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PJ Harvey's '4 track demos' too; and then there's the fabled original Albini take of Nirvana's 'in utero' before Geffen alledgedly asked them to polish up and make a little less brutal & raw and just a touch radio friendly (-friendlier..), that no-one may or may not have actually heard (let alone the whole story of it being true and some 'original' version actually existing...) - but the whole possibility of what it may have been like at first is a nice idea..

OK, let's talk about music that may or may not exist. (You may also talk about music that is known to have existed in the past, but doesn't seem to exist any longer.) Like:

Buddy Bolden recordings.

Any Residents material recorded before 1969.

The Bob Mould/Paul Westerberg demo tape.

― Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 01:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Supposedly the Chemical Brothers' "The Private Psychedelic Reel" took its name from a bootleg album the Beatles recorded for their own personal acid-dropping usage.

― Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 25 September 2002 01:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I've seen it in Beatles tapetrader lists, BTW.

― Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 01:28 (twenty-three years ago)

The reams and reams of material Kevin Shields was rumoured to have produced (but not released) since Loveless..

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 04:15 (twenty-three years ago)

the long fabled "hendrix jams with miles" sessions.

― mike (ro)bott, Wednesday, 25 September 2002 04:25 (twenty-three years ago)

The hours and hours of Elvis outtakes Sam Philips recorded over so that he could reuse the tapes.

― Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 04:41 (twenty-three years ago)

haha by the above criteria all music before ca. 1880 officially does not exist!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 04:45 (twenty-three years ago)

well go on, tell us about it then.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 05:06 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't see how it 'officially' does not exist..

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 05:07 (twenty-three years ago)

all the master tapes for this time period were left on top of the car, i heard. scattered all over the road, and immediately rained upon. then they burst into flame. thank god somebody took notes!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 05:16 (twenty-three years ago)

i know you all mean RECORDINGS that may or may not exist; i'm just a little pedantic bitch

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 05:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I've always suspected that Nick Tosches made up Ming and Ling, the "Chinese hillbillies" that he writes abt in 'Unsung Heroes of Rock'n'Roll' - certainly never seen any of their recs for sale anywhere...

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 05:39 (twenty-three years ago)

"Any Residents material recorded before 1969"

As far as I'm aware, one of the main protagonists (if indeed there is more than one) would only have been in his very early teens in 1969....

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 08:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Lennon, McCartney and Elvis played around in a studio for a few hours together back in the mid 60s. Nobody knows what happened to the tapes.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 08:10 (twenty-three years ago)

How about all the dozens of albums worth of unreleased material that Paddy MacAloon (Prefab Sprout) is alleged to have stockpiled?

Titles (supposedly) include: Famous Fakes, June Parade, Total Snow, Zorro The Fox, Behind The Veil, Earth: The Story So Far, Billy Midnight / Knight In Armour, Let's Change The World With Music, Columbus Dreamed America, Meet The New Mozart, Doomed Poets Vol 1, Sleeping Rough, Enfant Terrble / I Trawl The Megahertz, 20th Century Magic....

I know I'd buy 'em!

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 08:21 (twenty-three years ago)

"Any Residents material recorded before 1969"

Ya'll probably know this, but the Cromagnon album "Cave Rock" released in 1969 was supposedly made by members of The Residents....

― Bean Spiller (Baxter Wingnut), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 08:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Dom, what's yr source for this Lennon/McCartney/Presley session pl? Cos this is what it says in the A-Z of Elvis: "The Fab Four visited Elvis at his home in Bel Air on August 27 1965, during their second U.S. tour. ...The five of them even had an impromptu vocal jam session, with Elvis playing drums, the piano, and showing Paul how he could play the intro to 'I Feel Fine' on bass guitar. One of the songs they tinkered with was Cilla Black's hit song 'You're My World'. According to one story, a tape recorder was turned on while the supergroup jammed (although in a 1987 interview in Creem magazine George Harrison denied that they were being taped.)"

AFAIK this is the only time that the Beatles and Elvis ever met.

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 08:57 (twenty-three years ago)

talking of the Residents, does "Not Available" actually exist?

― zebedee, Wednesday, 25 September 2002 08:58 (twenty-three years ago)

yah. but the story behind it is fake.

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 09:02 (twenty-three years ago)

in the Beatles 'Anthology' series, Paul, George and Ringo all say that although they went round to see Elvis, they didn't 'jam' at all, and they take the piss out of John for saying that they did.

― adam b (adam b), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 11:07 (twenty-three years ago)

The reams and reams of material Kevin Shields was rumoured to have produced (but not released) since Loveless..
I thought the new album was already done....and it'll be called About Bloody Time!

― Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 14:17 (twenty-three years ago)

doesn't lee mavers have hours worth of perfect pop down the back of his settee?

― michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 14:21 (twenty-three years ago)

That thing in the first post about the original version of Nirvana's In Utero is a bit odd - it's very well documented that there is an earlier mix, and that Geffen and eventually the band themselves were unhappy with it. Apparently someone released a bootleg of the original mix.

― Chriddof (Chriddof), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 14:45 (twenty-three years ago)

"Any Residents material recorded before 1969"
As far as I'm aware, one of the main protagonists (if indeed there is more than one) would only have been in his very early teens in 1969....

