Ween vs. Primus vs. Phish

Ween

Not Phish

Never Phish

Paramus.

Ween

― Royal Governor His Eminence and Imperial (Viceroy), Monday, August 6, 2012 8:02 PM

Not Ween

Seeing these three bands' names all in a row is not pleasant

ban some dude

the thought that ween has anything to do with the other 2 is bothersome to me. i couldn't imagine the other 2 throwing together anything that sounds like "you fucked up" or "tick" or having side projects like moistboyz or z-rock hawaii.

i feel like i've mentioned this in other threads before, but IMO ween has a lot more to do with late-80s weirdness like dead milkmen & butthole surfers.

W★E★E★N

xp they're also ariel pink before ariel pink, but like 1000x better

christ on a crutch, Dead Milkmen are 100 times better than Ween.

Ween are often brilliant although I find some of their humour really grating (same with Zappa as it happens).

I know maybe three Primus songs, file under 'Not for Me'.

Don't think I've ever heard Phish but the sleeve for Billy Breathes is the stuff of nightmares.

i love ween tho i am admittedly somewhat embarrassed to be associated w/them

They all have their embarrassing moments

ween -
Mister Richard smoker, you're a poopy poker

phish -
he dragged his weary shit-ass up the mountain

primus -
There's a scent that fills the air. Is it flatus? Just a touch.

any of these three could have coined the line "I gulped and felt my loins dissolve".

christ on a crutch, Dead Milkmen are 100 times better than Ween.

― hipstersayween? (how's life), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 3:58 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

^^^^^

this is such a lame argument to even be associated with but yalls are so off base

we're just gonna make you keep sullying yourself with reluctant defenses of ween

dragging my good name through the mud

― #1 Ween fan 4eva (lag∞n)

I don't see what Ween has to do with those bands either, but they're miles ahead and it's not even close.

They certainly have some regrettable lines (thinking mostly of "Mister Richard Smoker") but most everything else is really good

hint: this thread is a parody thread based on two other threads where the bands didn't have much to do with each other and yet whose merits were still debated with vigor.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/uponsun/Ween%20logo.jpg

I have been listening to a lot of ween lately, they are great

'aaron freeman looks like he's 70 now and had to quit this band or he would die' adds a real tragic aspect to the music

ya i saw them a few years ago and he did not look so good

Yeah, the band really has taken a toll on him, but I think Mickey's been into all the same shit and it doesn't seem to have affected him in the slightest. He did a really good interview here:

http://www.mxdwn.com/2012/07/20/features/dean-ween-speaks-out-on-weens-break-up-charter-fishing-and-uber-fan-jesse-eisenberg/

I never put anything before Ween. I dedicated twenty-eight years of my life to it. So, I don’t know. It’s common knowledge that Aaron just went away for a long stint in rehab. He’s trying to get himself sober, and get his life on track, and that extends way deeper than just Ween. And I love Aaron, he’s one of my best friends in the world, my whole life. So, I kinda thought, that maybe the band would be on ice for a year, or two, or three, or five, and I was totally cool with that. However long it took for him to be healthy and more importantly happy, I was prepared to do it, and I was going to wait for him to take the lead on it. And the next thing I know I read in Rolling Stone that he said that he was breaking up the band. And I was heartbroken. I still am. It’s only been a month. And I also knew, you shouldn’t make a decision like that, the day you get out of rehab or the week you get out, and I think he regrets it. I don’t think that you’ve seen the last of Ween. I wouldn’t be surprised if we played before the year is over to be honest with you.

think it's just "touring" that is bad for Gene, not the band Ween specifically - his rehab program comes with a sponsor that goes on the road with him on his (ill-fated) solo tour. also cf the noted disaster gig last year, Dean's comments on that, and the time abt six years ago when Deaner pulled an entire months-long tour a few days in bcz of Gene's intake as soon as they hit the road

also he looks waaaay healthier now than he did four years ago

People would discover us in a really backdoor way not even always like a good way, Beavis and Butt-head slagging us off or Phish covering one of our songs.

ha!

