It" song. He produced that, right? He's in the video, making "I'm Whistling" faces during that part, anyhow.
― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 01:45 (twenty-three years ago)
― minna (minna), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 03:03 (twenty-three years ago)
i don't think is bore out by his Wire feature, where the journalist made notes on his winamp playlist which included Gang of Four, world music and loads of other stuff he would probably claim not to know about.
i quite like Timbaland but always thought that the kinetic energy in his beats never really quite took off properly, there was something about it that always seemed a bit stunted (deliberately so?) in a way that The Neptunes don't.
― Wyndham Earl, Wednesday, 18 December 2002 07:02 (twenty-three years ago)
Not this one?
― OCP (OCP), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 07:16 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 18:02 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 19:03 (twenty-three years ago)
I don't particularly think it's that great a version, but they were supposedly working together alot then, a colab that promised so much and never delivered. I like listening to this song for the empty promise it makes.
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)
― _, Thursday, 26 December 2002 16:24 (twenty-three years ago)
1. Missy Elliot - Get Ur Freak On2. Ludacris - Rollout (My Business) 3. Bubba Sparxxx - Ugly 4. Jay-Z ft. UGK - Big Pimpin' 5. Nas ft. Ginuwine - You Owe Me 6. Ms Jade - Big Head 7. TLC - Dirty Dirty 8. Tweet - Oops (Oh My) 9. Aaliyah - We Need a Resolution 10. Justin Timberlake - Right for Me
Side B: 1. Beck - Diamond Dogs 2. LOX ft. Eve - Ryde or Die, Bitch 3. Timbaland and Magoo - We at It Again 4. Fabolous - Right Now and Later On 5. Snoop Dogg - Set It Off 6. Pastor Troy ft. Ms Jade - Are We Cuttin' 7. Destiny's Child - Say My Name (Timbaland Remix) 8. Ginuwine - What's So Different? 9. SWV ft. Missy Elliot - Can We 10. Aaliyah - One in a Million
― --_, Thursday, 26 December 2002 19:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― , Monday, 27 September 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)
you are completely out of your mind k thnx bye
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Marcus, Tuesday, 28 September 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 04:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― adam west (adamwest), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)
CD80 portable Timbaland Go!
1. Aaliyah - One In a Million2. Ginuwine - Pony3. SWV - Can We4. Missy Elliot - The Rain5. Aaliyah - Are You That Somebody?6. Jay-Z - Nigga What, Nigga Who7. Ginuwine - What's So Different8. Nas - You Won't See Me Tonight9. Missy Elliot - Hot Boyz10. Jay-Z - Big Pimpin'11. Aaliyah - Try Again12. Missy Elliot - Get Ur Freak On13. Aaliyah - We Need a Resolution14. Bubba Sparxxx - Ugly15. Tweet - Oops (Oh My)16. Justin Timberlake - Cry Me a River17. Missy Elliot - Work It18. Lil' Kim - The Jump Off
(77:13 - chronological)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― \(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)
Destroy: He's never done anything worth hating. His stuff with Magoo is let down by the rapping, obviously.
― Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― Symplistic (shmuel), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― jake b. (cerybut), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 04:27 (twenty-one years ago)
In that case, search Simple Girl.
― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 08:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― jermaine (jnoble), Friday, 18 March 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)
― Eleventy-Twelve (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 18 March 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)
― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Friday, 18 March 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)