Well, if that's true, it would explain such early Rz titles as "Eat Me Mother" and "HoleLottaDick."

Most of their bios claim that they started playing together in 1966-1967, with a rumored live date in 1967. One of the tracks on dot.com (a recent outtakes album), "I Hear Ya Got Religion," is listed as being from 1969. That may not be true, but it's definatly pre-Santa Dog (1972).

Ya'll probably know this, but the Cromagnon album "Cave Rock" released in 1969 was supposedly made by members of The Residents....

No, that's the first time I've heard about it. Is that any evidence of that, or is it based on a Klattu-style "Well, if you squint at the lyric sheet for a while, you can just about see the similarities...."

― Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 14:51 (twenty-three years ago)

tracer I can one-up your pedantry: plenty of music pre-1880 was recorded (only it was recorded on pieces of paper)

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, it was also recorded on brain cells. The one problem with that was that brain cells tend to do odd things to music--you rarely get an perfect copy back from it. Of course, some people say that that's a good thing.

― Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 19:15 (twenty-three years ago)

''The one problem with that was that brain cells tend to do odd things to music--you rarely get an perfect copy back from it.''

I'm trying to think of a joke using the above and the words 'Grateful dead fans'. can anyone help?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 19:20 (twenty-three years ago)

The Pink Floyd building a table using miced power tools and then setting down for tea.

La Monte Young supposedly has tons of Theater of Eternal Music in his head...

― brg30 (brg30), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 20:51 (twenty-three years ago)

The Pink Floyd building a table using miced power tools and then setting down for tea.

This exists -- I have it. (It's parts 2 and 3 -- "Work" and "Tea Time" -- of their The Man and the Journey concept suite, which they only did live.)

What I, and many others, would like to hear is the album they began (but scrapped) that was to be composed entirely of sounds made by household objects and improvised instruments. So far as I know, that one's never gotten out, though bits of it (wineglass sounds) were used on "Shine On You Crazy Diamond".

― Phil (phil), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 21:13 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...

There's Lee Mavers stuff out there, recorded on the sly by the Crescent who were going to be his backing band.

― Was it something I said, Tuesday, 27 July 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Collaborations: An old issue of Record Collector Magazine states that around 1969 Captain Beefheart supposedly recorded an album with Howlin' Wolf, although "these recordings have yet to surface". I say nonsense, sounds like the kind of tall tale the Captain could've pulled out of his top hat (& often did.)

In "Stairway To Hell" Chuck Eddy alludes to some mythical album called "Heavy Funk", recorded in Detroit by Funkadelic and Iron Butterfly! Dunno where he heard about that one, but MAN, I'd love to hear it!

Those two surely don't exist. But what about the Rick James/Neil Young Mynah Birds? Did they ever actually release (or even record) anything?

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Speaking of the good Captain, what about the original version of "Bat Chain Puller"?

Checking the AMG listing for the Stranglers brings up an interesting unrecorded band: "...only Hugh Cornwall had any kind of recognizable historical pedigree, having played alongside Richard Thompson in the schoolboy band Emil & the Detectives. According to Thompson, their repertoire stretched from 'Smokestack Lightning' and the blues, through to 'old Kiki Dee B-sides,' while their gigging was largely confined to the Hornsey School of Art, where Thompson's sister was Social Secretary."

Cornwell & Thompson a couple of pretty dark individuals to be contained in one schoolboy band.

― briania (briania), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Another thread alludes to a collab. between Will Oldham and Sage Francis and MF Doom... unless that was a joke I didn't get...?

― Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

that pavement / USC marching band collaboration. the proper title eludes me, but it has the world "glory" in it.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Is there really a Will Oldham/Dave Berman album? That's what I hear.

― owen fairchild, Wednesday, 28 July 2004 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i read somewhere that mynah birds tapes were recently found in the motown vaults, they had been mislabeled. don't know if it's true...

― La Monte (La Monte), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

From what I remember reading about this, hardly anything was recorded, so I can't imagine it amounting to much...

― wetmink (wetmink), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"Speaking of the good Captain, what about the original version of "Bat Chain Puller"?"

definitely exists - there are plenty of tapes and at least two different CD bootlegs about: this one in particular seems to have slipped through some sort of net and is currently available from all sorts of respectable stores that you wouldn't normally expect to be selling bootlegs - nonetheless, a bootleg it most assuredly is!

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Prince not supposed to have dozens of albums locked in a vault, along with documentaries etc, which he has no intention of ever letting anyone else hear or see?

― coco, Wednesday, 28 July 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Xpost WHOO! Thanks, Stewart -- just the thought of getting that "Dust Sucker" thing is making my day!

― briania (briania), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

The new Bark Psychosis, apparently (*fff*).

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

well. i have my one obsession to plug again in this thread: Age of Chance .. they had app recorded their second album with Steves vocals on it, then when he Left the band they had to wipe his vocals and redo with Seal copyist Charlie Hutchinson (where for art thou sir) .. so .. where are the tapes for the Mecca album with Steven E's vocals, are they still buried deep in Virgins vaults. i realise few will care .. but i for one would love to hear his non-melodic grit over the soul-pop groove that they were playing with at the time.

― mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually spotted what was supposed to be Albini's In Utero on slsk once, but I couldn't be arsed to download it.

― Simon H., Wednesday, 28 July 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

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