Or someone gave it to him.
Yeah, but that’s the norm, and I get it. That’s cool, but that’s one thing. I’m not going to complain. Every time I complain I get kicked in the balls by a million people. That was officially not a complaint. The other thing was, there was this big drama last year. Aaron got too drunk to play in Vancouver, and it got picked up by the wire services and all this. And I was laughing; do you know how many times that’s happened over the years? But that was before shit was going up on Twitter and YouTube and Facebook as quick as someone could hit send on a camera phone. And it’s funny to me that was made such a big deal of, this pivotal moment for Ween. This big crash and burn moment. It was like, God, how many times have we done that? Not even just him. Maybe it was me one time? People were asking me like somebody died? My father called me on tour, “What happened last night?” Nothing, Aaron was fucked up. Like Joe Cocker never fell down on stage from drinking too much? Did no one care? It’s different, but Ween is so old fashioned.
It’s funny because, I actually remember the day that show happened, and I saw the reviews of it. And every publication that covered it, I kind of had the same reaction. Granted that’s odd to happen at a show, that doesn’t necessarily mean anything.
It happened two hours and forty minutes into our set. We’re like forty-four songs into our set. It’s not like we couldn’t play the first song or whatever. It was like, we had put in double the amount of time on stage that most bands put in, and it mostly went all right. It’s not even really worth talking about to be honest with you. It’s just non-anything. It was a big deal and people were pissed and rightfully so. But the amount of attention it got… it wasn’t even stand-out amongst Ween meltdowns. I don’t know if it would even crack the top 10. I’ve crawled under the stage before, like on the first song, freaking out on LSD and then stayed under there until it was safe to come out twenty minutes later.

the way he sorta blows off these things is kinda telling

(xp) b&b is how a lot of teens discovered bands in those days... not everyone could stay up til midnight on sunday nights to watch 120 minutes.

at the time i thought it was nice of phish to show respect for ween through a cover, but today i would've been indifferent.

I mean Ween TOOK OFF and totally doubled their fan base in between album cycles (White Pepper -> Quebec) which has 100% to do with the Phish cover + the Internet

Which Ween song did Phish cover?

roses are free

When I saw them on the White Pepper tour they were playing House of Blues and then by Quebec they were a big jam-festival draw

have to admit that most of my affection for ween is based on those goofy, chaotic and pointedly lo-fi early albums, but they're better songwriters than they often get credit for. i'm not a real fan, but i can't deny that they've provided me with a fair amount of enjoyment over the years.

I like early Primus more than Ween. But as an objective outside, Ween has had the more solid career and string of great songs. Phish... I have nothing to say about them.

*outsideR

for some reason i went on wiki and found out that phish formed in 1983(!!)

voting for the only ones on the list that can actually write a song

xp: here is some perspective on how old phish is

http://forum.phish.net/thread.php?thread=1307527470

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Thank god.

::bass solo::

It kind of disturbs me now to think that these were probably three of my five favorite bands circa 1995. But Ween is probably the only that I've listened to and actually enjoyed in the last ten years.

Primus was def my favorite band ca. 1993-1999, but yeah, Ween holds up better

not everyone could stay up til midnight on sunday nights to watch 120 minutes

True but figuring out that I could sneak downstairs and watch it at low volume while sitting very close to the tv without waking my parents was a revelation.

Oh and Ween. I guess.

Just remember that phil lynott is coming for you

FIREY PUBES!

hey guys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PMke-iHoys

man i feel better about the times i've done this at karaoke now

The ghost of Keith Richards is gonna light Shakey's pubes on fire for posting that youtube.

so do phish fans just do that little bopping dance no matter what

it's called methfoot

They were doing it when I saw Phish back in '89, so I'm guessing yes.

Ween songs I like = Spirit of 76, Push Th Lil Daisies
Primus songs I like = Fisticuffs

Never liked anything Ive heard from Phish. They did a passable cover of 'Gold Sound' though

I've also never heard a Thin Lizzy record despite tons of seeming to love them and telling me I need to. I guess based on the three songs I have heard I don't get what differentiates them from hordes of other 70s classic rock staples - not this is bad, just nothing I've sought out.

Ween live in 1997 was one my favorite shows ever; the first Phish show I saw was at a small theater in 93 and was great but the next three were in progressively bigger venues and got worse every time, partly due to being surrounded by more and more Phish fans.

That said if they happened to play near me this past summer I totally would have gone, fuck the haters.

phuck the haters, you mean

I don't get what differentiates them from hordes of other 70s classic rock staples

there are at least a handful of really obvious surface-level things

If any of these bands resemble the Zappaesque dilemma of amazing musicianship vs. shut the hell up, it's probably Primus, isn't it?

yeah pretty much. "i woodshedded for 8 years straight to play this passage, now listen to me recite a dirty limerick over it"

les claypool and trey ananstasio had that weird band for a minute

That was Oysterhead, with Stewart Copeland! I liked that disc quite a bit, mostly because you get to hear Copeland playing in a rock band again.

can you imagine how lopsided this poll would be if it was The Police instead of Ween. if it was The Police AND Ween, however, i don't trust you bastards not to do the unthinkable.

there are at least a handful of really obvious surface-level things

I realize that they are an Irish band fronted by a black guy which makes them obviously different from, say, Skynrd, but musically what am I missing that makes Jailbreak or The Boys Are Back In Town that much different from all the Seger / BTO / BOC / REO / Aerosmith / Eagles stuff that I heard on the same stations growing up? Enough that a number of different people have passionately talked to me about them being great, people who wouldn't do the same for any of the other bands I listed?

This has inspired me to finally listen to a Thin Lizzy record - which one?

Jailbreak

touch of Van Morrison from this early cut.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2nuqdnbxYs

There is nothing wrong with starting with Jailbreak. I honestly haven't heard any BTO or REO albums, but would listen if there was a good one with great deep cuts. Thin Lizzy isn't as inscrutable as BOC. Not as blooooooz as Aerosmith, but way bluesier than the Eagles. Good songwriting. Closest comparison I could think of would be Bruce Springsteen if he wasn't so damn "hey everybody look at me!"

FIGHTING ftw

i am bummed beyond belief at all the bands Lizzy's being lumped in with

the fucking EAGLES? Reo Speedwagon?

flaming acres of firey pubes itt

Listen to all of them from Nightlife to Black Rose, including Live And Dangerous. And as HOTS said these comparisons don't do them justice.

Those comparisons make sense if you've only heard the singles. All the TL albums I've heard have been pretty enjoyable and I think most people are surprised by how good they turned out to be.

can we make this a Thin Lizzy poll instead?

thin lizzy's great but christ they were a '70s rock staple and fit right in. a good one, with some Van Morrisony flourishes, but going "argh how you can you compare them to bob seger"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kslHr7_9Zac

EZ and I had a fun evening of schooling each other in the Outloud room a few months ago -- he played Thin Lizzy for me and I played Zappa for him.

i am bummed beyond belief at all the bands Lizzy's being lumped in with

the fucking EAGLES? Reo Speedwagon?

flaming acres of firey pubes itt

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, August 8, 2012 5:19 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

flaming acres of firey pubes had a couple good albums produced by zappa before they went full-on country rock iirc

xxpost da croupier I didn't say Bob Seger. I get that. I said Eagles/Speedwagon.

lol some dude

some pube

^^^^^^ a flaming acres bootleg that took on LISTEN TO THIS BRAD-level legendary status

Live and Dangerous is the one TL I've got. it's great.

i'm not sure how thin lizzy entered this thread but i enjoy ween's TL tribute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFbTbSsb6f0

musically what am I missing that makes Jailbreak or The Boys Are Back In Town that much different from all the Seger / BTO / BOC / REO / Aerosmith / Eagles stuff that I heard on the same stations growing up? Enough that a number of different people have passionately talked to me about them being great, people who wouldn't do the same for any of the other bands I listed?

― joygoat, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 2:06 PM (45 minutes ago)

thing is, that's a pretty varied bunch of bands. sure, thin lizzy were heavy 70s rockers, so they fit in pretty comfortably with others of that general ilk, but that isn't a good or bad thing in itself. they've got their own distinct personality and points of appeal (fine musicianship, memorable tunes, evocative lyrics and vocals). same goes for BOC and aerosmith, afaic, though you can have the rest.

first place i'd start with Thin Lizzy is Live at the High Voltage Festival 2011

but yeah on the real Lizzy is very unique because they were so multi-faceted and blessed with Lynott's voice, how many bands can recall Van Morrison or Springsteen at points and sound like proto-Iron Maiden at points? they straddle the line between metal and hard rock and just rock 'n roll and soul in a unique way....like for example, i'm listening to Live and Dangerous and they just went from a totally swinging stroll through the basically soul song "Dancing the Moonlight" with and extended sax solo from some dude in Graham fucking Parkers' band of all things, then the nexts thing is Massacre which sounds like the roots of NWOBHM

damn, that sounds almost as good as Ween

>:(

WheatusVEVO is killing btw

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

too many phish votes imo

anyway can I just say that, as a Ween fan who is intimately familiar with the oeuvre of Thin Lizzy...

this is a silly thread.

i bet u voted for phish

:)

And for the other 7 of you who voted Phish, don't forget to mosey on over to live phish where they've been giving away these "Live Bait" samplers of great performances from past tours. Because they've been selectively assembled, you aren't stuck worry about whether a show is going to be consistently good or whether Trey smoked crack before the second set.

congrats to Tenacious D on winning the poll

wow. I can't listen to this stuff. I think last year when I had that phish-revival, well maybe that was a "once-a-decade" kinda thing. yeee-ouch.